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Cager Macleod said:
Not sure. We are both in a similar field of work so it's hard for the planet's to align at the moment lol

One thing I have learnt is dating is bloody hard work.
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It is, but it’s worth the effort when you meet “the one” :)
 
CheapCharlie said:
Asian women, example: Thailand or Taiwan will have profiles that focus on themselves, mentioning a few things they like to do...very general. Very rarely will they write in their profile they want a man who is X Y Z, and the age parameters are usually much more extended.
Asian women tend to know their market worth and are more realistic about and open about the dating market
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Back in the day I found a lot of Asian women who would jam in the - do you have a house question? in about the first 5 sentences.
 

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I don't understand the whole checklist thing. It's ridiculous.

I was in love with a guy for 4 years who it was never going to work out with because he had a checklist for a perfect woman 10 miles long and I could never live up to what he expected his woman to look like and act like.
 
Cager Macleod said:
I don't understand the whole checklist thing. It's ridiculous.

I was in love with a guy for 4 years who it was never going to work out with because he had a checklist for a perfect woman 10 miles long and I could never live up to what he expected his woman to look like and act like.
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1 - no hi viz?
2 - doesn't put out
3 - if 2 doesn't apply, cancel 1
 
iluvparis said:
1 - no hi viz?
2 - doesn't put out
3 - if 2 doesn't apply, cancel 1
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Who doesn't put out? Lol.

I'm currently going through a phase to be honest. Lol.
 
Cager Macleod said:
Who doesn't put out? Lol.

I'm currently going through a phase to be honest. Lol.
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I once dated a girl for TWO months who was of the non-sex before marriage/no protection lifestyle before the blue balls kicked in
 
iluvparis said:
I once dated a girl for TWO months who was of the non-sex before marriage/no protection lifestyle before the blue balls kicked in
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I gotta give you credit for lasting that long. I don't think i could date a guy who abstains for even a week lol.
 
CheapCharlie said:
In general terms...
Women in Australia tend to have long lists of their own accomplishments, goals they want to achieve and a list of items they expect from a man, physical, career, personal wise. (A lot should have a 30 point checklist and only speak to those who get 90% correct for them).
They'll often have a very narrow age range , maybe just a couple of years difference. If they have children they often write 'My children are my number on priority', so you can assume you will be second string from day one.
Generally, women over 30 have reached their peak desirability for the opposite sex and already and are on a downward trend looks and desirability wise, but their perfect partner ideal seems to increase with every year past that age.

Asian women, example: Thailand or Taiwan will have profiles that focus on themselves, mentioning a few things they like to do...very general. Very rarely will they write in their profile they want a man who is X Y Z, and the age parameters are usually much more extended.
Asian women tend to know their market worth and are more realistic about and open about the dating market
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Even the 'simple' ones of almost every list has:

1. 6 foot plus is ideal. Ok, there goes 60% of guys.
2. Works hard (Translated to be earns above average income). Goodbye over 50% of guys. No there's some truth that taller guys earn more, but just these two eliminated 75% of the male population.
3. Looks after themselves - not interested in guys that have let themselves go. More a killer for over 25's, under your body still will often let you get away with shit. Even at 25 you're nearing half of males overweight, get into those 30+ and getting more picky types and it's over half overweight.

Just these three have struck a line through 90% of the male population. This is even before must be good looking, intelligent, funny, along with simultaneously support me in my career and life choices, whilst finding time to lavish me with attention when I want it (just as long as it doesn't impact your ability to work hard and earn money or stay in shape). And of course don't ever criticise me, but 'if you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best'. Sorry, but real life isn't a rom-com where you're going to find the perfect guy (or girl).

I don't have a problem with lists as such. We all have (or had if already attached), some sort of 'must have's, want to have, meh, prefer not and red flag - run!'. What's changed is people (ok mostly women), have taken the valid point of 'you don't have to settle for second best', to construct lists that, if flipped around would see most of them eliminated before you got a third of the way down.

Not settling for crap, IMO, is good, but realistically means, if you did something like take your top 5 most important traits (be as shallow or deep as you want) in a partner and had someone else (not a BFF) who can be honest rate you, for a total score from 1-50, then you wouldn't be taking anyone more then a couple of points lower then you. These 10+ list women (and a few men), shoot for those way out of their league. I think it's fine to shoot high to begin with, that's always happened, the difference is today people then don't start winding back to someone realistic in a lot of cases. There's a big gap between finding 'Mr/Miss Perfect' and 'he/she is a drunken lout that lives at the local centrelink and would be a shit parent' that would make awesome partners for people, despite not being perfect, but seem to be invisible to large parts of the population these days.
 
iluvparis said:
I once dated a girl for TWO months who was of the non-sex before marriage/no protection lifestyle before the blue balls kicked in
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Once dated a girl who was of similar opinions. I lasted three months. Was a long three months.
 

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Andre said:
Even the 'simple' ones of almost every list has:

1. 6 foot plus is ideal. Ok, there goes 60% of guys.
2. Works hard (Translated to be earns above average income). Goodbye over 50% of guys. No there's some truth that taller guys earn more, but just these two eliminated 75% of the male population.
3. Looks after themselves - not interested in guys that have let themselves go. More a killer for over 25's, under your body still will often let you get away with shit. Even at 25 you're nearing half of males overweight, get into those 30+ and getting more picky types and it's over half overweight.

Just these three have struck a line through 90% of the male population. This is even before must be good looking, intelligent, funny, along with simultaneously support me in my career and life choices, whilst finding time to lavish me with attention when I want it (just as long as it doesn't impact your ability to work hard and earn money or stay in shape). And of course don't ever criticise me, but 'if you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best'. Sorry, but real life isn't a rom-com where you're going to find the perfect guy (or girl).

I don't have a problem with lists as such. We all have (or had if already attached), some sort of 'must have's, want to have, meh, prefer not and red flag - run!'. What's changed is people (ok mostly women), have taken the valid point of 'you don't have to settle for second best', to construct lists that, if flipped around would see most of them eliminated before you got a third of the way down.

Not settling for crap, IMO, is good, but realistically means, if you did something like take your top 5 most important traits (be as shallow or deep as you want) in a partner and had someone else (not a BFF) who can be honest rate you, for a total score from 1-50, then you wouldn't be taking anyone more then a couple of points lower then you. These 10+ list women (and a few men), shoot for those way out of their league. I think it's fine to shoot high to begin with, that's always happened, the difference is today people then don't start winding back to someone realistic in a lot of cases. There's a big gap between finding 'Mr/Miss Perfect' and 'he/she is a drunken lout that lives at the local centrelink and would be a shit parent' that would make awesome partners for people, despite not being perfect, but seem to be invisible to large parts of the population these days.
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I find Australian women tend to rank themselves higher than they are. Typically they believe they are 2-3 points out of 10 higher in looks and desirability than most guys would rate them. (because their friends have told them so!)
Not sure about the guys as i don't look at the profiles, it could be similar

We can broadly assume the top 20-30% of men and women have partners or can easily find a partner in a small amount of time.
So, the rest of us are in the bottom 70%.
This is not a fact most people want to admit to themselves

Asian women over 30 tend to identify their true market worth, which can be raised when they date foreigners. Traits foreigners find attractive , their home compatriots don't find desirable

Using Thailand as an example. It is so much easier dating professional women here (Managerial, medical, accountants) than Australia. You can date well outside your age and if you go down a relationship path, expectations can be managed much more easily.
For many of the women here they have their own money and a decent job, they just want a decent guy who they can hang out with and wont screw around behind their backs.

I started with no list, but over the years i have actually developed a list of loose points i look for, always flexible. The list is based more around stability than anything else
 
iluvparis said:
I once dated a girl for TWO months who was of the non-sex before marriage/no protection lifestyle before the blue balls kicked in
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A few dates and no sex, its time to move on
I've made the mistake myself a few times.
Recently broken hearted women wanting to be entertained or relive loneliness
Women who want to 'be sure' before *gasp* having sex
Women who want to make sure you are serious. Serious about what I don't know

If i really like a woman i'll do 3-4 dates. If its looking like no sex after that i just move on
 
CheapCharlie said:
I find Australian women tend to rank themselves higher than they are. Typically they believe they are 2-3 points out of 10 higher in looks and desirability than most guys would rate them. (because their friends have told them so!)
Not sure about the guys as i don't look at the profiles, it could be similar
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Not only this. In addition to the 'you go girl!' and rom-com reasons I've already stated, there's also a lot of exaggerated praise thrown the way of the 18-30 year olds via apps.

The more 'casual' the dating site / app, the more skewed the male / female ratio is. Get to tinder or adult friend finder or anything where it's primarily pitched for sex first, relationships a distant second (even if many women like to pretend the reverse so they don't feel 'slutty'. Bullshit as why can't they want just sex these days?) can skew anywhere up to 10 to 1 males to females. This distorts markedly what level each sex can aim at whilst young. If you've 100 guys that are a 9 or 10, but only 15 women for them, a 9 or 10 on the app / site then you've got a bunch of guys, that if you pulled a hundred random men and women together for a 'desperate & dateless' old fashioned ball, with equal numbers, are going to be moving down the 'rankings' to women that in the 'good old days' they wouldn't be going near. Add in guys 30 - 50 desperately trying to grab younger arse, praising 20 something women and they get a false impression.

Of course, later on when they are (generally) wanting those 30 - 50 year old guys their age, you've 1) the ratio isn't as skewed in their favour and 2) lots of those guys still desperately rather hit a '5' 20 year old then a '7' 35 year old. Lots of those 30+ don't adjust to the new reality, that they are no longer the centre of attention for more guys then they could throw a stick at.
 

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