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There's a whole bunch of cyclical scenarios that play out.

Guy makes effort with girl. Girl doesn't appreciate it. Guy stops making effort. Girl complains that guy makes no effort, is boring etc.

Guy dates girl with honourable intentions. Girl ditches guy when something better comes along. Then gets board with him, and the next one... Girl complains about shortage of guys.

Guy moves on to next girl, tries to **** her as soon as possible before she loses interest. Girl complains guys are only interested in sex.

I'm sure MEB will complain that I'm painting girls in a bad light only, but it's still guys that are expected to be the initiators for the most part.
I can totally hear what you are saying but the opposite is also true. I've had men act like they interested , ask you out and then suddenly become interested in someone else. It's annoying asf.
 
It's refreshing when a girl makes the first move. Rare but it does happen!
I was never worried about it, the worst a fella can do is say no. It's not really the end of the world. I guess women hear from men a lot that they like to do the 'chasing', but life's too short to sit around and wait to be chased. Sometimes the confidence worked in my favour, too.
 
There's a whole bunch of cyclical scenarios that play out.

Guy makes effort with girl. Girl doesn't appreciate it. Guy stops making effort. Girl complains that guy makes no effort, is boring etc.

Guy dates girl with honourable intentions. Girl ditches guy when something better comes along. Then gets board with him, and the next one... Girl complains about shortage of guys.

Guy moves on to next girl, tries to **** her as soon as possible before she loses interest. Girl complains guys are only interested in sex.

I'm sure MEB will complain that I'm painting girls in a bad light only, but it's still guys that are expected to be the initiators for the most part.
The first happened to me last year. Had a girl who'd I always go out of my way to see and was happy to hang out with her group of friends and we were pretty good for a few months but then she stopped talking to me and so I gave up. Then she asked why I stopped hanging out with her and I said because you stopped talking to me for some reason and then she got angry and said that I needed to make more of an effort. Pissed me off
 
I was never worried about it, the worst a fella can do is say no. It's not really the end of the world. I guess women hear from men a lot that they like to do the 'chasing', but life's too short to sit around and wait to be chased. Sometimes the confidence worked in my favour, too.

Nailed it. The worst is a 'no' and confidence is a winner. A lot of guys also struggle with this as they associate getting told no as a blow to their ego and as such would rather avoid asking altogether.
 

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I do get frustrated with my friends who are single but won't approach a man. I think it's ridiculous to sit around daintily, waiting for a man to assume you're interested.

I couldn't remember where the underscore went.:D

I can totally hear what you are saying but the opposite is also true. I've had men act like they interested , ask you out and then suddenly become interested in someone else. It's annoying asf.

By all means share examples from the other side of the equation. A one sided discussion is never interesting.

The first happened to me last year. Had a girl who'd I always go out of my way to see and was happy to hang out with her group of friends and we were pretty good for a few months but then she stopped talking to me and so I gave up. Then she asked why I stopped hanging out with her and I said because you stopped talking to me for some reason and then she got angry and said that I needed to make more of an effort. Pissed me off

Happens all too often. I don't understand women and never will (otherwise I'd be on my yacht in the French Riviera right now) but what annoys me is lack of common courtesy. It doesn't matter your gender, if you're invested time into getting to know someone (whether it's texting, calls, dates - whatever) it shouldn't be that much to ask to tell them if circumstances have changed.

Nailed it. The worst is a 'no' and confidence is a winner. A lot of guys also struggle with this as they associate getting told no as a blow to their ego and as such would rather avoid asking altogether.

A lot of men should harden up. 'No' is a word that the majority of people don't seem to have in their vocabulary.

'No' is refreshing. Dented pride maybe depending on the situation but not something that should be dwelled upon. It's the superficial bullshit and myriad of answers between yes and no that are the problem.

'Ummm, well I'd actually prefer that guy over there so if he asks me out then no, but if he doesn't then I guess you'll do, but then there's this guy at my work and he might ask me out so I want to keep my options open for that, but if I say yes to you than that will give me some confidence.....' is pretty hard for most people to articulate in response to a yes or no question.
 
Girls on tinder who flake have pretty much undoubtedly got a better offer.

Guys who pretend they wouldn't do different (ditch a say, 5/10 when an 8/10 asks them out) are lying. It's tinder, it's superficial.

Edit: I mean, you should text them first to let them know plans have changed, but why would you go through with plans with someone you're 'meh' about because you don't want to nuisance them when there's someone you're '**** yeah' about?
 
There's a whole bunch of cyclical scenarios that play out.

Guy makes effort with girl. Girl doesn't appreciate it. Guy stops making effort. Girl complains that guy makes no effort, is boring etc.

Guy dates girl with honourable intentions. Girl ditches guy when something better comes along. Then gets board with him, and the next one... Girl complains about shortage of guys.

Guy moves on to next girl, tries to **** her as soon as possible before she loses interest. Girl complains guys are only interested in sex.

I'm sure MEB will complain that I'm painting girls in a bad light only, but it's still guys that are expected to be the initiators for the most part.
When women say there is a s shortage of available men, it can be loosely translated to
" there are not enough Chads and too many Neil's"
There are always men available
 
Girls on tinder who flake have pretty much undoubtedly got a better offer.

Guys who pretend they wouldn't do different (ditch a say, 5/10 when an 8/10 asks them out) are lying. It's tinder, it's superficial.

Edit: I mean, you should text them first to let them know plans have changed, but why would you go through with plans with someone you're 'meh' about because you don't want to nuisance them when there's someone you're '**** yeah' about?
That was the issue with this girl. If I hadn't sent the courtesy text to confirm the date, I would've rocked up tomorrow and possibly nobody would've been there. I don't care if you've got a better offer, just show normal decency and let me know.
 
I'v watched two of my friends on tinder who would be 8/10s, every single guy they decided to swipe right on they matched with.
Surely that doesn't surprise you? It's why I barely even bother with girls way out of my league on there (if I've matched with them, of course I'll swipe right!), it's almost a guarantee they won't respond.
 
Surely that doesn't surprise you? It's why I barely even bother with girls way out of my league on there (if I've matched with them, of course I'll swipe right!), it's almost a guarantee they won't respond.

It doesn't at all.

And if I do match with a girl i'd consider out of my league, I assume they are a bot or a headcase.
 
Have recently broken up with my missus of nearly three years and decided to finally jump on board.

Have had plenty of decent matches, but I have been the sole initiator of conversation. Maybe it's because girls inherently get more matches on nearly every right-swipe?

Anyway I feel like that kid who gets the cool toy like a year after everyone is over it.

Have tee'd up a coffee date on the surf coast within about a week of having the app. Hi-5!
 
Have recently broken up with my missus of nearly three years and decided to finally jump on board.

Have had plenty of decent matches, but I have been the sole initiator of conversation. Maybe it's because girls inherently get more matches on nearly every right-swipe?

Anyway I feel like that kid who gets the cool toy like a year after everyone is over it.

Have tee'd up a coffee date on the surf coast within about a week of having the app. Hi-5!

Girls almost never initiate conversation. I'd say one percent of my matches have messaged me first.
 

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Also gave Bumble a whirl after reading this thread. About 25-30 girls then dry. I doubt it will catch on, and even if it does it'll be even harder than Tinder to get a match. Thirsty guys will be all over it because 'girls must message first' and then the ratio of dudes to chicks will be ridiculously skewed; moreso than regular dating apps. Decent idea, but in practice I doubt it will work.
 
That's why I hope Bumble takes off in Australia, has the potential to really change things up from the norm.

Just because they have to message first doesn't mean the app can force them to say something good

It's just a facade to get people to download their app
 
So I need advice from GD.

Matched with this chick on Tinder. Face okay, body hidden. Nice to chat with so I thought I'll proceed with caution for a little while. Ended up exchanging numbers and texting a bit which was all going well.

Eventually I get her Facebook and upon looking well yeah no thanks (to put it lightly). Trouble was at this stage I was on a drunken two week bender holiday which meant in my drunken state each night the conversation got a little hot. She's now clingy as **** and does the equivalent of the famous "pls respond" if I don't reply to a text within half an hour and is insistent we meet.

I've woken up to my mistakes and started to ease back using the excuse of work for not texting much but I don't know how to let her down without making her feel terrible.

How to proceed GD?
 

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"Dearest <insert girl's name>,

I must leave you.
Why? I cannot say.
Where? You cannot know.
How I will get there, I haven't decided yet.
But one thing I can tell you, any time I hear the wind blow it will whisper the name <insert girl's name>.

With a love that will echo through the ages,
<insert your name>."
 
"Dearest <insert girl's name>,

I must leave you.
Why? I cannot say.
Where? You cannot know.
How I will get there, I haven't decided yet.
But one thing I can tell you, any time I hear the wind blow it will whisper the name <insert girl's name>.

With a love that will echo through the ages,
<insert your name>."
PS I am gay
 
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