Play Nice Tippett Nominates Sydney - Part II

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Why would Noble say that today if there was a fair trade on offer?
Ah, so you don't actually know how each club has gone about their business. Is it not just as likely as that Adelaide are trying to get more because Sydney were willing to part with Johnston for Armstrong last year and they expect the same generosity this year? Why are Ireland's comments chest beating arrogance and Noble's the sign of a upfront negotiator? Why the difference into the reading in to the two statements?
 

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Ah, so you don't actually know how each club has gone about their business. Is it not just as likely as that Adelaide are trying to get more because Sydney were willing to part with Johnston for Armstrong last year and they expect the same generosity this year? Why are Ireland's comments chest beating arrogance and Noble's the sign of a upfront negotiator? Why the difference into the reading in to the two statements?
No that's fantasy and you know it, or you should. Do you think Rohan and 22 is a fair trade? If so and the Crows were offered that do you think we would be asking for more?
 

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Where did it say they were offered anything? Said remained confident the trade can be done...

He was probably asked would they speak to other clubs, yes if sydney trade falls through other suitors sounded out

Would they let kurt go to the psd if the deals not right..answer yes

Wheres it say they met today?
 

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Why is answering the question so hard? Why are you so willing to read in and tear down the statement of one but not the other?
We have one side starting the negotiations arrogant, a week later there's no trade and the other side says if we can't get one we are prepared to let him walk.

Now is Rohan and 22 a fair trade? What about Parker and 22? Grundy and 22?
 

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We have one side starting the negotiations arrogant
How is refuting a rumour that Mitchell was to be traded and saying he'd like to hold onto premiership players arrogant? I'll stop you before you say he didn't want to trade picks because he didn't say that.

In any case, you're still not answering the question. Why did you look so deeply into Ireland's words but are taking Noble's on face value?
 

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How is refuting a rumour that Mitchell was to be traded and saying he'd like to hold onto premiership players arrogant? I'll stop you before you say he didn't want to trade picks because he didn't say that.

In any case, you're still not answering the question. Why did you look so deeply into Ireland's words but are taking Noble's on face value?
Are you thick? Why would Noble even be talking about the PSD if negotitations were going well?

As for answering questions, I've asked for your comment on what a fair trade is a few times now. If you can't even define that why are we talking?
 

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Are you thick? Why would Noble even be talking about the PSD if negotitations were going well?
The point is that you could also read from his words that they may not be from the Crow's end and he's gambling on a public tough stance because they've conceded so much ground. When Ireland spoke there were plenty of interpretations on what he said and how it showed how badly Sydney were doing in the deal, yet this comes out and it's instantly taken at face value. I'm just wondering why that is.
 

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The point is that you could also read from his words that they may not be from the Crow's end and he's gambling on a public tough stance because they've conceded so much ground. When Ireland spoke there were plenty of interpretations on what he said and how it showed how badly Sydney were doing in the deal, yet this comes out and it's instantly taken at face value. I'm just wondering why that is.
If Ireland had conceded so much ground the deal would be done and Noble wouldn't have spoken today. That's fairly obvious and why what he has said has been taken at face value. Your interpretation doesn't make sense at all.

Now for the fourth time, what is a fair trade?
 

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If Ireland had conceded so much ground
It was obvious that sentence was referring to Noble because it referred to the Crow's and said "they" in the same sentence. What I think is a fair trade is irrelevant to what I'm talking about, I mentioned the words fair trade once and have since spoken about why the two statements are being examined so differently.
 

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Why is answering the question so hard? Why are you so willing to read in and tear down the statement of one but not the other?
Very simple. He made the statement and not 3 hours later he did a complete back flip.

What's happened is that tippett sold the handshake agreement and Ireland swallowed. From the point he became aware of the truth every action he has taken has been nothing more than damage control.

Tippett has caused a mess....its what he does.
 

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If Ireland had conceded so much ground the deal would be done and Noble wouldn't have spoken today. That's fairly obvious and why what he has said has been taken at face value. Your interpretation doesn't make sense at all.

Now for the fourth time, what is a fair trade?

Lets simplify

What are the actual confirmed facts of this trade that are undisputed fact, not what peopleread into or a source says

I will start

1. Tippett has said he will not sign with the crows
2. The swans and tippett have agreed to terms subject to trade and tippets manager says some agreement existed to tade tippett, the details of which are unknown but crows confirm is not in play and swans agree is not
3. The crows have said they will try to trade him to the swans
4. The crows and swans have met at least two times
5. Andrew ireland confirms tom mitchell is not available in trade
6. David noble confirms they are only talking to sydney so far
7. Both parties have stated confidence a trade can be done
8. Sydney are hopeful no flag players will go but refused to rule out for certain
9. Noble says he will look at offers from other clubs if the swans trade doesnt happen.
10. The crows say they will let tippett go for nothing n the psd rather than bringing tippett back

What other actual thngs do we know, we dont know offers we dont know what was on the table or who asked what or if others ar inolved or nythng else. We dont know if one party is fair or anything like that

For all we knw the trade is done , not sure how noble speaking equals negotiations bad, or any of the other crap we all have discussed
 

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Very simple. He made the statement and not 3 hours later he did a complete back flip.

What's happened is that tippett sold the handshake agreement and Ireland swallowed. From the point he became aware of the truth every action he has taken has been nothing more than damage control.

Tippett has caused a mess....its what he does.


No thats what you believed happened nothing more
 

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Well let's look at it this way. We've got one club trying to recruit a marquee player and doesnt want to give anything up for him versus the club losing the player wanting to be fairly compensated. If you can't spot the difference then it's no point in entering into a discussion with you.
That's a good point, why don't you stop discussing your ludicrous unjustified and improbable crap
 

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You may need to do a bit of research champ. Gnashing teeth over getting fair comp is true enough, but there was never much love for Kurt either from supporters or within the playing group.

Kurt is simply a mercenary who has ridden a very fortunate wave. He will bring some structure to your F50 but little else. You can bet he will create disharmony, people like him always do. No one is really sad to see the back of him.

So you might be enjoying those celebrations, but how about your players? It's already out that this has caused angst...and they're not silly, they will know how Kurt operates. Publicity of Mitchell being shopped around? Great for morale.

You see kurt is a narcissist .....his. type always create a mess and leave it for others to clean up.

All the best with him
And so you're saying he's worthless then?

Good, take your second round pick and be happy.

p.s. I love how Crows fans are desperate to create "disharmony" amongst Swans players over this, despite the fact that any and every report of Swans over the last 2 weeks concerning our players is how they're having such a great time AFTER WINNING THE FLAG. It's a wonderful "problem" to have at your club, I can tell you.
 

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Why would Noble say that today if there was a fair trade on offer?
Well this is a quote from someone on your board, who you guys believe have inside info

Guys this isn't spin. I have said all along crows have demanded Sydney make a top 5 pick happen.
Now you tell me who is being reasonable and unreasonable
 

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Well this is a quote from someone on your board, who you guys believe have inside info



Now you tell me who is being reasonable and unreasonable
You don't think that paying a top 5 pick for one of the top 5 highest paid players in the comp (which he will be) is unreasonable now do you?
 

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The bit i liked in article was: "He's worth what the market is prepared to pay," Noble said.

Paired with his other gem: "We've got rid of a bloke who doesn't want to be at the footy club; that's already a win." Crows list manager David Noble said.

So, you guys have already got a good trade. Pick 79? We'll still throw in Jesse White, just to keep our reputation as good traders. :thumbsu:

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the absolute vacuum of hard information is making blood pressure rise on both sides (supporters that is, not the clubs). this thread is getting more and more hysterical on both sides of the argument. nobody knows what's going on behind the scenes so nobody should be arguing ANYTHING with such certainty - its ridiculous.

take a chill pill folks and relax.
 

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To be honest, if Sydney can't offer a decent trade I'd prefer to throw him into the PSD. No point strengthening a rival side if your not going to get anything worthwhile out of it. Also sends a strong message to any other players planning to do the same. I know it sounds petty but I'd rather see my club die on its feet then live on its knees.
 

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the absolute vacuum of hard information is making blood pressure rise on both sides (supporters that is, not the clubs). this thread is getting more and more hysterical on both sides of the argument. nobody knows what's going on behind the scenes so nobody should be arguing ANYTHING with such certainty - its ridiculous.

take a chill pill folks and relax.
That there is a bunch of trolls in here that completely ignore reality of player value, cry foul of any statement made and try to twist it from something simple while using idiotic buzz words is why they argue.
Too dense to figure market value from offered money, compared with the rest of league, you get an obvious value that Jesse White or any of these other trades thrown up quite simply do not come close in equating to.
The suggestion that a top 5 pick is unreasonable is laughable, that top 5 pick as well as anything coupled with it is highly unlikely to equate to anything near equal value it's simply something Sydney are perhaps capable of delivering.

To come out and say your going to trade none of your best 22 for your soon to be highest paid player, expect to hold onto pretty much everyone bar players wanting to leave and possible delistees is incredibly ignorant and arrogant.
It's not really an argument it's though the statements come with reasoning, trolls aren't interested in reason so it is just declarations.
Can't think of a reason someone would lose their composure of that, writing words that seem excited doesn't require the excitement from the writer.
 
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