Time for the Cold War to Re-commence!

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This time it's to be an Australian internal war - Labor -v- Liberals, with the neutrals (Family First sympathising with Liberals and Greens sympathising with Labor) making guerrilla tactics vital to winning.

As with the first Cold War, it can pervade all many levels of society. All athletes/swimmers, etc. no longer run for a club or a State, but for either Labor or Liberal! Debating at school is on the same lines with such topics as 'John Howard is a lying little Rodent' (who wouldn't want to be on the affirmative for this one!) and it will bring new challenges to school bullies who will be forced to change alliances and possibly support the nerds they once bashed.

Many more possibilities of course - University courses will be offered at either Labor or Liberal supported Universities (although the Liberal Uni's will only be offering $100k + courses!)

The mind boggles as to who would win!
 

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Um, were you alive during the Cold War?

Perhaps you should try a civil war for your analogy, although all round this is a very silly thread.
Hello, Earth to Dry Rot,

The Cold War didn't end until 1991, so yes, I was alive!

Clearly, history wasn't a strong subject for you at school!!
 

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Hello, Earth to Dry Rot,

The Cold War didn't end until 1991, so yes, I was alive!

Clearly, history wasn't a strong subject for you at school!!
That is such a Zoolander moment!!
 

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Hello, Earth to Dry Rot,

The Cold War didn't end until 1991, so yes, I was alive!

Clearly, history wasn't a strong subject for you at school!!
Dry Rot to earth,

Read some history.

You'll find that the real Cold War was at its height in the fifties and sixties. By the eighties, it was a pale facsimile of iteslf.
 

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Dry Rot to earth,

Read some history.

You'll find that the real Cold War was at its height in the fifties and sixties. By the eighties, it was a pale facsimile of iteslf.
Dry Rot,

The Cold War was 'active' throughout the period 1945 - 1989.

1. The Vietnam War continued until 1975 - Australians were still getting killed in Vietnam in the 70's - all in the name of fighting Communist aggression!

2. Both countries continued to spy on each other throughout the 70's and 80's.

3. Both Russia and the US backed opposite sides in the 1973 Arab-Israeli War;

4. In 1979, relations broke down when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. The US reacted by putting restrictions on Soviet trade, suspending the SALT2 Treaty (limiting missiles and bomber numbers!) and boycotting the 1980 Moscow Olympics.

5. 1980 - 85 was known as the 'New Cold War' when the Soviets replaced its older missiles with modern SS-20 missiles each with several warheads. The US countered by planning the 'Neutron' Bomb which could kill people with radiation without damaging buildings. In 1983, the US introduced 'Star Wars' Strategic Defence System (not the movie!) developing weapons in space - not something you'd do if there was not threat, Dry Rot!

6. President Reagan denounced the Soviets in this time as an 'Empire of Evil' (sounds familiar to George W and his comments) and backed it up with Cruise and Pershing Missiles equiped with nuclear warheads (about 10 000 of them) and the Soviets and Eastern Bloc countries boycotted the LA Olympics in 1984.

This is not even looking at the internal struggles in many of the Eastern Bloc countries including Poland where in the 1980's 'Solidarity' (a non-communist union) was set up under Lech Walesa to fight internal struggles and conditions.

So Dry Rot, you are clearly wrong again. If you want me to go to a History Book, I will, but it will only confirm what I have said here! Don't take on a history teacher, pal!! You can't win this one! You should re-visit the definition of the 'Cold War' and see, as with my initial post, it encompassed many elements of society.
 

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As with the first Cold War, it can pervade all many levels of society.
If you go back to your history books, you'll see that the "Cold War" you refer to here was more a product of the fifties and early sixties, with McCarthyism, Petrov trials, DLP split, the State Special Branches active against known communists, the notorious 1956 Olympics water polo match Hungry v USSR, defections, non-recognition of China, westerners travelling in Communist Bloc countries virtually prohibited, the Cuban misile crisis, nuke training films for US kids and citizens, the hooha over Wilfred Burchett and his passport etc.

I presume this what you were refering to in your original thread. As I posted before, the tail end of the Cold War while potentially dangerous, was a pale facsimile of these times.
 

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Dry Rot said:
If you go back to your history books, you'll see that the "Cold War" you refer to here was more a product of the fifties and early sixties, with McCarthyism, Petrov trials, DLP split, the State Special Branches active against known communists, the notorious 1956 Olympics water polo match Hungry v USSR, defections, non-recognition of China, westerners travelling in Communist Bloc countries virtually prohibited, the Cuban misile crisis, nuke training films for US kids and citizens, the hooha over Wilfred Burchett and his passport etc.

I presume this what you were refering to in your original thread. As I posted before, the tail end of the Cold War while potentially dangerous, was a pale facsimile of these times.
No, the Cold War I refer to is the Cold War all experts, historians, governments and individuals refer to (except you!) and all agree that it concluded between 1989 and 1991. All of the issues you mentioned above were factors as were many that you left out.

Remember even the name 'Cold War' suggests that it is not fought on the battlefield, but in many areas/levels of society.

Dry Rot, stop speaking ********e, if you're going to continue to argue that the Cold War was virtually over by the 1960's - please provide a link or historian to support your assertion, or please desist!
 

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Remember even the name 'Cold War' suggests that it is not fought on the battlefield, but in many areas/levels of society.
Quite - I was referring to your initial post which relates to the Cold War at its height across "many areas/levels of society", not at its conclusion.
 

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Quite - I was referring to your initial post which relates to the Cold War at its height across "many areas/levels of society", not at its conclusion.
So you're prepared to admit that you erred in your statement about the Cold War being virtually over at the end of the 1960's!
 

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This time it's to be an Australian internal war - Labor -v- Liberals, with the neutrals (Family First sympathising with Liberals and Greens sympathising with Labor) making guerrilla tactics vital to winning.

As with the first Cold War, it can pervade all many levels of society. All athletes/swimmers, etc. no longer run for a club or a State, but for either Labor or Liberal! Debating at school is on the same lines with such topics as 'John Howard is a lying little Rodent' (who wouldn't want to be on the affirmative for this one!) and it will bring new challenges to school bullies who will be forced to change alliances and possibly support the nerds they once bashed.

Many more possibilities of course - University courses will be offered at either Labor or Liberal supported Universities (although the Liberal Uni's will only be offering $100k + courses!)

The mind boggles as to who would win!

that is the biggest load of crap iver EVER read ... and ive read a lot of robbin hoods posts!!!! thats saying something!!!! :rolleyes:

how bout u go back to the whole u came from croc man ... seriously what sort of left wing ******** is this????

thankfully the labor party is in utter turmoil and will take years to repair the damage to it!!! latham will be gawn soon so ur leader mr 'i want to create a class divide' wont be around for you to jerk off over!!!

ur obviously not a very intellegent person btw!!! im at uni and unless ur planning to be an international fee paying student doing medicine or something then u dont have to think about 100k degrees!!! im doing commerce costs 5k p.a for 3 years, so with a 25% increase round 20k all up, paid back over a long period ... i think HECS is a great system!!! would u rather we had to pay upfront like America???? i think NOT :rolleyes:
 

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If you go back to your history books, you'll see that the "Cold War" you refer to here was more a product of the fifties and early sixties, with McCarthyism, Petrov trials, DLP split, the State Special Branches active against known communists, the notorious 1956 Olympics water polo match Hungry v USSR, defections, non-recognition of China, westerners travelling in Communist Bloc countries virtually prohibited, the Cuban misile crisis, nuke training films for US kids and citizens, the hooha over Wilfred Burchett and his passport etc.

I presume this what you were refering to in your original thread. As I posted before, the tail end of the Cold War while potentially dangerous, was a pale facsimile of these times.
your right ...

this was when it was at its peak ...

it did continue in 70's but 80's with various projects and treaties was less important ...

the cold war was at its height in 50's and 60's its a fact!!! dont worry the other guys a left wing moron.
 

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your right ...

this was when it was at its peak ...

it did continue in 70's but 80's with various projects and treaties was less important ...

the cold war was at its height in 50's and 60's its a fact!!! dont worry the other guys a left wing moron.
You still can't slam someone for saying that the cold war continued until late 80s though. It may have been less of a threat, but it is still a fact.
 

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You still can't slam someone for saying that the cold war continued until late 80s though. It may have been less of a threat, but it is still a fact.
yeah but saying they grew up in the 'true cold war era' isnt right!!!

i mean there was no cuban misile crisis or ne thing in the 80's was there ...

his threads a load of garbage ne way ...
 

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You still can't slam someone for saying that the cold war continued until late 80s though. It may have been less of a threat, but it is still a fact.
If you read the original post, ridiculous as it was, it spoke of some sort of Liberal v Labor "Cold War" in terms reminiscent of the height of the Cold War, not it's tail end. It wasn't an argument merely about precise start and end dates.
 

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yeah but saying they grew up in the 'true cold war era' isnt right!!!

i mean there was no cuban misile crisis or ne thing in the 80's was there ...
But he's a "history teacher" and therefore must be right.

BlueBoy83 said:
his threads a load of garbage ne way ...
Agreed. Waste of bandwidth as is his farmers one.
 

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BlueBoy83 said:
yeah but saying they grew up in the 'true cold war era' isnt right!!!

i mean there was no cuban misile crisis or ne thing in the 80's was there ...

his threads a load of garbage ne way ...
Do me a favour and look up a definition of the Cold War - you are looking at it as a conflict on the battlefield and it wasn't really this.

Please try and be proactive in your learning!
 

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yeah but saying they grew up in the 'true cold war era' isnt right!!!

i mean there was no cuban misile crisis or ne thing in the 80's was there ...

his threads a load of garbage ne way ...
What about the SS-20 and Cruise missile depoyment in 1983. There was an escalation of the arms race then - the cold war was just that "cold" - it cannot be characterised by how close it came to being "hot". I went through Berlin and Moscow in 1983 and I can assure you that to me it looked like the cold war was still going!

If you were born in 1983 (I assume that is what Blueboy83 means) then you would not know what it was like to go through that period - please sonny don't pontificate about something you have only read about in history books.
 

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What about the SS-20 and Cruise missile depoyment in 1983 there was an escalation of the arms race then - the cold war was just that "cold" - it cannot be characterised by how close it came to being "hot". I went through Berlin in 1983 and I can assure you that to me it looked like the cold war was still going!
I was there too in 1983. Presume you went to East Berlin and sounds like you went to other Eastern Bloc countries.

I went to Czechoslovakia, and travelled pretty freely.

Are you saying that we both would have similar experiences at the height of the Cold War in the fifties and sixties?

Also travelled totally freely in China in 1986 - would have been very different in 1966 or 1956.

Late Cold War, while potentially dagerous, was more just an arms race like before WW1. Earlier Cold War was far more a battle of hearts and minds such as that proposed at the start of this thread.
 
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