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Which AFC deserter were/are you most salty towards?


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Niximus

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Pick #22 over our time in the AFL - not many that you'd exchange Tippett for...

1991 - Simon Crawshay - 19 games
1992 - John McNamara - 0 games
1993 - Dion Myles - 8 games
1994 - Winston Abraham - 110 games
1995 - Joe McLaren - 69 games
1996 - Alistair Nicholson - 110 games
1997 - Troy Longmuir - 83 games
1998 - James Begley - 61 games
1999 - Ezra Poyas - 9 games
2000 - Richard Hadley - 66 games
2001 - Mark Seaby - 120 games (currently delisted)*
2002 - Matthew Ferguson - 12 games
2003 - Cameron Thurley - 12 games
2004 - Jesse Wells - unknown
2005 - Beau Muston - 8 games
2006 - Albert Proud - 29 games
2007 - Scott Selwood - 92 games*
2008 - Jackson Trengove - 59 games*
2009 - Gerrick Weedon - 1 game*
2010 - Mitch Wallis 24 games* (father/son pick, next real pick Cameron Guthrie - 20 games*)
2011 - Josh Bootsma - 5 games*

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Gotta say guys I am pissed for you.

It is complete BS how Tippett has treated the club.

I actually think its complete crap that any player who is not a free agent can simply declare where he wants to go 'or else'. At the very least, offering a club two or three options helps, and when GWS would clearly take him AND offer greater compensation it's just ****ed.

On the plus side, you have to at least be thankful to be getting rid of him on some level. I wouldn't want a player who would treat his own club with such disrespect.

Leaving is one thing, but using the go home factor as a reason and then simply going for the highest bidder says a lot to me; particularly when it is coupled with the aforementioned 'or else' threat.
 

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Long long long long time reader about to take the plunge. Here goes...

Probably already been mentioned but with Collingwood shipping Dawes off, and accumulating picks inside the top 25, is there a chance they'll make a darkhorse run at Tippett? I know the dog has just backed us into a corner again with that "I wont even go to GWS" call, but the Pies have seemed quietly keen for him all along.

His price tag is obviously an issue too. Could they afford him? And I think, as far as making a pitch to Tippett's management, surely all they'd have to do is say "yeah we know you love Sydney, but hey... we're Collingwood."

"Its not a million, but have 800 and a Lexus dealership..."

Also:

* Tippett's a dog
* I cant wait for Crouch
* McKernan will step up
* We need outside run around stoppages
* I hate Port
The force is strong in this one.
 

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Been watching this thread and there are some very confused people out there.

The same people saying he's a spud are wanting top 15 picks for him.

Let's be honest, if he had played for anyone else you would be telling them that 22 was a great trade for him.

I'd be happy with a pick in the 20's for a player that was not very good anyway.
Whether WE think he's a spud or not is completely irrelevant - and certainly influenced by the fact that he's been an absolute prick to us - Sydney are prepared to pay close to $4million over 4 years which clearly indicates THEY don't think he is a spud. If that is what THEY are prepared to pay HIM, then they need to adequately compensate US based on that.
 

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Again the people saying 'better something than nothing' miss the broader picture.
Could we have handled negotiations better? (if we accept pick 23 and a garbage player then yes we could have)
Has anything we've done minimised the chances of this happening again? (Absolutely not, though our drafting strategy seems to be moving in this direction)

This situation will become more common as players see these examples and begin to act accordingly. Every time some wanker manager starts whispering to his players that they could just walk out and win the lottery I want their instinctive reaction to be 'well geez didn't the club raise hell when $kirt did that and end up screwing up his preferred deal?'

Pick 23 and a garbage player is crap. When that emerged as their 'serious' offer negotiations should've been immediately and publicly suspended, informing the entire AFL world that he would be in the PSD unless a better offer was made.
 

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Seems to be some growing love for pick 23 over the last 24 hrs, if you guys end up taking it here is some of the up side from a outsiders POV
  • Kurt is a tool and you are better off without him at your club, he was a distaction and has been for some time
  • At some point in the future a SA boy will want to come home from Sydney and you will have every right to butt **** the living daylights out of the Swans
  • Kurt's selfish nature may very well destroy the culture of Sydney
  • Pick 23 may in fact turn out to be a better player and human being than Kurt
  • Hopefully the AFL see this as blatant tampering and revise the rules to prevent such a injustice happening again (but not before you, enact point 2 :D)
We already have pick 19. Our talent identification has been reasonably good, I'd hope we achieved a good pick from 19.
 

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Again the people saying 'better something than nothing' miss the broader picture.
Could we have handled negotiations better? (if we accept pick 23 and a garbage player then yes we could have)
Has anything we've done minimised the chances of this happening again? (Absolutely not, though our drafting strategy seems to be moving in this direction)

This situation will become more common as players see these examples and begin to act accordingly. Every time some Moo manager starts whispering to his players that they could just walk out and win the lottery I want their instinctive reaction to be 'well geez didn't the club raise hell when $kirt did that and end up screwing up his preferred deal?'

Pick 23 and a garbage player is crap. When that emerged as their 'serious' offer negotiations should've been immediately and publicly suspended, informing the entire AFL world that he would be in the PSD unless a better offer was made.
I agree, you only have to throw an elbow once to make the next guy not to roll the dice.
 
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I'm so over this trade period. So long! They should just have had 2 weeks of free agency and two week trade period with a one week overlap. Every team is waiting for these compensations which is ridiculous to start with. Why compensate an unrestricted agent? They are not in the top 25% so who cares.

I cannot wait for next friday when regardless, Tippett is no longer a Crow. Happy Days! :D
 

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What a rollercoaster ride. Looks like it's in a dip at the moment, hopefully by tonight/tomorrow things will look up again.

The club needs to stand firm. Sydney know that at the end of the day they will have to give us something better than 22/23 as there is a 95% chance that GWS will swoop on him in the PSD if we send him there.
 

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This situation will become more common as players see these examples and begin to act accordingly. Every time some Moo manager starts whispering to his players that they could just walk out and win the lottery I want their instinctive reaction to be 'well geez didn't the club raise hell when $kirt did that and end up screwing up his preferred deal?'
Players, managers and club officials dont think like that, however great it would be if they did.

Pick 23 and a garbage player is crap. When that emerged as their 'serious' offer negotiations should've been immediately and publicly suspended, informing the entire AFL world that he would be in the PSD unless a better offer was made.
Only if the AFC wanted to look like the biggest unprofessional basket case on Earth. Letting a blue chip player behave, then change clubs like a free agent when he's not would be the worst case scenario for the AFC. It wont happen.
 

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You are bringing a non football factor into the equation. A factor that differs from club to club, Tippet hasn't done half of what Dawes has.
You are confused.

You are also assuming Melbourne are capable of paying correct value for players...


It always amazes me how much people let their personal bias against a player influence any rational judgement of that player. Tippett is clearly in our best 5 players and is quite possibly the MOST important in regards to the team structure that we have. Make no mistake, we will miss him hugely and when a guy like Matthew Wright is not getting a game next year because we have to play both McKernan and Jenkins to cover for him, people will start to realise this. Sydney haven't made too many bad recruiting decisions over the years so maybe give them some credit.

There is a very good reason why clubs are willing to pay Tippett twice what Dawes gets while you would pay him half... They know more about football.
 

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Players, managers and club officials dont think like that, however great it would be if they did.



Only if the AFC wanted to look like the biggest unprofessional basket case on Earth. Letting a blue chip player behave, then change clubs like a free agent when he's not would be the worst case scenario for the AFC. It wont happen.
If they don't think like that it's a problem with our club's management, i guarentee they think like that at Collingwood (as one obvious example)

Losing Tippett for nothing to Sydney is the worst case scenario, pick 23 and a list clogger is so close to effectively being nothing that i'd rather just roll the dice and hope someone else grabs him. (Or at least posture on that basis and increase the pressure on the Swans and Tippett to make a decent deal)
 

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Whilst I fully support the notion that letting the dog walk in the PSD would be a great moral victory for the AFC, I'd also like to think the professionals running our club have been employed because they're good at what they do, and thus see the obvious folly in getting nothing for Tippett.
Hopefully they exhaust every avenue until 2pm next Friday (or whenever it finishes)... and if they still cant do better, they need to take whatever is offered. Please note I say "if they still cant do better".

Obviously pick 22 is no where near the mark for a guy who's asking 7 figures out of the reigning premier. But to basically say "here, have him for free" (and you know he'll get there - look at his antics so far) would be the biggest fumble in the clubs history from a business point of view.

What happens if pick 22 turns out to be a gun?

Come on people. I hate the pr-ck as much as you. But he's not a 'free' agent. If we get nothing for him, we'll be a laughing stock. Maybe not on Big Footy, but amongst the people that matter this time of year.

*yes, its taken me 3 posts to try and lose friends I never had


In actual fact Port Adelaide were not a laughing stock at all when they stood up to Collingwood over Nick Stevens, I even grudgingly respected their stance while the whole footy world agreed with them. It's not about pick 22 this year, it's about our reputation for trades in the future that is important here and no one from other clubs would denigrate us at all if we take a stand against Sydney in this instance. Pick 22, which would have a 10% strike rate at best, is a small price to pay for respect at the trade table in the future, and taking a stand might just lead to a better deal this year anyway.
 

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Do you have any free i50 stats or anything that backs that up at all?
2.2 marks per game I50 (vs Dawes pick 20 at 0.8). With 3 injury affected games.
7.8 cp vs 5.7
2.4 CM vs 1.0

Tippett ranked 3rd in contested marks this year.

Tippett's season was injury effected. Dawes is a serviceable player.

Dawes comparison provided to show how far away pick 22 is off the mark.
 
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Collingwood get pick 20 for Dawes, we'll probably only get 23 for Tippett. This friends is the difference between trading a contracted player (Dawes) and an uncontracted one (Tippett). We were always pissing in the wind.
 
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I think we should go on the attack. I know they're contracted, but we should be getting in the ear of players like Jetta and Rohan, tell them we'll double their salary if they'll demand a trade to adelaide, and ONLY adelaide. At the very least, it will force Sydney to pay these blokes more.

We've got all of Tippetts 800k four year contract sitting there. Lets target someone for gods sake. Instead of sitting here and cropping it from Sydney, lets show that they're not the only ones with buckets of cash. Tippett has now shown us exactly how to lure players back to Adelaide. Just have the player or management refuse to speak to port, or anyone else.
 

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If they don't think like that it's a problem with our club's management, i guarentee they think like that at Collingwood (as one obvious example)

Losing Tippett for nothing to Sydney is the worst case scenario, pick 23 and a list clogger is so close to effectively being nothing that i'd rather just roll the dice and hope someone else grabs him. (Or at least posture on that basis and increase the pressure on the Swans and Tippett to make a decent deal)
There are more than 23 good players in this draft. Better we try and get one of them than give away that opportunity out of spite. A bird in the hand and all that.

Im not pissed at the club, Im pissed at the AFl that comes up with a system that allows a player to effectively hold us to ransom. It's a particular issue for interstate clubs because of the "go home" factor. Clubs in Victoria are rarely in this position and when they are they are still in a stronger position because there's always Victorians playing interstate willing to come home. This is just another inequity in the system and unfortunately we have copped a fair whack in all of this.

Im with Carl on this in that we should look more to local talent, but Id go one step further and suggest that there needs to be some mechanism put into the draft system that gives us priority access to local talent. Perhaps a bidding system of some sort similar to the F/S rule. Whatever, the whole player movement framework needs to be overhauled, or else we will continue to be screwed.
 
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How about this

I, cammo6556, take you, missus cammo6656 to be my wedded wife. With deepest joy I receive you into my life that together we may see the crows once again win a flag. As is Sando to His body, the church, so I will be to you a loving and faithful husband. Always will I perform my headship over you even as Tex does over me, knowing that His Lordship is one of the holiest desires for my life. I promise you my deepest love, my fullest devotion, my tenderest care except during footy season when the crows are playing or any team for that matter. I promise I will live first unto the Crows rather than others or even you. I promise that I will lead our lives into a life of football and tapatalk and hope that Tippett goes to GWS. I pledge to you my life as a loving and faithful crows supporter.
 

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No one is close enough to make a full assessment on how Noble & co have handle the Tippett trade transaction

From the outside the only issue at this stage I have concern with is that we did not table the threat of redrafting Yoppett no matter how unlikely it was
 

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Long long long long time reader about to take the plunge. Here goes...

Probably already been mentioned but with Collingwood shipping Dawes off, and accumulating picks inside the top 25, is there a chance they'll make a darkhorse run at Tippett? I know the dog has just backed us into a corner again with that "I wont even go to GWS" call, but the Pies have seemed quietly keen for him all along.

His price tag is obviously an issue too. Could they afford him? And I think, as far as making a pitch to Tippett's management, surely all they'd have to do is say "yeah we know you love Sydney, but hey... we're Collingwood."

"Its not a million, but have 800 and a Lexus dealership..."

Also:

* Tippett's a dog
* I cant wait for Crouch
* McKernan will step up
* We need outside run around stoppages
* I hate Port
You had me at 'Other Teams: Norwood'
 

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There may well be more than 23 good players, will one of those 23 players be in our first 18 next year as we compete with the Swans (potentially in a finals setting)
If not we've strengthened them and weakened ourselves in the short-medium term
 

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How about this

I, cammo6556, take you, missus cammo6656 to be my wedded wife. With deepest joy I receive you into my life that together we may see the crows once again win a flag. As is Sando to His body, the church, so I will be to you a loving and faithful husband. Always will I perform my headship over you even as Tex does over me, knowing that His Lordship is one of the holiest desires for my life. I promise you my deepest love, my fullest devotion, my tenderest care except during footy season when the crows are playing or any team for that matter. I promise I will live first unto the Crows rather than others or even you. I promise that I will lead our lives into a life of football and tapatalk and hope that Tippett goes to GWS. I pledge to you my life as a loving and faithful crows supporter.
My Girlfriend added into her vows a few weeks ago: I... take you.... on the understanding that there will always be another man in my life, Jim Beam... (of course, she also walked up the aisle to the strains of the JAWS theme :D)
 
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