Time to allow clubs to trade away future draft picks

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It happens in the NBA and in all honesty I think its the best thing they do. We have followed them with our own form of free agency. Why not follow them on this notion? It helps get so many more trades done and it helps make them fair too.

Quite simply teams can trade away picks with conditions attached to them. For example Sydney could give Adelaide pick 22 + a first rounder in 2013 providing its not within the top 15 picks (if its below that then it rolls onto the next season/until Sydney have a first rounder outside of 15).

This would allow clubs in premiership mode to improve and it would allow clubs in rebuild mode to fastrack this process with even more picks. Collingwood are stuck with a litany of top 25 picks. If they had the chance im sure they would have taken a pick off Eagles from next years draft (1st rounder thats not under 15) and allowed themselves to bank one of the top 25 picks they have atm for another time

The current trade style is not only archaic, it is very one sided and it is more about one club screwing another then both improving. This change would go a long long LOOOONG way into changing this.
 

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It happens in the NBA and in all honesty I think its the best thing they do. We have followed them with our own form of free agency. Why not follow them on this notion? It helps get so many more trades done and it helps make them fair too.

Quite simply teams can trade away picks with conditions attached to them. For example Sydney could give Adelaide pick 22 + a first rounder in 2013 providing its not within the top 15 picks (if its below that then it rolls onto the next season/until Sydney have a first rounder outside of 15).

This would allow clubs in premiership mode to improve and it would allow clubs in rebuild mode to fastrack this process with even more picks. Collingwood are stuck with a litany of top 25 picks. If they had the chance im sure they would have taken a pick off Eagles from next years draft (1st rounder thats not under 15) and allowed themselves to bank one of the top 25 picks they have atm for another time

The current trade style is not only archaic, it is very one sided and it is more about one club screwing another then both improving. This change would go a long long LOOOONG way into changing this.
Agree with everything you said. Well worth the read.
 

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It's a good idea in principle, but we all know how tight the AFL are to making changes like this.

First, it'll have to get the backing from both the Coaches and Player's association. Then there will be a 'fact finding' mission to see how successful it has been in America. Then it will gradually be introduced, after something major happen to it in the future. Perhaps a major player wants a trade but then it falls through. There will be strict restrictions on it, and it'll be so strict that it's almost pointless having it.

Although it could happen, not going to within the next 3-5 years.
 

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Spot on the only reason the AFL hasn't done it yet is to protect clubs from themselves I guess
Almost every single rule involving the AFL is archaic and past its used by date. Its nothing to do with protecting clubs. Its just that no one higher up has the intelligence to look beyond moves they believe will increase revenue
 

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It's a good idea in principle, but we all know how tight the AFL are to making changes like this.

First, it'll have to get the backing from both the Coaches and Player's association. Then there will be a 'fact finding' mission to see how successful it has been in America. Then it will gradually be introduced, after something major happen to it in the future. Perhaps a major player wants a trade but then it falls through. There will be strict restrictions on it, and it'll be so strict that it's almost pointless having it.

Although it could happen, not going to within the next 3-5 years.
Players association would be doing proverbial cartwheels over such decision. It favors them greatly because it makes it so much easier for them to get a move to another club.

Not too many facts need finding. Its the centre piece of the NBA trading negotiations. The reason SO many trades happen in the NBA is because it is easy to create fair ones. Something we dont have in the AFL

No longer will a excuse "we dont have anything else to give" be true. If you look to the future you always have something to give. Clubs will have to negotiate more fairly then they do atm
 

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Players association would be doing proverbial cartwheels over such decision. It favors them greatly because it makes it so much easier for them to get a move to another club.

Not too many facts need finding. Its the centre piece of the NBA trading negotiations. The reason SO many trades happen in the NBA is because it is easy to create fair ones. Something we dont have in the AFL

No longer will a excuse "we dont have anything else to give" be true. If you look to the future you always have something to give. Clubs will have to negotiate more fairly then they do atm
Not denying anything of what you said, it's just that I'm predicting that's what will happen knowing what the AFL are like.
 

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Not denying anything of what you said, it's just that I'm predicting that's what will happen knowing what the AFL are like.
TBH I think they are too afraid of the draft order being arranged by anyone but them. We all have watched in the past few years the sheer desperation they have in altering the draft to suit them, this would effect the power they have,

IMO its up to the Players Association to stand up and push this rule through just like they did with free agency. Use Sharrod Wellingham and Kurt Tippett as your case examples
 

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The AFL trade period is the worst thing ive seen in any sporting organisation worldwide. I would recommend less changes to dog fighting then I would this shambolic 3 week period.
Your entitled to your opinion I'm entitled to mine. I enjoy the trade period you don't I'll leave it at that. Goodbye, I hope the AFL never do this.
 

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It's a good idea in principle, but we all know how tight the AFL are to making changes like this.


Given how the AFL just can't help themselves in changing the playing rules every year I can't see why they would be adverse to change such as this. Free agency is a big step off field so maybe we may well see so changes in trading picks.

Its a damn fine concept and one that would allow greater player movement to teams of their choice and also compensate clubs in losing good players if they leave prior to reaching free agency status
 

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i like it how everything is brought back to NBA, the worst comp in terms of inequality. why should everything be compared to nba? why not baseball and NFL where these things dont happen?

nba is trying to bring everything that goes on down to what nfl has and people want to go towards nba?

shouldnt be allowed in any case because there are enough players in a AFL team to be able to arrange a trade. The fact that clubs dont want to trade players for fear of getting it wrong doesnt mean future draft picks should be traded.

nba is different where all players are shite apart from one maybe two players per team. therefore when you have that one player and is being traded, future draft picks is the only way it can happen. especially considering nba drafts run maybe 3 picks deep. thats picks, not rounds.

you cant tell me sydney cant find a top 10-15 pick if they really wanted to for tippett. problem is teams want their cake and eat it too.

what they should allow is draft day trading. that would be sick!
 

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It really should be introduced.

And to try and make sure stupid clubs don't completely wreck their teams future, they can have the same rule as in the nba where you can't trade future first rounders two years in a row.
 

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i like it how everything is brought back to NBA, the worst comp in terms of inequality. why should everything be compared to nba? why not baseball and NFL where these things dont happen?

nba is trying to bring everything that goes on down to what nfl has and people want to go towards nba?

shouldnt be allowed in any case because there are enough players in a AFL team to be able to arrange a trade. The fact that clubs dont want to trade players for fear of getting it wrong doesnt mean future draft picks should be traded.

nba is different where all players are shite apart from one maybe two players per team. therefore when you have that one player and is being traded, future draft picks is the only way it can happen. especially considering nba drafts run maybe 3 picks deep. thats picks, not rounds.

you cant tell me sydney cant find a top 10-15 pick if they really wanted to for tippett. problem is teams want their cake and eat it too.

what they should allow is draft day trading. that would be sick!
Two bolded parts are key and why you cant compare the actual results of the trades themself. The rest is kind of irrelevant.
 

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you are kind of irrelevant.
Its true though. Trading a superstar into a 5 man team differs from a 22 man team. Hardly a shock

If there was enough players to be traded then why the hell are Sydney only offering Jesse White, and St Kilda only Jamie Cripps and so on and so forth. We have like 10 trades over 21 days. Clearly we do not have enough tradeable players

Sydney could find a pick between 10-15 from where and how? You really think they would prefer to give up Luke Parker then a pick next year? You really think Luke Parker would want to be traded to fit Kurt Tippetts needs? Doubt it.
 

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I remember watching an NHL draft a few years back, and a pick came up, 2 clubs spoke on the spot, and the pick was traded for "future consideration".....ie we'll figure out the details later.

This wasn't unusual.
 

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You really think they would prefer to give up Luke Parker then a pick next year? You really think Luke Parker would want to be traded to fit Kurt Tippetts needs? Doubt it.
thats exactly my point. the fact that they DONT WANT to give up parker doesnt equate to not being able to find currency. what they want is tippett for nothing. thats why the trade is difficult. i could name 10 players on sydneys list that could fetch 10-15. future draft picks is just asking for trouble.
 

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i like it how everything is brought back to NBA, the worst comp in terms of inequality. why should everything be compared to nba? why not baseball and NFL where these things dont happen?
I am pretty sure it happens in NFL. You can also 'trade down' on draft day if you think your player who you are going to select with that pick will be available with your next available pick. It makes the draft day pretty exciting.
 

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The reason the NBA is not equal is they don't have a hard salary cap.

You want a competitive league, let players move when they want (usually will be for more cash)
and have a hard cap. NFL is one of the most competive leagues, fluid movement of players and a hard salary cap.
 
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