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This whole thing is bloody shambles.

If we did the wrong thing, we'll cop it on the chin, and move on. If the smug prick and his manager get de-registered, the whole thing has been worth it IMO.

You gotta love some Sydney fans on the main board wanting to be compensated for dealing "with liars and cheats". If they didn't know about the agreement, I'm a monkey's uncle.
 

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I don't think the 'agreement' was of our doing. Sounds very much like it was a gun to the head type of 'agreement'. In retrospect we should have told them to go jump. At the time it probably didn't seem that big a deal.
I reckon that someone (Trigg) had this perfect vision of announcing Kurt's contract extension at the 2009 B&F count. The perfect close to the season, the launching pad for 2010 to get members primed about signing up in record numbers.

The success of 2010 was going to make it all worthwhile. The ends was going to justify the means.

Reidy - just get him signed, whatever it takes. We're announcing it Friday.
 

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Come on Vader, power corrupts. AFGM is bloody annoying buy last time I looked smug arroagance wasn't soemthing you could be banned for or else we would have shit loads less posters on BF.
Glass houses and throwing stones come to mind. And I hate AFGM.
 
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The Joel Tippett stuff is clutching at straws a bit. Not only has it been common knowledge for a while, I doubt there was anything in this alternate agreement that we'd pay for his relocation while he was on the Suns list at the time. As such it's a payment to (not from) a third party AFTER the contract had been agreed to. Surely this is a slight extention from bringing parents across when their kid makes a debut.

We assist in housing relocation issues with many players. Could have presented an issue should we draft Joel.....draft tampring perhaps?

I have no doubt the AFL are examining every bit of the email correspondence, but ruely Reid is not that stupid to have ANYTHING re payments to Kurt in email...... and surely he wouldn't be the initiator?

I'm still tipping (no pun) a fine, no sanction re picks and no de-registration for Tippett.
 

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Of course we do, you need to get your head out of the sand.

We have gone from Sydney attempting to screw us over with the Tippett trade to now the AFL investigating the club into revealations that the Crows had forged a secretly written deal with Kurt management in 2009 that was never advised to the AFL. Also throw in that we were giving money to Joel Tippett without notifying/seeking clarification the AFL which should have been included on our cap.

Over the last 24 hours the administration of the club has gone being the potential victim at the hands of Tippett and Sydney at the trade table to now being exposed as an incompetant organisation that had signed off on a deal that they knew was outside of AFL regulations and the ramfications of which could be extremely detrimental to the short term future of the club.

I'm am not sure how anyone could argue that the whole saga hasn't taken a massive turn for the worst for our club over the last 24 hours.
Easy tiger. We really don't have anything particularly factual, surely Rucci is not all of a sudden a source of reliable information. Emma, who I have a lot of respect for, seems pretty much on the money, but even she doesn't have a clear indication of the nature of this agreement. I'm not saying we have done nothing wrong, we clearly have and it will probably cost someone a job. I still don't think we have a very clear picture of what has actually gone on. Id hate to be hung on the evidence we have to date.
 

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I agree, but relapse isnt alone on this.

Any notion of fact has been removed by both the media and this board. You only have to look at some of the articles which quote other articles turning the original article from speculation to truth, this is then reqouted here with the assumption that the two sources provide verification of fact rather than two instances of speculation and rumour .
Im not questioning the existence of an agreement nor am I questioning that the Crows in some way assisted Joel comming to Adelaide.
However there is no verification, at this stage that the Crows:
1) instigated/drafted and presented the agreement to the Tippett camp. In actual fact the fingers are pointing the other way.
2) that the Crows are paying or had paid Joel

Those statements at this stage of the game are incorrect and down right mischievous. I dont care if people like our administrators or not, but they should stop making this up and posting them as some sort of factual information.
 

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Realistically, Chapman should announce, TODAY, that Trigg has been stood down, pending a full investigation.
Sackings only happen that quickly when you're Matt Rendell.

And here's another little nugget in one of Caro's articles this morning.


http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...-deal-reid-20121024-285ve.html?skin=text-only
In August 2011, Trigg responded to The Age’s questions about the clause, saying: ‘‘I can’t talk to you about what’s in his contract, but he’s staying. That’s about as firm and blunt as I can make it. ‘‘Regardless of his contractual situation, we’re backing ourselves to keep him beyond the end of next year also.’’



Did you hear that folks? Tippett will be at Adelaide for as far as the eye can see.
 

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This whole thing is bloody shambles.

If we did the wrong thing, we'll cop it on the chin, and move on. If the smug prick and his manager get de-registered, the whole thing has been worth it IMO.

You gotta love some Sydney fans on the main board wanting to be compensated for dealing "with liars and cheats". If they didn't know about the agreement, I'm a monkey's uncle.
Of course Sydney knew, if you remember back when Caro first broke the story about 18 months ago. She said that the agreement was that the Crows would trade Tippett back for a second round draft pick which was apparently specified as a pick in the 20s.

For me I am struggling to believe that it's just a co-incidence that Sydney knew that by offering us pick 23 was going to be enough to get us to accept the deal (which is what was going to happen last Friday).
 

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Easy tiger. We really don't have anything particularly factual, surely Rucci is not all of a sudden a source of reliable information. Emma, who I have a lot of respect for, seems pretty much on the money, but even she doesn't have a clear indication of the nature of this agreement. I'm not saying we have done nothing wrong, we clearly have and it will probably cost someone a job. I still don't think we have a very clear picture of what has actually gone on. Id hate to be hung on the evidence we have to date.
That's true to an extent. The circumstantial evidence is pretty good though, and what really hurts is the fact that the club pretty much denied the existence of the agreement until it became obvious that it was going to come out, and then they ran cap in hand to the AFL. THe scary thought is that they were sanctioning the White + 23 trade apparatnlty only in order to hide the existence of the agreement. But as you say, we need to wait for the end of the AFL investigation to know for sure.
 

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Would be great to see AFC release a statement today that, in light of the pending investigation, they will not be entering into any further trade negotiations for Tippett with any third party. So worst case scenario, he gets deregistered for next year, and best case scenario, he goes to the draft and will be in limbo for the next 5 weeks. A fitting outcome for him.
 

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I reckon that someone (Trigg) had this perfect vision of announcing Kurt's contract extension at the 2009 B&F count. The perfect close to the season, the launching pad for 2010 to get members primed about signing up in record numbers.

The success of 2010 was going to make it all worthwhile. The ends was going to justify the means.

Reidy - just get him signed, whatever it takes. We're announcing it Friday.
Id say that's pretty much on the money. I honestly think they signed the agreement with the view that it would never actually have to be enforced and would never again see the light of day. Even as recently as last year Trigg and co were backing themselves to secure Tippet again this year.
 

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There is something Rotten about Blutcher

He managers Skully and landed father and son to GWS and now the Tippett saga

Both transactions have been managed poorly and been underpinned by factors outside of the AFL's protocols
he'd be on a percentage based commision i'd imagine, the more he gets for his clients, the more that line his pockets
 

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The whole sorry saga really makes you wonder why the Crows were so keen to sign him AGAIN this year, and on massive overs. Someone needed to have the balls to say see ya later, you're a good player but not worth the princess factor.

Keeping players like Kurt on contracts like the ones he signed in 09 and was begged to sign this year strip away the fabric of your club, which from the outside seems pretty solid.
 

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If we didn't do anything wrong, what have we gone running to the AFL to admit to?
I honestly think that the club believe our transgression to be at the minor end of the scale. I reckon they went to the AFL to try and prove it and clear the air so to speak. I get the feeling we have been getting a few 'please explains' from the AFL leading up to us trying to get what seems like a very odd trade through the system.
 

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Who cares who wrote it, the Crows agreed/signed to it so they are equally a party to the agreement as the poeple who drafted it. The Crows should have gone to the AFL for clarification, but for whatever reason they decided not to (more than likely for fear that the AFL would refuse it) so they just agreed to it and now they will be punished accordingly for it.

Yes it would be nice if we could use semantics to expell any blame from our club, but once the Crows agreed to the deal and was paying Joel without getting it clarified from the AFL they left the club wide open for criticism and potential punishment by the AFL.
So you have gone from stating the Crows instigated the agreement to "who cares".
You may not care but I will bet the AFL care, they will come down hard on the instigators of this agreement.
Can you also point us to a link or quote from the crows saying categorically they are paying or had paid Joel, again stop making this crap up.
I do agree that we should never have agreed/sign any document and any penalty they recieve will be of there own doing, I have no issue there, they were a party to all of this.
 
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If we lose Tippett plus our first rounder I will be sick. That would essentially be like losing 3 first rounders in one year. Even Carlton were not hit that badly.
Might want to look again. We were fined $930,000 (which crippled us financially and barred us from trading players in even should we have had selections to trade for).

Our actual draft penalties were:
  • Draft picks No. 1, 2, 31 and 34 from the 2002 National Draft
  • All draft picks in the 2003 Preseason Draft
  • Our first and second round draft picks in the 2003 National Draft (we finished 15th)
It ended up being picks 1, 2, 5, 21, 31, 34 and all picks (including pick 1) in the '03 PSD.

The years before we had traded in Steven Oreilly in '99 (we gave up our 1st and 2nd rounder at pick 16 and 46) and Corey Mckernan in '01 (again costing us our first and second round pick at 14 and 30).

Effectively our only 1st or 2nd round draft picks (combined) for the 5 years from 99-03 was in '00 when we drafted spuds in Livingston, Sporn and Wiggins.*

:(

OTT penalties plus trading away 1st + 2nd rounders in 99 and 01 and a swathe of retirements came together with a massive fine and an even more massive $8 million white elephant in the grandstand at Prince's Park.

Grab a tape of Carlton matches from 2002-06 and watch the results for yourself.

We werent tanking. We were just that shit.


* I should add the AFL magnanimously allowed us to keep our PP in '03 (Andrew Walker).
 

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The whole sorry saga really makes you wonder why the Crows were so keen to sign him AGAIN this year, and on massive overs. Someone needed to have the balls to say see ya later, you're a good player but not worth the princess factor.

Keeping players like Kurt on contracts like the ones he signed in 09 and was begged to sign this year strip away the fabric of your club, which from the outside seems pretty solid.
You might want to read this to see if it is as solid as it looks http://www.unambitiousus.com/sports/concerning-crows/
 

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I can't believe they come down like a tonne of bricks on Bernie Vince for harmless fun because it is bad for the club's image. What the hell does gross negligence do to the image of the club? If Trigg doesn't walk ........
And we sacked Rendell for bringing the Club into disrepute...

The hypocrisy is astounding.
 

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I would love to see a copy of the contract the club offered him this year.....which he promptly stalled, stalled and then eventually deferred to the end of the season to 'avoid distracting the team'.

I wonder what sort of 'clauses' were included?

  • His own personal concubine to feed him grapes and cater to his every whim?
  • A padded bubble, a PopeMobile of sorts (in a fishbowl shape of course) for him to travel around in, to minimise the chance of another concussion occurring in his activities of daily life? And to block out the sound of those 'pesky' Crows supporters bothering him, asking after his wellbeing?
  • A new reality show 'The Tippetts' (a la the Kardashians) to be filmed so every single member of his family could get in on the AFC payroll?
Never again AFC. Never never again.
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not trying to be a smart arse here, but The Club wasn't written by a South Australian

David Williamson is the playwrights name, magnificent one at that.

but yes, you are right, there are some parts of that story which are relevant today. Particularly, the president writing a personal check on behalf of his company to the gun Tasmanian player
Cultured bastard.
 
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