Time to move Gold Coast suns to Tasmania.. Could we? Should we?

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Titans, United, Blaze, Bears, Suns.

Of course location is relevant.

The Gold Coast is a grave yard for professional sports clubs.

Junior participation is irrelevant. The numbers are bullshit. Auskick is seen as free child sitting.

If 'junior participation' numbers actually meant anything then pro Netballers would all be on $2 million a year.

The OP is spot on. Those shooting him down are just echoing the AFL company line. The Suns are a huge basket case and the AFL cant admit it made a huge mistake. This is the mistake of Demetriou who has proven to be a man of terrible judgment and zero integrity.

Of course the AFL is losing money up there.
Lucky the AFL didn't think the same of you lot and just give up eh?

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I hate how people equate on field performance with viability off field. How is the location of the Suns relevant to how terrible they are on the field? Would being in Tasmania have prevented Rory Thompson getting an ACL injury? Would each player magically become 10% better living in Tasmania?
I do wonder just how popular the Tassie Suns would be if they had 8 losing seasons in a row. Especially in a market where everyone already has a team.
 

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Titans, United, Blaze, Bears, Suns.

Of course location is relevant.

The Gold Coast is a grave yard for professional sports clubs.

Junior participation is irrelevant. The numbers are bullshit. Auskick is seen as free child sitting.

If 'junior participation' numbers actually meant anything then pro Netballers would all be on $2 million a year.

The OP is spot on. Those shooting him down are just echoing the AFL company line. The Suns are a huge basket case and the AFL cant admit it made a huge mistake. This is the mistake of Demetriou who has proven to be a man of terrible judgment and zero integrity.

Of course the AFL is losing money up there.
Well said.
 
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With no demand for an afl team in Gold Coast as has been evident from the lack of supporters and horrible performances from the actual club that seem out of touch with the rest if the league could we move them to a place where they would be wanted and rename them, or give the tassie team the option to take any gold Coast players they want, cut the rest and get rid of gold coast and introduce an new tassie side because the culture at the suns is so toxic and awful, and the on field performances so terrible.
The thing is that the crowds and profile relative to their actual success is actually pretty good they just have to start winning some bloody games. Living on the coast and traveling to Brisbane each day I get to compare cities and AFL on the coast is much more mainstream than Bronco city. If the suns made finals they would wipe the titans off the map. Also their facilities with the academy post comm games are state of the art
 
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Titans, United, Blaze, Bears, Suns.

Of course location is relevant.

The Gold Coast is a grave yard for professional sports clubs.

Junior participation is irrelevant. The numbers are bullshit. Auskick is seen as free child sitting.

If 'junior participation' numbers actually meant anything then pro Netballers would all be on $2 million a year.

The OP is spot on. Those shooting him down are just echoing the AFL company line. The Suns are a huge basket case and the AFL cant admit it made a huge mistake. This is the mistake of Andrew Demetriou who has proven to be a man of terrible judgment and zero integrity.

Of course the AFL is losing money up there.
Let's use an NBL club (if we used NBL team collapses as a yardstick, then no tier 1 or tier 2 city in Australia except Perth is allowed a professional sporting team) and an A-League club (Clive Palmer's team - not Gold Coast's team. Take note Australia United Party voters) to measure viability of an Australian Rules club. Why do people always think these are relevant comparisons?...

I don't know what point you are trying to make with the Titans. Their issues have more to do with stadium politics than support. They typically get middle of the table average crowds despite being consistently poor performers (they have reached the finals 3 times ever).

The BRISBANE Bears never made finals once while playing on the Gold Coast. How well do you think a brand new NRL start up in Geelong playing under the Melbourne moniker would do?

Last time your club had an extended run of poor performances (more than one year outside the finals), you were averaging less than 10,000 to games. This despite a population in Sydney of over 3.5 million at the time. Gold Coast Suns in their history have NEVER averaged below 10,000 spectators to a game over the season. (For reference - the Titans have also never averaged below 10,000 spectators). This is despite a population of around a sixth of the Sydney figure.

Looking at the Swans now, after 30 years of hard work, you can see the generational dividends it pays off. The Swans are the biggest professional sporting club in Sydney, and have been doing great things for growing the game in terms of both participation and professional awareness. The idea is the same for the Gold Coast. Everyone calling for their head every 2 months in a generational business investment is ridiculous, and highlights the (lack of) foresight of a lot of fans.

The Gold Coast city is expected to grow significantly over the next few decades. By laying the ground work early, the AFL is able to build awareness and generational support as this comes to be. For reference, the Gold Coast is expected to double in size to 2050, and will have roughly the same population as Adelaide today has.

The biggest challenge for the Suns is turning their club into an on-field success. Currently, their average position on the ladder at the end of the season is 16th across their history, with their highest ranking season reaching 12th. If the Suns can at least become competitive, it will likely have a significant impact on their off-field performance.

This is all unrelated to Tasmania, but the Suns and Tasmania having clubs are not mutually exclusive. I don't know why the football community seems to act like the Suns have to die for Tasmania to have a team. The merits of a Tasmanian team in their own right is a separate discussion, and death-riding the Suns should not be seen as being in the best interests of a Tasmanian club. (I would argue the opposite - if the AFL can find success in its current expansion clubs off the field, I think it is far more likely to look at rewarding heartland areas).
 

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This is all unrelated to Tasmania, but the Suns and Tasmania having clubs are not mutually exclusive. I don't know why the football community seems to act like the Suns have to die for Tasmania to have a team. The merits of a Tasmanian team in their own right is a separate discussion
I think everyone noticed a decline in level of play with 2 new teams draining the talent pool, and I fear what adding another team would do to weaken the strength of competition in the afl would do, so I kinda do see them as mutually exclusive. I think it would be negligent for the afl to have a Tasmanian team next season atm while the comp still tries to recover from the hasty decisions of predeccors to add 2 new teams in undesirable locations and draining the talent pool in the process giving us, the viewer , a lesser product. I think some vicco clubs need to go as well. They have too many teams for 1 state to support and reducing teams would increase the quality due to only the best players getting a spot on the list. F1 only has 20 drivers, imagine if they had 100 in every race. Do the other 80 need to be there?

It's about getting the right number of teams in the right locations for it to be a truly national comp, a D to make it fair in terms of how many times everyone plays everyone being equal, and location and travel being the same etc. And the afl don't share that vision clearly. They would rather keep it a semi professional league with almost half the teams in vic and have an uneven, unfair draw every year and give the players half the year to go get smashed overseas and get off their heads.

They're doing a good job of it.
 
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I think everyone noticed a decline in level of play with 2 new teams draining the talent pool, and I fear what adding another team would do to weaken the strength of competition in the afl would do, so I kinda do see them as mutually exclusive. I think it would be negligent for the afl to have a Tasmanian team next season atm while the comp still tries to recover from the hasty decisions of predeccors to add 2 new teams in undesirable locations and draining the talent pool in the process giving us, the viewer , a lesser product. I think some vicco clubs need to go as well. They have too many teams for 1 state to support and reducing teams would increase the quality due to only the best players getting a spot on the list. F1 only has 20 drivers, imagine if they had 100 in every race. Do the other 80 need to be there?

It's about getting the right number of teams in the right locations for it to be a truly national comp, a D to make it fair in terms of how many times everyone plays everyone being equal, and location and travel being the same etc. And the afl don't share that vision clearly. They would rather keep it a semi professional league with almost half the teams in vic and have an uneven, unfair draw every year and give the players half the year to go get smashed overseas and get off their heads.

They're doing a good job of it.
:thumbsu: Good rant. Almost unprecedented levels of irrationality.
 

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Gold Coast are here to stay, the future growth in revenue will come from NSW and Queensland so it was the logical play expanding our footprint in those markets.
 

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With no demand for an afl team in Gold Coast as has been evident from the lack of supporters and horrible performances from the actual club that seem out of touch with the rest if the league could we move them to a place where they would be wanted and rename them, or give the tassie team the option to take any gold Coast players they want, cut the rest and get rid of gold coast and introduce an new tassie side because the culture at the suns is so toxic and awful, and the on field performances so terrible.
No.

Whatever the 'outcome', don't try & flog some failed idea on us here in Tasmania. Enough of this rubbish about moving teams. They either stay/succeed or fail/die where they are.

The current AFL 'plan' for VFL/Mariners is a plan for nothing. Its just kicking the can down the road, again, again. Its about recruits for the AFL & spend less on the local community in Tasmania.

The real plan must be for the State Government to say thanks hawks & North, but theirs the front door, dont trip on the welcome mat on the way OUT. All the best for your own future.

We'll sink or swim without you. the next move will then be for the AFL to decide.
 

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No.

Whatever the 'outcome', don't try & flog some failed idea on us here in Tasmania. Enough of this rubbish about moving teams. They either stay/succeed or fail/die where they are.

The current AFL 'plan' for VFL/Mariners is a plan for nothing. Its just kicking the can down the road, again, again. Its about recruits for the AFL & spend less on the local community in Tasmania.

The real plan must be for the State Government to say thanks hawks & North, but theirs the front door, dont trip on the welcome mat on the way OUT. All the best for your own future.

We'll sink or swim without you. the next move will then be for the AFL to decide.

I reckon you're wrong

I would say the Mariners as integrated club with under 18s and VFL is the path to the AFL side - which is being signalled.
 

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With no demand for an afl team in Gold Coast as has been evident from the lack of supporters and horrible performances from the actual club that seem out of touch with the rest if the league could we move them to a place where they would be wanted and rename them, or give the tassie team the option to take any gold Coast players they want, cut the rest and get rid of gold coast and introduce an new tassie side because the culture at the suns is so toxic and awful, and the on field performances so terrible.
Silly comment and one without any vision for the future.

Leave Gold Coast where it is and keeping supporting the venture, it will work out in time.

As for Tasmania, a thorough review of their state leagues, junior leagues & feeder clubs should be done with a view to creating the infrastructure to field an AFL team on its own merit.

Chuck two teams into NZ (one on each island) plus new entities in the Illawarra, Sunshine Coast, Central Coast & Newcastle whilst reducing the number of clubs in Victoria by three (they could relocate to one of the new sites or merge).

22 clubs in total playing a 21-week season (they play each other once per season) with a Final 10 format at the end.

Simples !!!
 

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I reckon you're wrong

I would say the Mariners as integrated club with under 18s and VFL is the path to the AFL side - which is being signalled.
I hope I am.

Having watched this stuff for over 40 years, Listened & heard all the big wig plans & directions for football here, as well as what was said with the original VFL & marriners & the 2x state leagues & VFL/AFL clubs coming here, I await with baited breath.
 
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If the Suns can ever get their act together on field (which will take a few more years) they will be fine. They've actually attracted some decent crowds on the (few) occasions they've shown glimpses of competiveness. In addition, Australian Football has boomed at grassroots levels at the GC since their arrival. The latent support is already there - the locals just need a team on the field worthy of its support.
 
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