Play Nice Tippett Nominates Sydney - Part II

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Which means that it's not our COL allowing us to target Tippett, but our ability to make room. It's one or the other, it can't logically be both.
Your CoL allowance aids your salary cap management.

It's easier to make room when you have more to start with.

If Sydney can arrange their player contracts such that there is $600k or $800k or whatever available in 2013 to sign Kurt Tippett then it's good management, but they're fitting that into a possible $9.64m - not $8.78m.
 

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If Sydney can arrange their player contracts such that there is $600k or $800k or whatever available in 2013 to sign Kurt Tippett then it's good management, but they're fitting that into a possible $9.64m - not $8.78m.
I'd say the early departures of messers Hall and Jolly and the subsequent front loading of contracts as a result would have more to do with it. Bradshaw's few hundred thousand and Jesse Whites anti-GC contract are off the books from next year, too.
 
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I'm not sure I understand your point? Both Rohan and Parker are contracted, by the way.

Do I want to see either of these contracted players leave in order to bring in an uncontracted player in Tippett. No. If I (and it's not up to me, remember) had my way we would pass on Tippett if it meant losing either Parker, Rohan, Reid, etc etc ad nauseum.
Its got nothing to do with contracts mate. You said Rohan and Mitchell are more important then Tippett. Nothing to do with this trade. Who is more important for collingwood out of THomas and CLoke? Clearly Cloke.
 

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Your CoL allowance aids your salary cap management.

It's easier to make room when you have more to start with.

If Sydney can arrange their player contracts such that there is $600k or $800k or whatever available in 2013 to sign Kurt Tippett then it's good management, but they're fitting that into a possible $9.64m - not $8.78m.
And again you miss the point. We've only got that extra room if we haven't been using it (keeping in mind that we can't just stop using it whenever we want, it's built into contracts). So if we're using it, then it doesn't give us any more room to get Tippett.
 

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And again you miss the point. We've only got that extra room if we haven't been using it (keeping in mind that we can't just stop using it whenever we want, it's built into contracts). So if we're using it, then it doesn't give us any more room to get Tippett.
Let's say you have $1m of spare cap space going into 2013.

That does not mean you necessarily had $1m of spare cap space over the course of 2012.

Do you see the distinction?
 
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If that's what you took from my post then I feel sorry for you.
You honestly think this is a Judd like situation where a Sydney player will think "Oh my, I don't want my team to miss out on Tippett, I better pack my bags" He is not the calibre of player where that thought process is even warranted. Please keep sending your sorrow my way though.
 

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It's relevant to this trade. Kpfs > Mids
Now I see your point, which is moot. Who's more important, Pendlebury or Cloke? How long is a piece of string?If you have a crap midfield and a forward line of KPFs you'll still murdered on the scoreboard.

You're looking for desperate solutions to your anger at losing Tippett.
 

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Now I see your point, which is moot. Who's more important, Pendlebury or Cloke? How long is a piece of string?If you have a crap midfield and a forward line of KPFs you'll still murdered on the scoreboard.

You're looking for desperate solutions to your anger at losing Tippett.
Tippett is a lot closer to Cloke then Rohan/Parker/Mitchell are to Pendles. Yes they have potential although not everyone reaches theres. I heard Jack Watts had good potential before he debuted as well.
 

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Tippett is a lot closer to Cloke then Rohan/Parker/Mitchell are to Pendles. Yes they have potential although not everyone reaches theres. I heard Jack Watts had good potential before he debuted as well.
Do Rohan/Parker/Mitchell have the potential to cop another concussion and perhaps have extended time out of the game? Really not sure why more isn't being made of this - it's a serious downside to Tippett. Yes, I'm aware that both Rohan and Mitchell have been out with injury, but they will mend.
 
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Do Rohan/Parker/Mitchell have the potential to cop another concussion and perhaps have extended time out of the game? Really not sure why more isn't being made of this - it's a serious downside to Tippett. Yes, I'm aware that both Rohan and Mitchell have been out with injury, but they will mend.
Rohan has snapped his leg in half. Thats a serious injury as well. Did you not see our prelim? Watch Tippett if you wanna see his value.
 

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Do Rohan/Parker/Mitchell have the potential to cop another concussion and perhaps have extended time out of the game? Really not sure why more isn't being made of this - it's a serious downside to Tippett. Yes, I'm aware that both Rohan and Mitchell have been out with injury, but they will mend.
I think both sides are overvaluing their players. The fact of the matter is there's a difference between a good player and a star. Tippett is a star whether you want to admit it or not. Everyone knows his name the same as they know Franklin, Brown, Pavlich, Goodes, Cloke, etc. The same reason this thread is huge. If we were losing Callinan how big do you think this thread would be?

Rohan/Parker/Mitchell are good players. But at this stage they are relitively unknown interstate, and rightly so.
 
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You honestly think this is a Judd like situation where a Sydney player will think "Oh my, I don't want my team to miss out on Tippett, I better pack my bags" He is not the calibre of player where that thought process is even warranted. Please keep sending your sorrow my way though.
My dog died the other day... my sorrow is in the mail. Cheers, buddy.
 

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Hope my club doesn't bend over and take it. Much rather us make a stand and lose him for nothing. It's BS how a player can demand to be traded somewhere, put a price tag on his head, and the clubs get shafted. Happened to us time and time again in the last 4 years. Hopefully some rule changes are put into place to avoid this kind of situation in the future. Seems like we would get more if he was a bloody free agent

PS nothing against Sydney, they are doing what's best for their club, good on them.
 

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Hope my club doesn't bend over and take it. Much rather us make a stand and lose him for nothing. It's BS how a player can demand to be traded somewhere, put a price tag on his head, and the clubs get shafted. Happened to us time and time again in the last 4 years. Hopefully some rule changes are put into place to avoid this kind of situation in the future. Seems like we would get more if he was a bloody free agent

Just make uncontracted players free agents and avoid all the crap
 

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Let's say you have $1m of spare cap space going into 2013.

That does not mean you necessarily had $1m of spare cap space over the course of 2012.

Do you see the distinction?
Yes, but I'm not sure you do.

If the Swans are paying their full COL, that's not going to change between 2012 and 2013. So our cap space can be thought of as Z+Y1-(X+Y2), where Z is the base cap, Y1 is the total COL, X is our base payments, and Y2 is the 10% extra we pay our players from the COL (which will be very close to equal Y1, and when the cap is maxed, will equal Y1). Now, we can't, at the end of this year, just choose to stop paying Y2 to the other players and direct it to a player like Tippett, as it's built into the players' contracts. Our cap space can increase, but only by reducing X+Y2 together. Furthermore, because Y1 and Y2 are basically equal, we can remove them from the equation, leaving our cap space as Z-X, which is the exact same as every other team in the competition.

Now, if we were somehow saving our COL allowance (not possible, given manager expectations and the minimum salary limit, but hypothetically), that would allow us to spend that money on a guy like Tippett, but it would necessitate that the COL is not part of the player contracts, or can be switched on and off at will (it most certainly can't). The only way to free up some on the spot would be to negotiate the contracts for players out of contract this year without the COL, which players and managers obviously wouldn't accept, and would only free up a small fraction of it. Therefore, under the assumption that either all players get it or none do, we would have had to be not using it at all to have that money lying around for Tippett. Therefore, we won the Premiership without it.

Now, the reality is the first example. We use the COL, 10% is added to every player's market value as a matter of course, to account for the expense of living in Sydney. In other words, if players don't get their slice of the COL, they look elsewhere. So there's no way to manipulate it to free up some cash for a big name. It's just not possible. But if it were, people would still have to choose between the Premiership having an asterisk, or Tippett's trade being unfair.
 

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Yeah stuff the compensation, it was off the cuff havent thought much, but players just moving around wouldnt bother me on the surface, basically happens anyway
I think my club generally lets players go where they want to go, as long as we don't get our pants pulled down completely. I think the problem stems when clubs are unreasonable.

I just think mediation should play a bigger role when clubs are a long way off in finding common ground but I think the mediator results should be final as opposed to optional. If one club says they want X and the other club says they will offer Y then the mediator should review both proposals and say the deal is Z or draft for nothing. It would encourage groups to get deals done before it gets to mediation.
 

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I think my club generally lets players go where they want to go, as long as we don't get our pants pulled down completely. I think the problem stems when clubs are unreasonable.

I just think mediation should play a bigger role when clubs are a long way off in finding common ground but I think the mediator results should be final as opposed to optional. If one club says they want X and the other club says they will offer Y then the mediator should review both proposals and say the deal is Z. It would encourage groups to get deals done before it gets to mediation.

Not against the idea, though in some cases value is subjective. Who are the current mediators, anyone in particular?
 
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