Play Nice Tippett Nominates Sydney - Part II

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You mention Tippett being dumb to do certain things. Carlton would be dumb to devote big money across 4 years for a player that doesn't want to be in Victoria. And that's if they even have the space. Backloaded or not they'd have to pay him a lot in 2013 and there is no guarantee they have that.
Being after both Cloke and Goddard would suggest they do. Fevola was on a huge contract at Carlton, and they haven't recruited anybody who would command a large salary since his departure, and the salary cap has only increased since. This being Carlton we're talking about, you can bet they were front ending current contracts to make sure they had a large chunk of space available for free-agency.


Assuming it goes to the PSD, how many teams have taken part in PSDs in the last few years?

How many PSD's in the last few years (or ever) have included a player like Kurt Tippett?
 

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The only team I could see ruining the Swans party in the National draft is the Dogs at pick 21.

I don't think anyone would be willing to take the risk of him being unhappy and under performing with a mid teens pick. The Dogs will still have picks 5 and 6 to focus on should Tippett quit after one season.

That Lake trade might look pretty good after all.....
 

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Gee the syd fans are becoming arrogant in this thread, don't blame Adel for wanting to dump tippet into the PSD.

Hopefully Tippet goes to a club he doesn't want to go to and it'll teach him and Syd a lessn for trying to screw over Adel.
Hardly. It's not arrogance if Adelaide supporters keep dismissing our list and we want to defend that.
If Adelaide choose to go down that PSD path (which I doubt) then I would be disappointed if Sydney had done the same in their position. I'd expect the professionalism from a football club to not override common sense with emotions. It's not really much of a point they'd make if Tippett was to eventually join Sydney via the PSD whilst Adelaide had the opportunity to at least gain a first round pick + player (or whatever the deal is.) If he does go down the PSD and doesn't get picked by Sydney, then they still lose, but don't strengthen a current premiership contender. Either way, neither of the options are as beneficial as a pick/picks and a player.
I also don't understand where we are trying to 'screw over' them. No one on this site has any factual evidence what Sydney have offered, and the only thing Sydney have done is spoken to a promising KPF who has stated he wants out of Adelaide and to go home after fulfilling his contractual obligations. I'd expect any club to continuously better their position and you'd be silly to think other clubs' haven't contacted him prior to his statement he wants to join Sydney.
The implication I have drawn from the statements from the clubs' are that both party are attempting to work towards a fair deal so I don't know where your Sydney are screwing Adelaide line is coming from.
Adelaide supporters have a right to be disappointed with Tippett because if it was Reid for example I'd feel the same way. Nevertheless if he fulfilled his contract and wanted out of Sydney, whether or not it was overtly stated, I would wish him the best despite being disappointed because it's hardly as though he owes anything to the club, or anyone at the cub. At the end of the day his life and lifestyle decisions are his own, and I don't really think anyone has a right to degrade him because of it. I would maintain this for my own player too.
 

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Gee the syd fans are becoming arrogant in this thread, don't blame Adel for wanting to dump tippet into the PSD.

Hopefully Tippet goes to a club he doesn't want to go to and it'll teach him and Syd a lessn for trying to screw over Adel.
Why have Sydney tried to screw over Adelaide?
All clubs have the opportunity to have a crack at players coming off contract that indicate they aren't open to re-signing.
Adelaide and Sydney are two great clubs with a good history of trading well. No reason this can't and won't continue despite the hand wringing and teeth gnashing on Big Footy.

As for Tippett, he's a young man, who has every right to determine the course of his life. Players come and go for many many reasons. The great thing is that the clubs and their fans stay the same. That's the only loyalty you can count on; even more so in the new age of free agency.
 

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I personally hope we don't get him for nothing. Players are getting too much power as it is.

I would much rather he ends up getting screwed over, and ends up at Freo (who we know can afford him) or something to send a message to players that you can't hold your club at ransom.

I think Grundy and 22 is fair, I would do it happily. It isn't up to me unfortunately.

I also think a lot of what is coming off as arrogance in this thread, is in fact defensiveness at the validity of the Premiership being brought into question, because of the salary cap.
 

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I personally hope we don't get him for nothing. Players are getting too much power as it is.

I would much rather he ends up getting screwed over, and ends up at Freo (who we know can afford him) or something to send a message to players that you can't hold your club at ransom.

I think Grundy and 22 is fair, I would do it happily. It isn't up to me unfortunately.

I also think a lot of what is coming off as arrogance in this thread, is in fact defensiveness at the validity of the Premiership being brought into question, because of the salary cap.
Would require the player to want to go. Or is that too much power to a player? WTF?

How do players have too much power when the clubs hold all the chips in terms of player movements outside of FA and the PSD (which is again slanted for schite clubs)?
 

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I don't want one opportunist player to sour relations between two sets of supporters. Although a Sydney fan, I would fully understand if Adelaide FC choose to take a stand on principle, and send Kurt Tippett to the PSD.

With our club, it's very much about the culture. In this respect KT is untried. It would not sit well with supporters to shaft a Premiership player just for the sake a gamble on an opportunist.

Are you hearing me (with respect) Richard Colless.
 

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Would require the player to want to go. Or is that too much power to a player? WTF?

How do players have too much power when the clubs hold all the chips in terms of player movements outside of FA and the PSD (which is again slanted for schite clubs)?
Two separate thoughts my man, it was strictly hypothetical.
You should poke your head into any of the American sports, the players are moved around like chess pieces.

I just object to the players being able to nominate a single club, and while their club is busy trying to work out a fair deal with said club, they may miss out on the opportunity for a better deal with another club.
 

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Footy is Kurts career, he might not want to be in Melbourne, but guess what? He will adapt if he wants to keep playing footy
I'm not saying he'd refuse to play. I'm saying Carlton would be crazy to invest that much money into someone that has made it clear they want to be elsewhere.

I wouldn't want anyone on my list that isn't 110% committed.
 

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I personally hope we don't get him for nothing. Players are getting too much power as it is.

I would much rather he ends up getting screwed over, and ends up at Freo (who we know can afford him) or something to send a message to players that you can't hold your club at ransom.

I think Grundy and 22 is fair, I would do it happily. It isn't up to me unfortunately.

I also think a lot of what is coming off as arrogance in this thread, is in fact defensiveness at the validity of the Premiership being brought into question, because of the salary cap.
You won't. Unless you do a deal - which will happen I reckon - the Crows will either see if they can work something out with another club and Tippett or he'll end up in the Draft. If the latter happens he'll be picked-up well before your first pick.
 

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LOL @ the Crows threatening to send him into the draft.

"Yeah, well we will send him into the draft, then you will have to give up pick 22 alone for him and we will get nothing. Take that Sydney!"
Surely, surely if that happens then GC and Brisbane will both have a serious crack at him.
 

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Two separate thoughts my man, it was strictly hypothetical.
You should poke your head into any of the American sports, the players are moved around like chess pieces.

I just object to the players being able to nominate a single club, and while their club is busy trying to work out a fair deal with said club, they may miss out on the opportunity for a better deal with another club.
I don't condone an American system, but what you are suggesting is that the player should just adhere to the club's wishes and desires. It is a 2-way street.

I am glad players have more freedom, but not complete freedom. Means clubs have to be reasonable.
 

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I don't condone an American system, but what you are suggesting is that the player should just adhere to the club's wishes and desires. It is a 2-way street.

I am glad players have more freedom, but not complete freedom. Means clubs have to be reasonable.
Nope, never said that at all. Just don't agree with this one club nomination crap.
 

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Nothing stopping him from nominating for the National Draft if he feels it will deliver him to Sydney.
GC now dont have a pick before our one, brisbane have pick 8
Not too sure if brisbane would use pick 8 to draft him, who knows they might
I'd forgotten about that, that does change things.
 

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Why?

Players are employees, why shouldn't employees work for the employer they want to (assuming the feeling is mutual)?
High level employees don't have that luxury in the business world either.

I thought you didn't like the American system, you seem to be flying pretty close to it.
 
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