Opinion Time to play Kristian Jaksch

[Jimmae]

Hahhahahahaha

We would love for him to turn out like Riewoldt.

What absolute rubbish.

Really? Because at his peak, Riewoldt might have kicked 80 goals and given off another 20, but he was regularly wayward from how ragged he'd be from dragging his team over the line, and I'm not sure his scoring involvements would have been that impressive despite being directly involved in 4 goals a game.

2008 Finals:
QF: Riewoldt kicks 1.0, Saints kick 8.13
SF: Riewoldt kicks 5.0, Saints kick 17.4
PF: Riewoldt kicks 3.0, Saints kick 9.10

2009 Finals:
QF: Riewoldt kicks 5.1, Saints kick 12.8
PF: Riewoldt kicks 4.1, Saints kick 9.6
GF: Riewoldt kicks 1.1, Saints kick 9.14

2010 Finals:
QF: Riewoldt kicks 3.1, Saints kick 12.11
PF: Riewoldt kicks 3.3, Saints kick 13.10
GF: Riewoldt kicks 2.3, Saints kick 10.8
GF (replay): Riewoldt kicks 0.1, Saints kick 7.10

Nick's a model of consistency in terms of physical output, but never had enough agility and tricks to go with his raw athleticism to ever really make it as a star forward in the sense of a performance that opened things up for others. He just grinds out results.

Jacob has better foot skills, but he's otherwise quite similar. It's important that when the chips are down, we have other avenues and strategies into goal in the longer term. Weitering's a playmaker, not your star forward.

He should be playing CHB and CHF as the game dictates, not him constantly out of the square working an opponent over and having 50+% of the forward play directed through him. That makes it so easy for an opposition to shut you down.

 

[HARKER]

I just get the impression he isn't close to be selected. Gut feel is Bolts & Co think he is a long way off being an AFL player. Seems to be this years DVR

Far from it. Gorringe is this years DVR, not Jaksch.

Jaksch has taken a big step up from last year by way of body, attitude and effect.
Maybe some of us forget that he'll be playing this year out as a 22 year old and maybe he's just now settling into his new body.

Kristian may not have ticked all the boxes just yet, but gee, the signs have been good for him, so far this year.

 

[Arr0w]

Really? Because at his peak, Riewoldt might have kicked 80 goals and given off another 20, but he was regularly wayward from how ragged he'd be from dragging his team over the line, and I'm not sure his scoring involvements would have been that impressive despite being directly involved in 4 goals a game.

2008 Finals:
QF: Riewoldt kicks 1.0, Saints kick 8.13
SF: Riewoldt kicks 5.0, Saints kick 17.4
PF: Riewoldt kicks 3.0, Saints kick 9.10

2009 Finals:
QF: Riewoldt kicks 5.1, Saints kick 12.8
PF: Riewoldt kicks 4.1, Saints kick 9.6
GF: Riewoldt kicks 1.1, Saints kick 9.14

2010 Finals:
QF: Riewoldt kicks 3.1, Saints kick 12.11
PF: Riewoldt kicks 3.3, Saints kick 13.10
GF: Riewoldt kicks 2.3, Saints kick 10.8
GF (replay): Riewoldt kicks 0.1, Saints kick 7.10

Nick's a model of consistency in terms of physical output, but never had enough agility and tricks to go with his raw athleticism to ever really make it as a star forward in the sense of a performance that opened things up for others. He just grinds out results.

Jacob has better foot skills, but he's otherwise quite similar. It's important that when the chips are down, we have other avenues and strategies into goal in the longer term. Weitering's a playmaker, not your star forward.

He should be playing CHB and CHF as the game dictates, not him constantly out of the square working an opponent over and having 50+% of the forward play directed through him. That makes it so easy for an opposition to shut you down.

Jimmae, I see the point you are trying to make, although Riewoldt is closing in on the games "Marks" record, has kicked over 700 goals and can play multiple positions/roles. I for one, would be extremely happy if Weitering's career was not that dissimilar.

 

[Soapy V]

Far from it. Gorringe is this years DVR, not Jaksch.

Jaksch has taken a big step up from last year by way of body, attitude and effect.
Maybe some of us forget that he'll be playing this year out as a 22 year old and maybe he's just now settling into his new body.

Kristian may not have ticked all the boxes just yet, but gee, the signs have been good for him, so far this year.

I mean as in people on BigFooty talk him up and he never gets a game. I've seen Jaksch most of this year and whilst he has improved in a few areas I think he is long way off being AFL material. JMO

 

[HARKER]

I mean as in people on BigFooty talk him up and he never gets a game. I've seen Jaksch most of this year and whilst he has improved in a few areas I think he is long way off being AFL material. JMO

Fair enough. He does have some way to go but my understanding is that the coaches are happy with his progress.

Clearly has ability but this is his first year that he's come into the season with a footballers body.
Still has strength to build up, but we've seen some good glimpses of that in recent weeks and in particular the way he's grounded himself and used his body to out-mark opponents in the goal square.

 

[Jimmae]

Jimmae, I see the point you are trying to make, although Riewoldt is closing in on the games "Marks" record, has kicked over 700 goals and can play multiple positions/roles. I for one, would be extremely happy if Weitering's career was not that dissimilar.

That's all true, I just think he should have been swung into defence more in his career, and if Lyon and Thomas were smart enough to see the full extent of his talents in this way, they would have recruited another key forward instead of continually churning over mature options and discards.

I see his career as (partly) a waste because a task he could never fully accomplish was dumped on his shoulders. I mean his cousin is set to eclipse him as a goal scorer in at worst 50 less games despite playing in a statistically lesser team, that has repeatedly made a point of not making him that same 50+% target over the last 5 years.

Nick would lap Jack in most foot races, smash him in a 1v1 marking contest, and would probably beat him at every other position on the ground except FF, yet history might see them as basically the same if Richmond make it into the top 4 over the next few seasons.

Isn't that absurd?

Anyway, miles off the thread topic now, I just find it laughable when people suggest Nick Riewoldt isn't misused.

 

[Soapy V]

Fair enough. He does have some way to go but my understanding is that the coaches are happy with his progress.

Clearly has ability but this is his first year that he's come into the season with a footballers body.
Still has strength to build up, but we've seen some good glimpses of that in recent weeks and in particular the way he's grounded himself and used his body to out-mark opponents in the goal square.

Does some things that you think he could be good but they are few and far between. Nearly 23 and 5 years in the system he should be showing more. Hasn't even been an emergency and seems to be behind Casboult McKay Jones etc. Gets put into roles after these guys.

I'd be very happy if he stands up as he fills a vital role as we need that type. ATM I just don't see it

 

[Arr0w]

That's all true, I just think he should have been swung into defence more in his career, and if Lyon and Thomas were smart enough to see the full extent of his talents in this way, they would have recruited another key forward instead of continually churning over mature options and discards.

I see his career as (partly) a waste because a task he could never fully accomplish was dumped on his shoulders. I mean his cousin is set to eclipse him as a goal scorer in at worst 50 less games despite playing in a statistically lesser team, that has repeatedly made a point of not making him that same 50+% target over the last 5 years.

Nick would lap Jack in most foot races, smash him in a 1v1 marking contest, and would probably beat him at every other position on the ground except FF, yet history might see them as basically the same if Richmond make it into the top 4 over the next few seasons.

Isn't that absurd?

Anyway, miles off the thread topic now, I just find it laughable when people suggest Nick Riewoldt isn't misused.

You can't consider St.Kilda's inept strategy when discussing Riewoldt's football credentials and agility. If Riewoldt was part of a Hawthorn or Geelong over that period, people would judge him completely different

Agreed, miles off topic

 

[Jimmae]

You can't consider St.Kilda's inept strategy when discussing Riewoldt's football credentials and agility. If Riewoldt was part of a Hawthorn or Geelong over that period, people would judge him completely different

Agreed, miles off topic

I reckon he would have played swingman for those two teams, and perhaps even a third-man up in the midfield.

 

[chipzac]

This thread title should be changed to 'Time to Play Liam Jones'

 

[Dadda Dave]

This thread title should be changed to 'Time to Play Liam Jones'

Did Krisian play yesterday ?I haven't herd any reports on him ..

 

[Sector 7G]

Did Krisian play yesterday ?I haven't herd any reports on him ..

Was part of our four tall back set up. Did his job but Jones was the main force down there. White seemed to play the quarterback role setting up play

Thought they should have pushed him forward when we were kicking with the wind. Didn't get the chance to back up his good game forward last week.

Playing too many talls to develop them all properly.

 

[Blueyourmyboy!!]

Josh Fraser isn't helping the kid establish himself as a key fwd by playing in defence some weeks.
Hes been good and very promising in attack for the northern blues consistent ly hitting the scoreboard when in attack.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Josh Fraser isn't helping the kid establish himself as a key fwd by playing in defence some weeks.
Hes been good and very promising in attack for the northern blues consistent ly hitting the scoreboard when in attack.

McKay came back in this week and Kerr had a rest. I think Gorringe might have played forward too.
White, Jaksch and Macreadie a formidable NBs backline.
Jaksch behind too many I am afraid.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Was part of our four tall back set up. Did his job but Jones was the main force down there. White seemed to play the quarterback role setting up play

Thought they should have pushed him forward when we were kicking with the wind. Didn't get the chance to back up his good game forward last week.

Playing too many talls to develop them all properly.

Thanks heaps for that

 

[Blue By Blood]

Anyone else get the feeling that one of the conditions we've put on him to get a senior call up is to build an AFL players body? He seems to have bulked up a lot which the coaches would be happy with, but now he needs to lose a bit of the 'puppy fat' look and build some genuine condition so he can play with bulk but also cover the ground well. Seems a touch slower at the new weight.

Is doing everything right and is on the right track. It may have taken a couple of years too many but he's still young let's not forget that. Those suggesting he get delisted this year are way off the mark. There are older guys who should be moved on before him.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Anyone else get the feeling that one of the conditions we've put on him to get a senior call up is to build an AFL players body? He seems to have bulked up a lot which the coaches would be happy with, but now he needs to lose a bit of the 'puppy fat' look and build some genuine condition so he can play with bulk but also cover the ground well. Seems a touch slower at the new weight.

Is doing everything right and is on the right track. It may have taken a couple of years too many but he's still young let's not forget that. Those suggesting he get delisted this year are way off the mark. There are older guys who should be moved on before him.

Which tall players should be moved on before Jaksch? Gorringe? White? Jones?

 

[HARKER]

Was part of our four tall back set up. Did his job but Jones was the main force down there. White seemed to play the quarterback role setting up play
Thought they should have pushed him forward when we were kicking with the wind. Didn't get the chance to back up his good game forward last week.
Playing too many talls to develop them all properly.

Can't we give Gorringe an LTI.

This is true but only because we have 45 out of 46 players available right now. Can't plan for that.

 

[Azul]

Which tall players should be moved on before Jaksch? Gorringe? White? Jones?

Let's just say that all 4 will be gone and the focus for next year will be developing MacReadie, Kerr and McKay plus whichever promising tall we draft at pick 55ish.

White may have well played his last game after that kick to no one.

Can't we give Gorringe an LTI.

He's there for ruck depth only; no use getting upset when we haven't selected even one ruckman in the past decade in the national draft since Kreuzer.

 

[jackn]

McKay came back in this week and Kerr had a rest. I think Gorringe might have played forward too.
White, Jaksch and Macreadie a formidable NBs backline.
Jaksch behind too many I am afraid.

As good as it is having a reserves team winning consistently, the main goal should still be that of prepping players for the 1s. Jaksch should not be playing in defence when there will be no need for him there at afl, especially behind gorringe in the forward line.

 

[HARKER]

He's there for ruck depth only; no use getting upset when we haven't selected even one ruckman in the past decade in the national draft since Kreuzer.

He's not a ruck-man.

1. Kreuzer 2. Phillips 3. Casboult 4. Korchek 5. Rowe........Gorringe?

 

[Azul]

He's not a ruck-man.

1. Kreuzer 2. Phillips 3. Casboult 4. Korchek 5. Rowe........Gorringe?

He's 2m tall and 3rd in line were MK and AP unavailable.

You don't seriously think the selectors would go into an AFL match Cam Pedersen style with just Liam, Levi and Sam in ruck?

 

[GapInIkonPark]

He's not a ruck-man.

1. Kreuzer 2. Phillips 3. Casboult 4. Korchek 5. Rowe........Gorringe?

Gorringe rucked last year when both Kreuzer and Phillips were injured. This year we have played the one ruckman with Levi providing support. If Kreuzer doesn't play, I suspect Phillips does. If both a Kreuzer and Phillips don't play (both injured, etc.), I think Gorringe comes in. I would like to see us get a new ruckman at the end of this season to replace Gorringe.

I am not sure Korcheck will make it. Does not get much of it around the ground and not many of his hit outs are to advantage.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

As good as it is having a reserves team winning consistently, the main goal should still be that of prepping players for the 1s. Jaksch should not be playing in defence when there will be no need for him there at afl, especially behind gorringe in the forward line.

We are prepping McKay and Macreadie as far as talls go IMO. Kerr too.
Jaksch, Gorringe, Jones etc. fill VFL team needs and get Senior 22 spots if we have a number of injuries, suspensions, etc.

 

[HARKER]

He's 2m tall and 3rd in line were MK and AP unavailable.

You don't seriously think the selectors would go into an AFL match Cam Pedersen style with just Liam, Levi and Sam in ruck?

I sure do. Gorringe doesn't put his body on the line.
At this stage, we took a cheap chance on him and he's delivering zeroes.