Time for Ottens to nail it !

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Any one ever have the feeling of , here we go again.

This morning's press brings us a new article on our boy Brad. How he has had tormentious 12 months , injury after injury , the public defence by Bomber , his form good and bad .... and of course comment follows comment, this morning's SEN showed had the Ottens theme warming the phonelines with some amazingly negative comments comming from either Anti Ottens or Pro Richmond. Traitor one said, dud said another. Such illumination, such insight. Hark , can I hear the keyboard keys all-ready a tapping on the Richmond board, who knows it would not suprise.

The point they all seem to miss is that we dont expect a gun 100 goal effort from him, probaly not even 50. If we could get 20 games with 40/45 goals, Id be super happy with his total scoring output, although id love for him to get a couple bags somewhere. While he continues to contribute these direct goals he will also have a big say in how well others in the forwardline get treated. Nathan will be so much better with Ottens to take the biggest guy. KK will better for both of them in the side. He can also do damage and increase our ability in the middle, he should enable us to protect King while not diminshing our neutral ball output. In fact he showed he is capable of being our best tap ruckmen if and this the question, if he stays fit!

In a way , I have to wonder if big Brad calls some of it on himself ,he certainly is a package that looks like he is so talanted and looks like he is so very lackadaisical. Probably a bit unfair really,its just his style. like many players in the past when going well they look like its easy, when going bad the look careless.

At 26 , he is probably as good as he is going to get , he is at right club for chances of the highest calibre, he has the talent to make name for himself on the biggest stage,he has the support on and off the field, its all there all he has to do get the hammer out and nail it. No more blah bad luck stories , no more sacherine bylines, no achey-breaky whatevers he must simply do it or he will be remembered as so many remember players like Rene Kink,Sam Kekervich, Phil Carmen and other players of this ilk ,as wasters of talent.

Its time to make other teams worry about his talent. Its time to step up and consistantly effect the result of games, and he knows it. The trick is being able to do it

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,17964163%5E19742,00.html
 

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Turbocat said:
this morning's SEN showed had the Ottens theme warming the phonelines with some amazingly negative comments comming from either Anti Ottens or Pro Richmond. Traitor one said, dud said another. Such illumination, such insight. Hark , can I hear the keyboard keys all-ready a tapping on the Richmond board, who knows it would not suprise.
So Richmond bandwagoners used their "one phone call a week" to ring up SEN.I'm sure most calls would've come for Port Phillip or Loddon Prisons. :p

Really,who gives a fat rats what muppets that ring up radio stations think ?
Richmond supporters can bitch all they like [and they will].They don't seem to have a problem with Nathan Brown playing for them.
 

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Good post Turbocat.

Everyone assumed we wanted a 60+ goal and 30+ hitout return per game from him when in reality is was exactly as you said. 30-50 goals and give Kingy a hand in the ruck was all most would have liked. Unfortunately for one reason or another we didn't get that but when Otto was performing well so was the team. It was no coincidence.

By reports he's training nicely, which of course means SFA at this stage but if he can remain fit for most of the year (this will also depend on Kingy's fitness and form as well) then he'll have a great year, I'm sure of it.
 

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So Richmond bandwagoners used their "one phone call a week" to ring up SEN.I'm sure most calls would've come for Port Phillip or Loddon Prisons. :p

Really,who gives a fat rats what muppets that ring up radio stations think ?
Richmond supporters can bitch all they like [and they will].They don't seem to have a problem with Nathan Brown playing for them.
I agree that I care little but at a point it grates. Nearly every Richmond supporter I talk to feels as though its their job to sick the knive in. Last year when Ottens was coping it, the whole thing seem to feed on itself. They forget the players that they gained , they remember that he left them.
And some how Richmond seem to get more noise in the media , very little is said about Brown in the way it was Ottens and yet what has he done?
 
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I agree that I care little but at a point it grates. Nearly every Richmond supporter I talk to feels as though its their job to sick the knive in. Last year when Ottens was coping it, the whole thing seem to feed on itself. They forget the players that they gained , they remember that he left them.
And some how Richmond seem to get more noise in the media , very little is said about Brown in the way it was Ottens and yet what has he done?
Who did they get anyway???:confused:
 

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Tigers got Meyer and Pattison
Correct , they had picks 12 and 16.Good picks that gave them the chance to pick good young players. Now its probably too early for most at this stage but the little I have seen of Pattison he looks a promising KPP player , maybe in the H mould. Meyer is more of flanker , a light weight mid similar to the ones TW picked when he was at the Dogs. Will be good given time.
 

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Any one ever have the feeling of , here we go again.

This morning's press brings us a new article on our boy Brad. How he has had tormentious 12 months , injury after injury , the public defence by Bomber , his form good and bad .... and of course comment follows comment, this morning's SEN showed had the Ottens theme warming the phonelines with some amazingly negative comments comming from either Anti Ottens or Pro Richmond. Traitor one said, dud said another. Such illumination, such insight. Hark , can I hear the keyboard keys all-ready a tapping on the Richmond board, who knows it would not suprise.

The point they all seem to miss is that we dont expect a gun 100 goal effort from him, probaly not even 50. If we could get 20 games with 40/45 goals, Id be super happy with his total scoring output, although id love for him to get a couple bags somewhere. While he continues to contribute these direct goals he will also have a big say in how well others in the forwardline get treated. Nathan will be so much better with Ottens to take the biggest guy. KK will better for both of them in the side. He can also do damage and increase our ability in the middle, he should enable us to protect King while not diminshing our neutral ball output. In fact he showed he is capable of being our best tap ruckmen if and this the question, if he stays fit!

In a way , I have to wonder if big Brad calls some of it on himself ,he certainly is a package that looks like he is so talanted and looks like he is so very lackadaisical. Probably a bit unfair really,its just his style. like many players in the past when going well they look like its easy, when going bad the look careless.

At 26 , he is probably as good as he is going to get , he is at right club for chances of the highest calibre, he has the talent to make name for himself on the biggest stage,he has the support on and off the field, its all there all he has to do get the hammer out and nail it. No more blah bad luck stories , no more sacherine bylines, no achey-breaky whatevers he must simply do it or he will be remembered as so many remember players like Rene Kink,Sam Kekervich, Phil Carmen and other players of this ilk ,as wasters of talent.

Its time to make other teams worry about his talent. Its time to step up and consistantly effect the result of games, and he knows it. The trick is being able to do it

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,17964163%5E19742,00.html
Turbocat this is one of the better opinions on Brad Ottens I have seen. The frustration of us Richmond supporters is summed up in your first line. Ottens arrived at Richmond full of promise. Then at age 21 (2001) he had a great year and won AA selection. So we all thought that we had a champion on our hands. But through a combination of a series of injuries, bad form and playing in a crap team with a crap coach he never repeated that 2001 form. Nor did he come close. Sure he played the odd good game and showed his class but not on the consistent basis that was required from the susposedly number one player in the Richmond side.
But there is the difference between playing in a woeful team at Richmond over 2002/2004 and playing in your side. At Richmond he was expected to win us games single handed simply because we lacked others to help him. Your side contains more high class players and therefore your expectations of Ottens are lower.
Richmond fans frustrations with Ottens are two fold:
1- he never delivered on his 'potential' (excluding 2001). And every preseason he would say how well he was going and he was primed for a big year. And he didn't live up to his talk.
2- he was paid big dollars based on his 'potential' and to be the match winner and he didn't deliver. So when his contract was up Richmond said we will pay you what we think you are worth. Richmond never said we didn't want him to stay and because we came last in 2004 we could have picked him up in the preseason draft and paid him the dollars we wanted to. Ottens thought he was worth more money and so the trade to Geelong was worked out. This is compared to Gasper who signed a reduced contract because his output over 2003/04 was below expectations.

Good luck to Geelong if he does finally deliver. At 26 he still has the 'potential' to be a star.
 

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Turbocat this is one of the better opinions on Brad Ottens I have seen. The frustration of us Richmond supporters is summed up in your first line. Ottens arrived at Richmond full of promise. Then at age 21 (2001) he had a great year and won AA selection. So we all thought that we had a champion on our hands. But through a combination of a series of injuries, bad form and playing in a crap team with a crap coach he never repeated that 2001 form. Nor did he come close. Sure he played the odd good game and showed his class but not on the consistent basis that was required from the susposedly number one player in the Richmond side.
But there is the difference between playing in a woeful team at Richmond over 2002/2004 and playing in your side. At Richmond he was expected to win us games single handed simply because we lacked others to help him. Your side contains more high class players and therefore your expectations of Ottens are lower.
Richmond fans frustrations with Ottens are two fold:
1- he never delivered on his 'potential' (excluding 2001). And every preseason he would say how well he was going and he was primed for a big year. And he didn't live up to his talk.
2- he was paid big dollars based on his 'potential' and to be the match winner and he didn't deliver. So when his contract was up Richmond said we will pay you what we think you are worth. Richmond never said we didn't want him to stay and because we came last in 2004 we could have picked him up in the preseason draft and paid him the dollars we wanted to. Ottens thought he was worth more money and so the trade to Geelong was worked out. This is compared to Gasper who signed a reduced contract because his output over 2003/04 was below expectations.

Good luck to Geelong if he does finally deliver. At 26 he still has the 'potential' to be a star.
Thats the most level headed response i have heard from a tiger supporter on here re the ottens issue.

Good work mate.

Hope Ottens can kick 40 goals in an un-interupted season next year. If he does, we will win the flag.
 

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Turbocat this is one of the better opinions on Brad Ottens I have seen. The frustration of us Richmond supporters is summed up in your first line. Ottens arrived at Richmond full of promise. Then at age 21 (2001) he had a great year and won AA selection. So we all thought that we had a champion on our hands. But through a combination of a series of injuries, bad form and playing in a crap team with a crap coach he never repeated that 2001 form. Nor did he come close. Sure he played the odd good game and showed his class but not on the consistent basis that was required from the susposedly number one player in the Richmond side.
But there is the difference between playing in a woeful team at Richmond over 2002/2004 and playing in your side. At Richmond he was expected to win us games single handed simply because we lacked others to help him. Your side contains more high class players and therefore your expectations of Ottens are lower.
Richmond fans frustrations with Ottens are two fold:
1- he never delivered on his 'potential' (excluding 2001). And every preseason he would say how well he was going and he was primed for a big year. And he didn't live up to his talk.
2- he was paid big dollars based on his 'potential' and to be the match winner and he didn't deliver. So when his contract was up Richmond said we will pay you what we think you are worth. Richmond never said we didn't want him to stay and because we came last in 2004 we could have picked him up in the preseason draft and paid him the dollars we wanted to. Ottens thought he was worth more money and so the trade to Geelong was worked out. This is compared to Gasper who signed a reduced contract because his output over 2003/04 was below expectations.

Good luck to Geelong if he does finally deliver. At 26 he still has the 'potential' to be a star.

When he was at his best he had Gale to help him in the ruck and Richo to help him up forward. After Gale left and Richo went through some lean years, he struggled. Hopefully with Kingy in the ruck and a combination of players up forward (probably Kingsley and Ablett with a host of talented smalls) he'll get the support he needs to be a quality player.

When Richmond were making the finals, Ottens was playing well. Geelong are making the finals now and Ottens put in a solid patch of footy throughout the middle of last year. I think he will make it.
 

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....Richmond fans frustrations with Ottens are two fold:
1- he never delivered on his 'potential' (excluding 2001). And every preseason he would say how well he was going and he was primed for a big year. And he didn't live up to his talk.
2- he was paid big dollars based on his 'potential' and to be the match winner and he didn't deliver. So when his contract was up Richmond said we will pay you what we think you are worth. Richmond never said we didn't want him to stay and because we came last in 2004 we could have picked him up in the preseason draft and paid him the dollars we wanted to. Ottens thought he was worth more money and so the trade to Geelong was worked out. This is compared to Gasper who signed a reduced contract because his output over 2003/04 was below expectations....
Thanks for the reasoned Richmond response.
One thing I think you have slightly wrong. If Ottens had nominated for the Pre-season he would also have nominated his pay rate and who ever picked him would have to meet this in their Cap. Out of contract players do have this extra leverage to get to their club of choice.
 

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Turbocat this is one of the better opinions on Brad Ottens I have seen. The frustration of us Richmond supporters i................................Good luck to Geelong if he does finally deliver. At 26 he still has the 'potential' to be a star.

Are you sure you are a Richmond supporter... a bit to much sense for the standard Black and yellow eg Tigers Girl..
 

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Good post Turbocat.

Everyone assumed we wanted a 60+ goal and 30+ hitout return per game from him when in reality is was exactly as you said. 30-50 goals and give Kingy a hand in the ruck was all most would have liked. Unfortunately for one reason or another we didn't get that but when Otto was performing well so was the team. It was no coincidence.

By reports he's training nicely, which of course means SFA at this stage but if he can remain fit for most of the year (this will also depend on Kingy's fitness and form as well) then he'll have a great year, I'm sure of it.
Well said!
 

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They don't seem to have a problem with Nathan Brown playing for them.
Not to mention the screaming hypocricy that came from their coach as they were poaching Symonds. In the end, it is all part of football. Good luck to Symonds, Browne and Ottens. But of the three, IMHO, Ottens has the most to offer the team he went to in terms of his potential, and their need.
 
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