Mystery Time travellers

[Andre]

Technically I thought that if it was caused by a 'big bang' then it would be expanding and therefore would have an edge/ end to it. But if we're saying that there already was a space and the big bang happened in space then it would be never ending???

You are trying to think about the expansion of the universe in terms of three dimensions. It's not a sphere expanding, the expansion is the 3 dimensional universe expanding with a 4th dimension. The analogy is blowing up a balloon. The surface of the balloon is 2 dimensions, it has no edges, yet as you blow it up it expands within a third dimension. The problem is obviously as inhabitants of a 3 dimensional space we can not envisage the equivalent 3 dimensional expansion. The maths is there though to show it. Not that I understand or want to look at the maths, just wrapping my head around the concept gives me a headache.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Well summed up.

 

[Quokka]

Timescape by Gregory Benford is a good book (fiction) on sending information back in time. It's 30 odd years old now so probably behind any current thinking but I always liked his take on it.

 

[Duritz]

I think there's a song in this. Something like this perhaps...? If I could turn back time... If I could find a way... I'd take back those words that hurt you - and you'd stay.

That's really catchy... I might go back in time to the 80's (it feels like an 80's song) and release it. Wish me luck!

 

[Hank Scorpion]

Idea for a prank:

Dress up in clothes from the 70's. Go up to someone in the mall/shopping centre, ask them what year it is.

When they say 2014, run around screaming "IT WORKED!"

 

[Duritz]

Idea for a prank:

Dress up in clothes from the 70's. Go up to someone in the mall/shopping centre, ask them what year it is.

When they say 2014, run around screaming "IT WORKED!"

That'd be such fun... I'd do that.

 

[emuboy]

Thats the last thing i would do.

Even if you survived the time travel which is the biggest problem imo, youd be all on to survive as youd stick out like dogs balls. Even if you didn't stand out go back far enough and even strangers in any area would get prodded if they were lucky, more likely beaten or killed

Did you ever see the episode of the 1980s British sitcom "The Young Ones" where they travelled back in time to medieval England?

A group of peasants saw the very much out-of-place Neil and gave chase, intending to bash him up and burn him at the stake for sorcery.

 

[Pessimistic]

Timescape by Gregory Benford is a good book (fiction) on sending information back in time. It's 30 odd years old now so probably behind any current thinking but I always liked his take on it.

Thanks for that. I looked at it and it seems they had the environmental need to get a message of doom back to 1968 from 1998

Only going by wikipedia appraisal but it seems they sent the message in morse presumably to be picked up by space listeners.
Peaple such as hawking hypothesise that backward time travel of any kind will need a purpose built reciever therefore it cannot go further back than the invention. This is another take using what they know was looking for unknown signals. I wonder if they tested the process first using a few minutes time lapse.

Also it says they calculated the astronomical co ordinates of the earth in 1968 and sent the signals there. Id me intersted that that coordinate system is, maybe not invented yet, from my reading of NASA techniques they use a trajectory of a space 'craft' or rocket and find ways to see whether its on track or not.

Also had me thinking that there is conspiracy that apollo missions saw something travelling alongside. future earth people trying to send communication back in time ?



Also much is made of the so called butterfly effect where time can be changed forever. Closer to home is that once complex messages can be sent backwards, even smallish amounts (minutes hours days or weeks) then the future peole can send back tuning information to the reciever so that the maginitude of time where comms are transferred can be progressively increased. Indeed , once a hypothesis is decided, the machine can be buildt with enough power resources and smarts to make many trials of technique, the future transmitter snding information back about what works and the reciever in the past adjusting the technique appropritaly.

Hypothetically a good enough system could take a breahthrough of even a nanosecond timeshift and then find ways to increase that incrementally

Has anyone heard or read anything along those lines ? If not id be intersted in making a speculative patent.


Even patent law is changed when actual time transmission occurs. If you have the first working patent, you can transmit any technology your competitors can create, even vastly superior to yours, back in time and lodge the patent before them. To do that youd keep your working time reciever secret to ensure theres a good buffer of time there

In fact if any private organization was smart enough to create this machine, theyd be smart enough to keep it absolutely secret for a few years to ensure no competitive technology couldnt even get close and youd have the patent advantage whoch they could never beat unless they found a recieverless system

 

[Pessimistic]

So theres been one time travel patent, supposedly from the future.

Once a second one gets lodged, I reckon its game on, especially if it appears in the patent register some time after the lodgement date



On a slightly different note, we are talking about real time in the real world. What about computer time in the computer modelled world ?

Imagine if sending messages back in time can happen reltively cheaply at sub atomic level for shortish time periods.

At the moment we have supercomputers which model scientific hypotheses, sometimes taking a long long time.
What if the computer curcuits could give feedback backwards in time. The results could be known much earlier and wasted computations down blind alleys could be cancelled. It would be enormous.
Im not thinking programming here but feedback loops within individual micro curcuits.

A machine would be so much more intelligent, more human like with what we call hunches, but still have its massive exact logic.

Whats to say human brains dont already do this ? Have feedback frmo thoughts before they are actually processed ?

Whats to say animals can also sense the future, albeit in amore instinctive than reasoning way ?

 

[Sashman2014]

If I could go back? I'd go back and drink the wine Jesus turned from water. Fair dinkum, that'd be some seriously bloody good wine.

Kind of on topic with time travel, but related to Jesus mainly, where is Lazarus today?

 

[Sydney Bloods]

pretty sure lazarus is in bondi junction.

 

[Sashman2014]

pretty sure lazarus is in bondi junction.

If old Lazarus invested the odd shekel in AD 1, compound interest/usury would have made him very wealthy 2013 years later. His legal firm would be a great cover for his longevity.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Kind of on topic with time travel, but related to Jesus mainly, where is Lazarus today?

He died. He was resurrected (assuming the biblical account to be true), but I don't think he was made immortal. He would have died again some time in the next few decades.

 

[Moonwatcher]

I ask though, in this form of time travel, what exactly do we have to gain

Put your money in a long term savings account then live your life in the future with lots of money.

 

[Pessimistic]

Better to patent the time travel technology. Imagine if all your money was still nominally in groats or wampums or whatever.

The greenback would only be about 200 yrs old

 

[Duritz]

You go back 100 years, invest your money, go forward 200 years from there, collect it, take that amount back. 200 years, invest it again, return forward 200 years, collect that, go back 200 years agian, invest that, go forward 200 years again and get killed by an implosion in the space time continuum.

 

[Quokka]

Knowing my luck I'd try to go back in time to set myself up like a king, take all the knowledge I needed to beat Davinci hands down for inventions and discoveries, plan and sort everything so that I could pull off being a guy from the times etc..... and then I'd step out, straight into the back of a noble, he'd spill his beer and I'd spend the next 40 years digging ditches.

 

[Pessimistic]

You go back 100 years, invest your money, go forward 200 years from there, collect it, take that amount back. 200 years, invest it again, return forward 200 years, collect that, go back 200 years agian, invest that, go forward 200 years again and get killed by an implosion in the space time continuum.

Would a bank back then accept currency from the future ?

Whats the oldest banknote you can lay your hands on

 

[Moonwatcher]

Dannnnnnnnnn was quoting somebody talking about forwards time travel only. I'm sure if you put your money in a bank changes of currency would be taken into account automatically.

 

[Pessimistic]

The problem comes when you take the notes back in time, from whenever

Anyway, you could make magnitudes more money wth information, even from a few minutes ahead

In fact your corporation could pretty much dictate the worlds finances if you got that technology. Forget turning up in a bank with some moth eared banknotes

 

[Duritz]

Would a bank back then accept currency from the future ?

Whats the oldest banknote you can lay your hands on

You just use paypal.

 

[Pessimistic]

You just use paypal.

Good luck witht he credit cards and passwords. Mines screwed up now

 

[Hank Scorpion]

You could just time travel back to the Californian/Victorian goldfields before colonisation, travel forward with it and make a boatload of cash from that.

Or steal the lottery numbers, bet on known outcomes, pay a pittance for masterpieces that were once "worthless."

You could go back to the 50's with a stash of Apple devices, flaunt them and sell them quickly before people realise you didn't sell them a charger .


If I were to go back in time (with paradoxes accounted for), I'd have a bit of fun in making money.

 

[Duritz]

You could go back to the 50's with a stash of Apple devices, flaunt them and sell them quickly before people realise you didn't sell them a charger .

That'd be the way.. forget the bank problems, just get the lotto numbers.

"I wish I could go back in time and put some money on the Cubbies!"

 

[Gibbke]

Just send me forward to Monday night so I can get all the scores, and then back to Friday...I can miss the working week, head on down to the TAB, and be in the West Indies on the beach by the following weekend...