Play Nice Tippett Nominates Sydney - Part II

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Hypothetical...

Swans tell Kurt to go to PSD and nominate a 1 year salary of $1 million to scare other suitors off. Swans then pick him up and mid 2013 renegotiate say a 3 year $1.4 million dollar contract. He in the end gets $800,000 a season over 4 years.

Upside - Swans get Tippett and lose nothing. No club in their right mind would pay $1 million for one season knowing the player will be unhappy and leave at the end.

Downside - If Tippet doesn't love playing for Sydney he can up and leave at the end of the year and Swans would be the laughing stock of the comp. Also it's probs bending the rules although I don't see how what Luke Ball did was much more ethical.

Is the above hypothetical possible?
 

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Hypothetical...

Swans tell Kurt to go to PSD and nominate a 1 year salary of $1 million to scare other suitors off. Swans then pick him up and mid 2013 renegotiate say a 3 year $1.4 million dollar contract. He in the end gets $800,000 a season over 4 years.

Upside - Swans get Tippett and lose nothing. No club in their right mind would pay $1 million for one season knowing the player will be unhappy and leave at the end.

Downside - If Tippet doesn't love playing for Sydney he can up and leave at the end of the year and Swans would be the laughing stock of the comp. Also it's probs bending the rules although I don't see how what Luke Ball did was much more ethical.

Is the above hypothetical possible?
I don't think your numbers add up. Based on what you've suggested he would be getting 1m + 3x1.4m = 5.2m? Or are you saying 1m plus 1.4m which equals 600 a year?

You'd be paying 1.3m a year for Tippett which would be a terrible decision. Or 600 which wouldn't be enough?
 

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Hypothetical...

Swans tell Kurt to go to PSD and nominate a 1 year salary of $1 million to scare other suitors off. Swans then pick him up and mid 2013 renegotiate say a 3 year $1.4 million dollar contract. He in the end gets $800,000 a season over 4 years.

Upside - Swans get Tippett and lose nothing. No club in their right mind would pay $1 million for one season knowing the player will be unhappy and leave at the end.

Downside - If Tippet doesn't love playing for Sydney he can up and leave at the end of the year and Swans would be the laughing stock of the comp. Also it's probs bending the rules although I don't see how what Luke Ball did was much more ethical.

Is the above hypothetical possible?
We don't have a mil to give him under the cap next year
 

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Lol you're right, you get the idea though.
Yeah I see what you mean. I reckon Sydney would feel more secure locking him down for 4 or risking not getting him in the draft.

If Sydney go back to back, Tippett would have his premiership ticked off and might think he's worth 2 million a year.
 

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Yeah I see what you mean. I reckon Sydney would feel more secure locking him down for 4 or risking not getting him in the draft.

If Sydney go back to back, Tippett would have his premiership ticked off and might think he's worth 2 million a year.
We'd do the contract extension mid year
 

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No there is a minimum of a 2year contract whether it is PSD or ND, so there is no silly buggers like you have suggested.
Anyway we dont have a spare million in our cap. We want it back eneded so when the likes of goodsey and ROK retire then we will have ALOT of money which we will use to pay tippett

For example Y1 = 600k Y2 = 600k Y3 = 1.2m Y4 = 1.2m
 

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No there is a minimum of a 2year contract whether it is PSD or ND, so there is no silly buggers like you have suggested.
Anyway we dont have a spare million in our cap. We want it back eneded so when the likes of goodsey and ROK retire then we will have ALOT of money which we will use to pay tippett

For example Y1 = 600k Y2 = 600k Y3 = 1.2m Y4 = 1.2m
Thanks for clearing that up. Was curious. Funny that you can only sign for 2 years though. What if you were a 32 yr old and your body only had 1 season left. Would be very unfair.
 

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I still think the sudden "interest" from GWS is just game playing to make us give more up. I just don't see where he fits in. Where is he going to play with 2 elite KPF talents on that team already in Patton and Cameron. Will they really pay 800k for a backup ruckman?
 

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I still think the sudden "interest" from GWS is just game playing to make us give more up. I just don't see where he fits in. Where is he going to play with 2 elite KPF talents on that team already in Patton and Cameron. Will they really pay 800k for a backup ruckman?
He fits in nicely with their development, grab him for 3-4 years and by that time they're around 23 and hitting their AFL peak as he starts to decline.
Money probably isn't an issue, the AFL doesn't leave its precious Sydney clubs wanting
 

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our threat to send him to the PSD suddenly looks a lot more potent
That's if GWS have the $ to match our offer.

Front loaded contracts could possibly be the reason they havn't signed any uncontracted players this year and refused to pay Giles 300k next season.

They had to dramaticallly overpay Scully (and his dad:oops:), Ward and Davis to convince them to sign and will have to do the same with their young recruits (Patton, Tyson, Hoskin-Eliiot).

Just some brinksmanship from a club (Sheedy) struggling to compete for any news in a city with the Premiers.
 
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He fits in nicely with their development, grab him for 3-4 years and by that time they're around 23 and hitting their AFL peak as he starts to decline.
Money probably isn't an issue, the AFL doesn't leave its precious Sydney clubs wanting
How does an extra KPF who takes the spot of one of their young players help with development? He doesn't help them with anything except maybe not getting thumped by as much for a few years.

Do any teams play with three star KPFs?

Seems like GWS getting involved helps us. I know Adelaide people want to create a bidding war - I would to. Problem is he has nominated us. GWS getting involved and having him saying no to them increases the chance he could fall to us in the PSD. No way they will pick him after he has already turned them down.

Thanks Sheeds. We can go back to only offering pick 22 :)
 

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He fits in nicely with their development, grab him for 3-4 years and by that time they're around 23 and hitting their AFL peak as he starts to decline.
Money probably isn't an issue, the AFL doesn't leave its precious Sydney clubs wanting
Incorrect. Money is definitely an issue. No way is it a good play for GWS to pay Tippett a million a year for 4 years and leave themselves far more vulnerable to raids from other clubs. If both Sydney and Tippett hold their nerve, Tippett will end up at Sydney either through the PSD or for pick 23.

The only possible way out for the Crows is if Sheedy decides he doesn't mind hamstringing GWS for the future, because he wont be a part of that future anyway (and this relies on GWS management being morons).
 

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Sheedy has an opportunity to get one over the cross town rivals, get a genuine crowd puller and get a massive head line. On top of this, GWS have actually come out and said that they are interested in Tippett and are also willing to offload top picks for quality players.

Sydney fans - nah not going to happen 22 or psd.

Right.
 

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How does an extra KPF who takes the spot of one of their young players help with development? He doesn't help them with anything except maybe not getting thumped by as much for a few years.

Do any teams play with three star KPFs?

Seems like GWS getting involved helps us. I know Adelaide people want to create a bidding war - I would to. Problem is he has nominated us. GWS getting involved and having him saying no to them increases the chance he could fall to us in the PSD. No way they will pick him after he has already turned them down.

Thanks Sheeds. We can go back to only offering pick 22 :)
Pick 23
Plenty of KP players have been damaged by being thrown into the deep end too early into their careers. Both of the GWS players would benefit from having some support up forward for the next few years.
As for the money i think it's hard to say, several of their older players will start retiring and free up some cap space to be used on that sort of thing.

All that needs to happen is for $kirt to think there's a risk he ends up at GWS in the PSD and things change completely. Brisbane might even seem like a better alternative at that point since they would be willing to make a decent trade with the Crows.

Obviously Sydney want to have their cake and eat it too, after being coddled for decades by the AFL i can understand that but sadly for you guys the AFL has a new favourite in town now.
 

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I still think the sudden "interest" from GWS is just game playing to make us give more up. I just don't see where he fits in. Where is he going to play with 2 elite KPF talents on that team already in Patton and Cameron. Will they really pay 800k for a backup ruckman?
Lol Backup Ruckman.
Patton isnt ready yet, and can still fit in the same forward line as Tippett and Cameron anyhow.
I hope GWS are serious, and so does everyone except Sydney supporters. I hope Kurt the Skirt ends up down the bottom of the ladder and then the year after he retires GWS win the flag.
 
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Plenty of KP players have been damaged by being thrown into the deep end too early into their careers. Both of the GWS players would benefit from having some support up forward for the next few years.
As for the money i think it's hard to say, several of their older players will start retiring and free up some cap space to be used on that sort of thing.

All that needs to happen is for $kirt to think there's a risk he ends up at GWS in the PSD and things change completely. Brisbane might even seem like a better alternative at that point since they would be willing to make a decent trade with the Crows.

Obviously Sydney want to have their cake and eat it too, after being coddled for decades by the AFL i can understand that but sadly for you guys the AFL has a new favourite in town now.
You sound bitter
 
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