Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING

[SpeciousArgument]

I think you've got that the wrong way around, if Trigg was the only one to know the others more than likely wouldn't have wanted to do the deal. If he said yes then he would have to justify it.Caro said Rendell wanted to do it but he thought Tippett would leave, apparently Harper and Trigg said no.

I guess i have trouble with conspiracies if there are simpler explanations and it all seems a little convoluted.

So if trigg knew of the side deal and wanted to keep it secret, he would have been happy for the deal with brisbane to take place, but he had to pretend he didnt so others at the club wouldnt find out? big risk to take, being able to hold onto tippett after him wanting to go in 09 and again in 11.

Didnt Trigg claim to have notified the board some time ago? was this before the 11 trade period? was this just bf rumour?

I DONT KNOW WHATS REAL ANYMORE!!!

 

[Sanders]

Thought you guys might be interested in the Lions' perspective on Kurt:

How I wish Steven & co. respected the supporters enough to engage with them honestly like this.

What a great article and I loved that they spoke about a player they wanted & didn't get (delaney).

 

[Draft Bored]

How I wish Steven & co. respected the supporters enough to engage with them honestly like this.

What a great article and I loved that they spoke about a player they wanted & didn't get (delaney).

Totally agree. What a great read!

 

[Elite Crow]

But did it need to be quoted for the 4th time? Takes up the whole page

 

[BACCS]

How I wish Steven & co. respected the supporters enough to engage with them honestly like this.

What a great article and I loved that they spoke about a player they wanted & didn't get (delaney).

I've never seen a list manager be so honest about that from any club (nothing to do with our club not respecting the supporters), was an awesome read!

 

[whatboutbob]

I've never seen a list manager be so honest about that from any club (nothing to do with our club not respecting the supporters), was an awesome read!

For those who haven't read it, here's Kerr's trade wrap from last year:


And just to rub in the awesomeness of open communication, Kerr's 2011 draft wrap:

http://www.brisbanelionsfoundation.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/5085/newsid/126650/default.aspx

 

[TIPPETT IS AMAZING]

Wow

 

[SpeciousArgument]

Wow

may i suggest a selection of many fine memes that may be more appropriate for your avatar?

 

[Godallblighty]

Very impressive from Rob Kerr.

 

[Mego Red]

You would expect that, all things being equal, Melbourne's tanking penalty should be greater than ours. Tanking is the biggest risk to the integrity of the competition (apart from blatant, sustained salary cap abuse of the Storm variety - we have not done this).

I suspect that Vlad will squib the Melbourne penalty to protect his own position, which could indirectly help us.

Melbourne make this VERY interesting. They don't want to kill that club for all time by giving them a punishment similar to that in the past.

Which makes me believe this might be the time where AFL changes policy, and goes hard after the individuals who have been fraudulent. instead of punishing the club more broadly.

Still achieves the same ends of discouraging this from ever happening again.

 

[Mego Red]

Would Brisbane have taken over his dodgy contract? I'm still thinking that the reason we baulked at the Brisbane trade was that the only chance of burying the soul-selling contract was to re-sign him.

He didn't have a dodgy contract. He had a dodgy sideletter. He probably had a whole range of side deals that they would have no responsibility for. We can't trade our dodgy side deals to others. We can only trade our AFL submitted contract to another AFL club.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Looks like the Port crowd at that Showdown last year when Port were getting belted

 

[Iva Bigun]

Melbourne make this VERY interesting. They don't want to kill that club for all time by giving them a punishment similar to that in the past.

Which makes me believe this might be the time where AFL changes policy, and goes hard after the individuals who have been fraudulent. instead of punishing the club more broadly.

Still achieves the same ends of discouraging this from ever happening again.

What's your thoughts Kristoff, will Melbourne lose the No4 pick, is that too harsh or about right?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

He didn't have a dodgy contract. He had a dodgy sideletter. He probably had a whole range of side deals that they would have no responsibility for. We can't trade our dodgy side deals to others. We can only trade our AFL submitted contract to another AFL club.

Presumably though the Tippett camp would have said this is the contract plus we have this 3rd party guarantee. Are Brisbane happy to do the same?

Had the trade progressed that is.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

funny how everyone is saying that he's crap now.
but the same people wanted 2 first round picks for him...

Yeah, I don't get this either. I'm pissed off with how $kurt, the Butcher, Trigg and Reid made a dodgy deal and how $kurt and the Butcher handled his attempted trade to Sydney. The whole thing is a train wreck that has been handled badly by all parties.

However, I still think $kurt is a very good (but not great) footballer and the Crows are a better side with him in the team compared to Jenkins or McKernan. I don't think either of these players will reach the level that $kurt has reached.

$kurt's contested marking is elite. When he does not mark the ball he almost always ensures that his opponent doesn't, creating opportunities for our crumbing forwards. His ruckwork is passable and he has pretty good agility at ground level for a player of his size.

On the other hand, his kicking for goal from within 30m is below average and his tackling definitely needs improvement. If he could improve just those 2 areas of his game and maybe his ruckwork) he would be on his way to being an elite footballer.

In many ways it is much like Taylor Walker this year went from being a promising good footballer to a likely elite footballer. The only difference with Walker is that he is a bit younger than $kurt and his areas that needed improvement were tackling, contested marking and defensive efforts.

I think the change in tune from people is an attitude akin to when you are dumped by your significant other, "So he doesn't want me huh. Well I'm better off without him anyway." In most cases this is just a defence mechanism to make people feel better about the situation at hand.

 

[cmndstab]

100% correct. It's kind of embarrassing actually how people are now convinced that Tippett was never a good player.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Given the risk of the dodgy side deal being made public and the fact that $kurt was happy to be traded to Brisbane just last year, it really does seem a dumb that Trigg backed the Crows to re-sign $kurt again this year. Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess.

Regarding Rob Kerr's musings about trade week, while I think they are awesome, I would be a little bit concerned as a staff member that he was 'showing' Brisbane's hand to the opposition a little.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

100% correct. It's kind of embarrassing actually how people are now convinced that Tippett was never a good player.

I think what some people are posting and what they actually think are 2 separate things. Either that or they are posting based on their emotions surrounding this situation, rather than thinking it through in a more rational fashion.

 

[PrideOf]

Very impressive from Rob Kerr.

Yeah, now that's impressive communication from a club.

Sadly, I reckon that what's our club thinks it's doing when they review their own communication.

 

[skoobydoo]

Given the risk of the dodgy side deal being made public and the fact that $kurt was happy to be traded to Brisbane just last year, it really does seem a dumb that Trigg backed the Crows to re-sign $kurt again this year. Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess.

Regarding Rob Kerr's musings about trade week, while I think they are awesome, I would be a little bit concerned as a staff member that he was 'showing' Brisbane's hand to the opposition a little.

Agree. I thought about the info Kerr is putting out and I came to the conclusion that with all the to & fro of negotiation etc , and dealing with agents,(he quotes 75 phone calls re one trade on one day!) most clubs would have a pretty good idea of where each are with wants. Reckon he would keep under wraps the longer term intentions for junior players etc. But talk about providing information and showing feel-good inclusiveness to supporters!!!....maybe Brisbane can be my second team!

 

[DJ75]

isn't what Kerr has done the same as what used to get Rendell in trouble? - oversharing.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Agree. I thought about the info Kerr is putting out and I came to the conclusion that with all the to & fro of negotiation etc , and dealing with agents,(he quotes 75 phone calls re one trade on one day!) most clubs would have a pretty good idea of where each are with wants. Reckon he would keep under wraps the longer term intentions for junior players etc. But talk about providing information and showing feel-good inclusiveness to supporters!!!....maybe Brisbane can be my second team!

I agree with you in terms of the amount of negotiations going on allowing clubs to see what other clubs are like anyway. However, as a staff member I'd still be a little worried that they are being a bit too transparent. As a supporter it is great though. It's exactly the sort of thing you want to know.

 

[skoobydoo]

Walker
Tippett
Brown
Cloke
Hurley
Pavlich
Hawkins
Podsiadly
Franklin
Roughead
Clark
Petrie
Schulz
Riewoldt
Riewoldt
Kennedy

12 is probably a little thin. I'd have 16 as 'genuinely good' though he may have ruled out the older ones.

Hmmm....Geelong 2, Hawthorn 2, and Crows 2 (minus 1)

 

[BrissyCrow]

Yeah, I don't get this either. I'm pissed off with how $kurt, the Butcher, Trigg and Reid made a dodgy deal and how $kurt and the Butcher handled his attempted trade to Sydney. The whole thing is a train wreck that has been handled badly by all parties.

However, I still think $kurt is a very good (but not great) footballer and the Crows are a better side with him in the team compared to Jenkins or McKernan. I don't think either of these players will reach the level that $kurt has reached.

$kurt's contested marking is elite. When he does not mark the ball he almost always ensures that his opponent doesn't, creating opportunities for our crumbing forwards. His ruckwork is passable and he has pretty good agility at ground level for a player of his size.

On the other hand, his kicking for goal from within 30m is below average and his tackling definitely needs improvement. If he could improve just those 2 areas of his game and maybe his ruckwork) he would be on his way to being an elite footballer.

In many ways it is much like Taylor Walker this year went from being a promising good footballer to a likely elite footballer. The only difference with Walker is that he is a bit younger than $kurt and his areas that needed improvement were tackling, contested marking and defensive efforts.

I think the change in tune from people is an attitude akin to when you are dumped by your significant other, "So he doesn't want me huh. Well I'm better off without him anyway." In most cases this is just a defence mechanism to make people feel better about the situation at hand.

Last year I was against keeping Tippett because of the "so called" exit clause. I also stated that I didnt feel he was an elite player and that he needed to become stronger especially as he was being targetted in marking contests. I still maintain those thoughts. However since alot of additional information has come to light such as Tippett reluctantly signing in 2009 and still wanting to be traded in 2011 I cant understand the club not trading him in 2011.

Most should agree that Tippett is a good player and can do some exciting things BUT most would also agree that Tippett was one of our most inconsistent players. When he was good he was very good and when he was bad he was very bad. Could this inconsistency be explained by his lack of desire to stay in Adelaide? Was his inconsistency due to his wanting to get out? I believe it answers some of the reasons for him performances.

Lets hope that the AFC learns from this. When we have a player that shows some talent but shows no real enthusiasm to remain in the environment then we know we have an issue and we need to manage it carefully in the hope that the player will change. But once it becomes obvious that he still wants to go we shouldnt throw the world at his feet. We shouldn't offer what we cant afford. You cant buy attitude. Its best to move the guy on whilst we still have some control.

 

[Tex200]

100% correct. It's kind of embarrassing actually how people are now convinced that Tippett was never a good player.

Disagree with this and other similar posts.

Tippett, imo, is not, was not a particularly good player. He is however quite a valuable player and there is a difference. He plays a role not many can, especially now with the sub rule. He plays it competently but inconsistently.
He can't be compared to greats like Carey. Or even good current players like Franklin, Brown or even Petrie.

Statistically he is the equivalent of Ian Perrie. He has never threatened a club champion award, AA honours, media awards. Not even the Agars award. I can think of 2 games out of almost 100 where he has dominated

He is an average player that plays a role few in the modern game can. That's why he is valuable and worth 2x 1st rounders.

It's perfectly legitimate to hold an opinion he is an average player while also asking for proper trade value. Simple laws of supply and demand.

Imo history will eventually judge mckernan as the better of the 2 players.