Play Nice Tippett Nominates Sydney - Part II

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Would require the player to want to go. Or is that too much power to a player? WTF?

How do players have too much power when the clubs hold all the chips in terms of player movements outside of FA and the PSD (which is again slanted for schite clubs)?
Did you miss the part where Tippett nominated sydney and by all reports sydney are the only club the crows are dealing with?
 

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I did read the post you were responding to. Mattrox made a perfectly relevant point - you dismissed it with a flimsy argument, to which I responded.

Maybe you should think before you post.
Haha, yeah you really understood the context didn't you? There wouldn't be a single Hawks poster in this thread had you won the grand final.

Maybe you should go and hang out in the "Why did we lose the unloseable flag?" thread, which is what's really motivating you, isn't it?
 

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Why?

Players are employees, why shouldn't employees work for the employer they want to (assuming the feeling is mutual)?
because in the AFL we value measures put in place to ensure the equality of the competition as a whole, individuals choosing a career as an afl player know this going in. They are paid extraordinarily well in my opinion and there are many perks to being an AFL player, unlike choosing whether you want to work at Coles or Woolies. They arent employees, theyre athletes.
 

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Gee the syd fans are becoming arrogant in this thread, don't blame Adel for wanting to dump tippet into the PSD.

Hopefully Tippet goes to a club he doesn't want to go to and it'll teach him and Syd a lessn for trying to screw over Adel.
Who said we were being arrogant? Many a Swans poster (me included) is realistic about him heading to the PSD. In fact there's quite a number of Swans posters (again me included) who aren't even that sure getting Tippett is the best move for the club. But they employ professionals to do these things, so events will pan out in due course.
 
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Haha, yeah you really understood the context didn't you? There wouldn't be a single Hawks poster in this thread had you won the grand final.

Maybe you should go and hang out in the "Why did we lose the unloseable flag?" thread, which is what's really motivating you, isn't it?
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When has the top paid player at one club gone to another club where he will also be the top paid player and gone for pick 22 in a compromised draft ?

Look to history and Nick Stevens is the only player close to that situation that did go for at least 2 top 16 picks.
 

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Look everyone, a google-educated person. There is a difference between knowledge and information.I suggest you explore the gap.

I have seen you use this before, try something new.
 

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I'd imagine we'd park Tippett in the goal square and say, "Stay there, catch and kick"
That'd be a very good move, he can't kick goals beyond about 25-30 metres out. With his concussion issues and crap kicking I can confidently say that there are many, many crows supporters who are relieved to see him go. As for what we take, I'm not going to comment in this shitcan-fest but to say lets leave it to the clubs. Is there really any point playing "my pure speculation is way more correct than yours?" :rolleyes:
Watched it with Carlton supporters with the Sam Jacobs trade a few years ago. Everyone thought they knew what was going to happen, Carlton supporters swore black and blue we were going to give up Talia, etc.....they didn't know a thing, hence the result. I think with trading, what goes around comes around. Clubs win some, they lose some. We've been shafted more than any other club in the last 2 years with Bock, Davi$, Gunston leaving for usually inadequate compensation. It's due to this kind of thing that crows supporters are over it, and giving it to Sydney supporters. I really feel that this latest episode with Tippet will further galvanise our players, we should be a bloody strong side next year. We played some very damn good footy without Tippet near the end of the year, we'll be fine without him.
 

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It's not Adelaide's or Sydney's fault in those whole Tippett dilemma. He knew when he nominated Sydney that is was going to be hard to do a deal with 2 clubs who are in their premiership window and don't want to give up their top players for other players. He would have been well aware from his manager that we only have Pick 22 plus other players to give up to get the trade done. If adelaide was trading with GC or Brisbane it would have been a much different scenario and Tippett only has himself to blame for this whole dilemma and stuffing over Adelaide. I do agree though that if Reid wanted to go to another club I'd be wanting a high draft pick and a player. Unfortunately for adelaide we probably won't give up any premiership players so a 3 way trade will have to happen for it to get done. Or the PSD.
 

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I personally hope we don't get him for nothing. Players are getting too much power as it is.

I would much rather he ends up getting screwed over, and ends up at Freo (who we know can afford him) or something to send a message to players that you can't hold your club at ransom.

I think Grundy and 22 is fair, I would do it happily. It isn't up to me unfortunately.

I also think a lot of what is coming off as arrogance in this thread, is in fact defensiveness at the validity of the Premiership being brought into question, because of the salary cap.
I tend to agree, we don't need him and it's a luxury pickup if we do get him. Too many unanswered questions about him, and whether or not he'll be any better than what we have. Give Sam Reid two years and he'll be a power forward.
 

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The AFL need to get involved.

Free Agency was brought in for this - Tippett isn't one, so tell him and his ******* manager to stop acting like one.

Sydney have reduced their standing here as well; their reputation is taking a hammering. They simply do not have the currency to trade fairly, and refuse to use what they do have to acquire it - so they never should've made him an offer of this nature.

The AFL need to get involved and tell all of them to pull their ******* heads in.
 

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LOL @ the Crows threatening to send him into the draft.

"Yeah, well we will send him into the draft, then you will have to give up pick 22 alone for him and we will get nothing. Take that Sydney!"
Look mate why not troll off hey? Your anti crows input does nothing to improve this thread. Its not a threat. I think they're quite serious. And if they do, they'd have their legitimate reasons. Given that Port Adelaide are the only club in the history of the afl to actually take this action you are lolling at, gaining nothing for Nick Stevens, isn't that a touch amusing in its own right?
 
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Look everyone, a google-educated person. There is a difference between knowledge and information.I suggest you explore the gap.

I have seen you use this before, try something new.
"There is a difference between knowledge and information"...That's the best you could come up with? Not try to argue the original point with a pertinent argument, thus proving me wrong, but continue with more irrelevant rubbish. That doesn't even make sense in the context you used it.

Shouldn't you be in bed by now?..no doubt you have school tomorrow.
 

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Sydney have shit draft picks to offer because they won the flag, and to outsiders it appears none of their good players want to leave - nor do the club want them to.

If you go with the assumption that no players on Sydney's entire list will agree to be traded then they have nothing to offer that is close to Tippett's value. 22 & 40? Jesus, that'd be a bargain. It's an unfortunate situation that Tippett has placed the clubs in.
 

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The AFL need to get involved.

Free Agency was brought in for this - Tippett isn't one, so tell him and his ******* manager to stop acting like one.

Sydney have reduced their standing here as well; their reputation is taking a hammering. They simply do not have the currency to trade fairly, and refuse to use what they do have to acquire it - so they never should've made him an offer of this nature.

The AFL need to get involved and tell all of them to pull their ******* heads in.
You can consider it payback for you not being fair to us last year on the Armstrong trade.
Adelaide decided to play hardball then, on a fringe player never the less, this is just karma coming full circle.

In a market with only 1 buyer, he is only worth what the market is willing to pay.

EDIT: or even consider it karma for the Jacobs trade, Adelaide aren't some club that are above playing hardball to get a great deal for their club, shouldnt be a surprise when the shoe is on the other foot.
 

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Him and #35 for Johnston, who your Club wanted to get rid of?

And there isn't just one buyer.

Scotland, right - which means Sydney never should've put their offer on the table.
 

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Sydney are right to offer what they can/are willing to.

Adelaide are right to ask for whatever they want in return.

Eventually they'll either come to some sort of agreement or Tippett will go into the draft.

It sucks for Adelaide but Sydney are right not to upset the balance of their team too much to get Tippett. They just won the flag without him, so they don't need him as such. Trading out a Jetta or Haneberry or whoever is a dangerous gamble. You don't want to rob Peter to pay Paul for want of a less lame expression. Again, sucks for Adelaide big time.
 

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Him and #35 for Johnston, who your Club wanted to get rid of?

And there isn't just one buyer.

Scotland, right - which means Sydney never should've put their offer on the table.
Have to agree, i think we might end up the better of the Armstrong - Johnston trade. We ended up getting Walsh with the draft picks in that trade.
 
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