Play Nice Tippett Nominates Sydney - Part II

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yep it makes perfect sense to pay Tippett less next year when you've got room in your cap and have to compensate that by paying him more in latter years.
At $600-800k he is would be quite attractive to many clubs before the Swans in the draft.

Will need to put his salary above $1m to ensure he goes to the Swans.



I reckon our guys should drop the talks with Sydney for a day or so, get to work on some other deals. If Sydney are keen they will come a knocking.
 

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& Really is it that hard for both set of supporters to have a proper football discussion without thinly veiled insults and off topic rubbish? Trying to find actual information on this Tippett thread but having to shift through pages of it is tiresome.

I've always wondered with players going through the PSD how smart a decision it is to pick up players unwillingly. You wouldn't hire someone who doesn't want to work for you, surely the same logic applies here? Especially for such a team orientated sport.
If GWS don't take him I would be very suprised if a Melbourne club picks him up given he's already stated his preferred destinations, neither of which are in Victoria. I'd be disappointed if it came to that stage of the discussion though. Despite the bravado of Bigfooty posters with all their 'let him go to the PSD' or 'let's shop him around' it's a very short term view. Basic recruitment is you don't want someone who's not going to give it their all.

I would expect Adelaide to be more professional in overcoming their sense of betrayal. As Noble has said he's glad he got rid of someone who doesn't want to be there. The same applies for any of the other clubs, it's too big a risk for that kind of money. As I said, I hope it doesn't come to that and I have no doubt they will try and work something out.
 

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There is no information.

No one but the parties involved know what is happening.

The only news is that Tippett has selected the Swans as his club of choice, and both clubs must now work out a deal that pleases both clubs.
 

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At $600-800k he is would be quite attractive to many clubs before the Swans in the draft.

Will need to put his salary above $1m to ensure he goes to the Swans.



I reckon our guys should drop the talks with Sydney for a day or so, get to work on some other deals. If Sydney are keen they will come a knocking.
That isn't how trading works. Tippett has nominated a club, he can simply say no to any trade they try to arrange if its not with Sydney.
 

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We played GC, Port, GWS twice and WB once = 7 soft games

Keep making things up, it bodes you well
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yep it makes perfect sense to pay Tippett less next year when you've got room in your cap and have to compensate that by paying him more in latter years.
Contract can be worded any way they like, payments structured over the 4 years have to equal x at the end of 4 years. Don't know much about contracts do you
 

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That isn't how trading works. Tippett has nominated a club, he can simply say no to any trade they try to arrange if its not with Sydney.
Of course he can.

We then tell him we don't like Sydney's offer and if they dont come up with a better one we have no issue sending him to the National or PreSesaon draft where any club who is willing to pay his nominate salary can grab him. Noble simply wishes Kurt luck with that and Kurt sweats it out for another month or so.


This uncertainty may make him consider another destination, as he appears to be one guy who may not want to live in Melbourne with their cold winters. Can Sydney afford the caproom to nominate a salary next year that other clubs won match, ie around $1m for next year?
 

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Contract can be worded any way they like, payments structured over the 4 years have to equal x at the end of 4 years. Don't know much about contracts do you
Don't be a smart arse. Do you think Kurt would put a 4 year contract on his head? Very risky move, what if someone matches it? He could be tied to a club and location he doesn't want to be at for 4 years. Freo have been very quiet on this. They had the money to make big plays at Cloke and Goddard, I'm sure they would salivate at the chance to pick up Kurt during the PSD.
 

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Wish i had the acccess to contracts and finances of the clubs like you do ... :rolleyes:
It was a pretty simple question, does it make sense to back load a contract and keep salary cap space wasted in the early years?

You guys seem to be changing your stance on the options based on which argument you are trying to dig yourselves out of
 

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Plenty of clubs out there would be more than happy to accommodate a four year deal for Tip. Offers a lot of flexibility to restructure payments over the duration of his nominated contract.

Although are PSD contract nominations only over a maximum of Two years??


If Sydney want him in the PSD or National draft they will have to do what Collingwoond/Luke Ball did. A big contract over two years with minimum payments for the remainder.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-85000-man-20110405-1d31w.html


This is why Collingwood can retain so many players now, as he is basically on minimumwage now.



Ireland has already said that the Swans wont be paying Tippett big money next year, which indicates they do not have tha capspace for the 2013 season to put him out of reach of the other clubs in the PSD. I am sure Mick Malthouse would love him at Carlton. Or Lyons at Freo.
 

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Don't be a smart arse. Do you think Kurt would put a 4 year contract on his head? Very risky move, what if someone matches it? He could be tied to a club and location he doesn't want to be at for 4 years. Freo have been very quiet on this. They had the money to make big plays at Cloke and Goddard, I'm sure they would salivate at the chance to pick up Kurt during the PSD.
Had, yes they did. Would have been taken out of the equation with their acquisition of Pearce. Who would surely be on 300,000 +
 

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Had, yes they did. Would have been taken out of the equation with their acquisition of Pearce. Who would surely be on 300,000 +
Depends what the nominated salary is.

Can Sydney afford a salary that puts Tip out of the reach of every club before them in the draft?
 
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Wasn't it you that wanted everyone to chill out? Why are you now adding to the hysteria?
not at all. the trade period is finite. Sydney has made Tippett an offer but they haven't completed a trade for him. the ball is pretty much in their court. at some point they are going to have to pull the trigger and offer something Adelaide accept, or the trade won't happen. sorry for introducing facts into the saga. play on.
 

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It was a pretty simple question, does it make sense to back load a contract and keep salary cap space wasted in the early years?

You guys seem to be changing your stance on the options based on which argument you are trying to dig yourselves out of
You can't keep space, just the money
 

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not at all. the trade period is finite. Sydney has made Tippett an offer but they haven't completed a trade for him. the ball is pretty much in their court. at some point they are going to have to pull the trigger and offer something Adelaide accept, or the trade won't happen. sorry for introducing facts into the saga. play on.
Or it's time for Adelaide to realise tehy can't get blood out od a stone and accept what is on the table, whatever that is, either way, your original post was full of crap
 
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Or it's time for Adelaide to realise tehy can't get blood out od a stone and accept what is on the table, whatever that is, either way, your original post was full of crap
Rubbish. Adelaide doesn't have to do anything - they can trade with Sydney, try to trade with someone else, or not trade with anyone at all. Tippett is gone no matter what.
 

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Of course he can.

We then tell him we don't like Sydney's offer and if they dont come up with a better one we have no issue sending him to the National or PreSesaon draft where any club who is willing to pay his nominate salary can grab him. Noble simply wishes Kurt luck with that and Kurt sweats it out for another month or so.


This uncertainty may make him consider another destination, as he appears to be one guy who may not want to live in Melbourne with their cold winters. Can Sydney afford the caproom to nominate a salary next year that other clubs won match, ie around $1m for next year?
In your zeal to you failed to read my post. He CAN refuse a trade if it does not suit him, and THEN he can go into the PSD. I was talking exclusively about trading. A bit more focus please.
 

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Or it's time for Adelaide to realise tehy can't get blood out od a stone and accept what is on the table, whatever that is, either way, your original post was full of crap
Would rather lose him to the PSD than accept a low ball offer from Sydney just to get "something"

Its time to make a stand. But thats only if it comes to it. I have no doubt that Sydney (the club) are aware of what he's worth and they're having to talk to their players and see who wants to move to get the best pick possible (and needed) to get the deal done.

People on forums are just supporters who want the best for their clubs thats why there's the banter going back and forth

Even the journos can't report accurately on this matter atm. There is no news. Its simple. For now this thread will just be a slinging match until we have some real news from a real source. (Hutchy i'm not looking at you!)
 

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Rubbish. Adelaide doesn't have to do anything - they can trade with Sydney, try to trade with someone else, or not trade with anyone at all. Tippett is gone no matter what.
Get real you guys. Adelaide CANNOT trade him to a club he does NOT wish to go to. It's as simple as that. He MUST agree to a trade. PSD is obviously a different matter.
 

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not at all. the trade period is finite. Sydney has made Tippett an offer but they haven't completed a trade for him. the ball is pretty much in their court. at some point they are going to have to pull the trigger and offer something Adelaide accept, or the trade won't happen. sorry for introducing facts into the saga. play on.
Soon Adelaide will have to accept our offer or they'll get nothing
 

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If it was the case of adelaide accepting any offer just to make the trade happen, this saga would have ended last week.
I think the ball is in sydneys court. Obviously adelaide are prepared get rid of him no matter what, so whats holding it up?
 
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