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Which AFC deserter were/are you most salty towards?

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Danair said:
Latest news.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/sydney-closes-in-on-tippett-deal-20121006-276dh.html
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mate the clause is a myth its been confirmed by the AFC and John Reid who negotiated Kurt's last contract

what was agreed to in form of a Gentleman's agreement and not by a formal clause is that if Kurt decised to move back to GC after this term of his contract the crows would look more favorably to a trade with a Qld based club as long as the deal was fair and reasonable

with this in mind given that the Swans are not a QLD based club this agreement in principle now becomes moot and it just shows what a "Pig Dog" Kurt's manager is by trying now to apply this to Sydney

memo to all Jurno's how about actually doing a bit of proper jurno work and checking the substance of information instead of running with Chinese Whispers
 

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fairfooty said:
Read what you wrote - your wink gives you away. Stop being so pedantic. I'm not the enemy and we're on the same side here. :)
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Yeah, you are giving me too much credit. It wasn't a ;) wink it was a WTF are you for real? o_O
 
Veale deal loophole is definitely closed....from Wikipedia
"The trading period also contained The Veale Deal, where unknown youngster Lochlan Veale was traded by Hawthorn to the Western Bulldogs in a lopsided three-way deal involving Essendon. In the deal Hawthorn gained Danny Jacobs, Essendon gained Mark Alvey and the number six selection in the draft and the Bulldogs officially only received Veale, but also gained an undertaking by Hawthorn that they would not trade Jade Rawlings to any other club, allowing the Bulldogs to select him with the first selection in the pre-season draft."

From memory North wanted Rawlings (and Rawlings wanted North because his brother was there????) so the 'deal' scuttled everyone else but Essendon, Bulldogs and Hawthorn. Considered draft tampering and now you can only trade a player for what he is (roughly) worth.

Can Sydney could trade a player to GWS for a swap of pre-season draft picks? For example....Lamb for pick one pre-season would not be an unreasonable trade (ignoring Tippett, you see)
 
What do people think of Tippett's manager? He really bugs me. He says he wants all parties involve get fair compensation but at the same time say that the crows should accept pick 23 or lose out. Not happy about his comments at all. As soon as Kurt stated he wanted to go to Sydney i knew this was a big disadvantage to getting a good deal. :mad:
 
Super sub said:
The reason it will be done quickly is because neither side can afford it to become protracted.

If the deal falls over on the 26th then both sides will have salary cap space to burn and no one to fill it.

When you are a chance to win a title that would be criminal.
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again how is this any different to any othe big trade, sooner is always better than later however they always drag on to the last possible moment and block the entire weeks activity
 
Mad Fan of AFL said:
What do people think of Tippett's manager[/B]? He really bugs me. He says he wants all parties involve get fair compensation but at the same time say that the crows should accept pick 23 or lose out. Not happy about his comments at all. As soon as Kurt stated he wanted to go to Sydney i knew this was a big disadvantage to getting a good deal. :mad:
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Knob Jockey
 
Mad Fan of AFL said:
What do people think of Tippett's manager? He really bugs me. He says he wants all parties involve get fair compensation but at the same time say that the crows should accept pick 23 or lose out. Not happy about his comments at all. As soon as Kurt stated he wanted to go to Sydney i knew this was a big disadvantage to getting a good deal. :mad:
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The man is a moron. He sounds like an absolute flog of the highest order.
 
Sharp9 said:
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BTW did you know Roos offered Richmond picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 in that draft? That's how much he wanted Dustin Martin...would have swapped Rohan and Jetta for him!!!
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Lots of fluff before and no-one is disagreeing on your assessment of Parker - just that we have plenty of his player type

But cutting to the chase your last paragraph says is all - thankyou!

I assume you also want Tippett that much ...so we'll have the same deal thanks
 
Sharp9 said:
A few thoughts....
Sydney is the fairest trading team in the history of the AFL. Unlike Essendon and Hawthorn we always take the interests of other clubs or unrequired players into account.

Example 1 - We gave Sean Dempster to St. Kilda for NOTHING!!!! Why? To be nice to him. Rather than put him on the open market where he was worth a second round pick we sent him to a team/coach where he would be a 22 player and under a coach he liked. (threw him in with Schneider trade)
Example 2 - We gave Scott Stevens to Adelaide for NOTHING!!!! (well a pick we didn't want to use)....see above.
Example 3 - We gave Essendon pick 19 for Ted Richards when he was on the cusp of being de-listed. Bombers thought all their Christmas' had come at once. They got Courtney Dempsey :)
Example 4 - We gave Melbourne Pick 15 for their 3rd string ruckman (Darren Jolly)...they thought all their Christmas' had come at once. We got 5 years years of Jolly and on-traded his pick for Lewis Jetta.....Melbourne got Lynden Dunn
Example 5 - We gave St.Kilda picks 13 and 17 and 45 for Hall (Dal Santo, James Kelly (Geelong) and Trent Knobel)

Now let's get real about the value of some of our players. If Luke Parker were in the draft every single team would take him in the top 10.... Examples of recent similar players taken 5-10 who have made it....Cunnington, Polec, Conca, Melksham, Heppel, Myers, J. Selwood, Armitage, Ziebell. And then there are the ones who don't make it. Parker is 19 FFS in only his second year. It is likely that at the end of their careers on Selwood would be above him. There is no way in the world that any club would punt on an 18 year draftee inside mid instead of having Parker who is a dead-set certainty. Had his jaw broken in round one...played on. Came back in 2 weeks to get 4 Brownlow votes before breaking collarbone.....came back in 6 weeks to be a premiership player.

Not that I'm offering him for trade - but at least try and understand his value.

Jed Lamb is not a spud - he is a very, very talented Stevie J type...but quicker....several BOGs late this year after overcoming injuries.

Tommy Walsh is not a spud...he's coming along very nicely.....kicking plenty of goals in 2nds and would be getting a clear run at a lesser club.

Heath Grundy is only a year older than Tippett. 101 kg key defender who was in the calculations of many, many commentators during All-Australian discussions (you don't have SEN in Adelaide but they sometimes discuss players from outside Adelaide). Considering that Rutten is nearly dead and Shaw and Talia are practically teenagers, I'd say that he has more than passing currency.

Of course who you would really want is Rohan or Jetta :) - Um, sorry, pass.

BTW did you know Roos offered Richmond picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 in that draft? That's how much he wanted Dustin Martin...would have swapped Rohan and Jetta for him!!!
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Not going to argue with you about Sydney's trading with us; they have generally been good.
But out of the players you mention, Walsh doesn't cut it for me (we aren't a lesser club), Grundy has said he hates the Crows (and we don't need him), Lamb would only be the steak knives (as others have said on here), which leaves Parker on your list. But what about Johnson? The Crows were asking about him last year from memory.
 
Harris Pilton said:
We'd pay the same if we could. We've developed him beautifully. His kicking seems to be sorted. He's entering his prime and is on the verge of becoming a monster. (Barring further head-knocks.)
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his kicking seems to be sorted :p

and know we wouldn't pay $1m per year, if we would have been prepared to pay this we would have not signed the likse Henderson or D-Mac in preference of offering Kurt a mega contract
 

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Wayne's-World said:
do people think Mediation will be the only way this deal will be done ......cause I think Sydney know his value and will come to the table quicker than most think
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No I don't and I hope it doesn't get to that level and they give us what we deserve without it
 
Mad Fan of AFL said:
What do people think of Tippett's manager? He really bugs me. He says he wants all parties involve get fair compensation but at the same time say that the crows should accept pick 23 or lose out. Not happy about his comments at all. As soon as Kurt stated he wanted to go to Sydney i knew this was a big disadvantage to getting a good deal. :mad:
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He obviously thinks he can't lose regardless of the result. Yep he's a figjam.

Behaviour breeds behaviour and all his talk about him expecting the AFC to behave honourably whilst he, KT and the swans screw us better not be how this situation unfolds. We posters can see it is wrong and no doubt so can the AFC.

If we have to play hardball then so be it and we'll see who is smug at the end of the negotiation. We have three weeks to get fair compensation. I hope we have poker players at the trade table with their game face on.
 
Wayne's-World said:
do people think Mediation will be the only way this deal will be done ......cause I think Sydney know his value and will come to the table quicker than most think
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Just a lot of huffing and puffing going on by fans on here at the moment. No one knows how either side will act until negotiations begin. But you'd think both sides would realize its in their interests to work out a fair deal that satisfies both sides.
 
Super sub said:
The way I see it Adelaide need this deal done quickly. Tippett has given them room in their salary cap and they will need to know what they have if they are to take advantage of it. If this deal gets complicated (3 or even 4 way trade) then time will be lost and Adelaide will be left with room in their salary cap and picks but no one to use it on.

Like Adelaide, Sydney need to know if they can trade or they move on and use their cap space on someone else.

Sydney will want to give their first round pick (23) for Tippett and the crows will want a top 10 and a player. They will then probably settle on pick 23 and a player. Who the player is will be interesting.

The likelihood of Sydney or Adelaide trying a 3 or 4 way deal is remote. In past years other clubs have used their involvement to actually scuttle deals. It is not in any other clubs interest to hel the swans or crows improve their lists. Both clubs are realistic chances next year and any deal here will help both clubs.

Expect the deal to be done in the first week or we both miss out. You won't get a first round pick and a player and we miss out on the power forward.
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You keep telling yourself that. There are 3 weeks in the trade period so there is plenty of time to get it done. This will be multi team trade because you guys don't have what we want. Deal with it!
 

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Super sub said:
Sorry. That makes the assumption that you will get what you want. And when you say "we" I am assuming you mean the crows.
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Of course the Crows will get what they want - or the deal won't happen. Pretty simple really.
 
And while we're at, everyone can stop bandying White around as part of the deal. You have rocks in your head if you think we would take another Queenslander who gets homesick for Southport and wants to go home :rolleyes:
 
Adelaide don't need the deal done quickly. We KNOW we have cap room because Tippett is gone no matter what.
 
on a side note Tippett will be under massive pressure and scrutiny to perform

the precent has been set with Plugger & Big Bad Barry, the Sydney faithful expect consistent quality output from their high profile signings to which I am not convinced $Kurt Yippett can deliver

if Kurt does not produce a spike on his form in his previous contract he might end up being tagged as the AFL's most over-rated player

Kurt may not be able to handle this expectation & by mid season the Sydney faithful may be wondering why they paid and gave away so much for him
 
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