To all the North Haters

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To all you clowns out there who seem to be getting some satisfaction from North's obvious financial troubles, I would like you to try something new -----THINK.

It doesn't matter how much you dislike an opposition club (probably because they beat you with some regularity), the loss of any club from this competition is a loss to the whole competition, and don't think you can sit back with a smug expression on your face, thinking it can never happen to you.

The AFL is composed of 16 clubs, and a club dying is the worst possible thing that could happen to the AFL. I am extremely disappointed with the current situation, and I have grave concerns about the way in which it has been mismanaged, but that should not be cause for you to feel good.

If it is, then you are clearly too stupid to see the bigger picture, and I am wasting my time explaining it to you.

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Well said CIK, I dislike the Roos as much as the next person, but would never want to see them fold.......anyway, aren't all 16 teams guaranteed for the next 6 years with the TV rights?
 

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CIK, I totally agree with you!!!!!! I mean, I'll be the first to admit that I don't particularly love the Kangaroos, but I wouldn't want to see them disappear. I mean, I'm not one who sits back and thinks it will never happen to my team (coz it already has) but look at it this way - you guys still have time to get out there and make some money.
I wish the club all the best. The Kangaroos are one of the most successful clubs in recent times, I think you guys deserve more support all round. Especially financially.

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Agreed Jacs.....

I would not want any other supporter to go thru what we went thru during 1996 - even if my team wasn't short of money - the loss of it was horrible.

I was concerned to read the connotations earlier today about a 'tin rattle' - I read the article as in it was a psuedo tin rattle - not actually rattling tins - but getting extra revenue from a new membership category for the elite. Did I read that wrong?
 

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As the last couple of reply's have pointed out, despite North being "hated" for various reasons, supporters of rival club aren't so blinkered as to wish their enemies the worst fate of all. I would think the replies would have been the same for the dogs since we are in a very similar situation- i.e. hated for scratching/tactics controversies etc. coupled with a problematic financial position which leaves us as easy targets to people that have nothing better to do.

But unfortunately, they're are people out there who (for some pretty f*cked up reasons) get perverse pleasure out of seeing clubs like yours and mine on the brink.
Various reasons they do it could be:

  • Interstaters getting "enjoyment" out of seeing these circumstances, because of their 'anti-Victorian-competition' stance- i.e.... seeing it as an opportunity for insterstate clubs to get set up, aiming for a more balanced national competition.
  • because of vindictive/jeoulous reasoning due to North's success on the field and off it given what they have had to work with.... in contrast to many other "rich" clubs who have been clearly inferior in that regard, especially when considering the wealth/facilities they have at their feet.
  • being just pricks/dickheads who lack compassion, and as you pointed out, just plain don't think about what it would be like to have their club in that situation.
    Because it aint effecting them directly, they try to ridicule/belittle whoever is in a worse position. When it hits them, they will be appealing to the hearts/wallets of supporters of other clubs.
Anyone who LOVES to see a club struggling, for whatever reason, loves to see a teams' supporters suffer for whatever reason, love to inflict pain/belittle these clubs' supporters for whatever reason, can go to hell as far as i'm concerned.


As hard as it must sound, supporters of our financially weaker clubs should just ignore 'em, because these weak-minded souls who can't argue you on valid points, who need to resort to this kind of shit to "get-at" you, are weak as piss.

BTW C-I-K: Don't take this the wrong way, and obviously you have no need to justify it with an answer, but, are you gonna be in it for the long haul?
 

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Westy Boy - yes, my response would be exactly the same if it was the Doggies, you're right there.
As Danni said, some of us have been there, and wouldn't wish that on anyone.

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Westy,
I don't take offence at your question. Yes, I am in for the "long haul" and I will kick money in. We are not dead yet, not by a long way.
(I understand why you ask that question, but the Fitzroy situation was different.)

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Originally posted by TD:
Well said CIK, I dislike the Roos as much as the next person, but would never want to see them fold.......anyway, aren't all 16 teams guaranteed for the next 6 years with the TV rights?
No, TD, those duplicitous bastards at the AFL have said there will be 16 clubs in the competition for at least the next 5 years, but they neglected to say WHICH 16 clubs. It would not surprise me to see them talking to some interstate club if North falter.



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Originally posted by Carey_is_King:

I understand why you ask that question, but the Fitzroy situation was different.
Actually, I was referring to some comments that you made on the North board, saying that you would feel less inclined to follow North once Carey retired in a few years time. I recall reading it a while back, so I could be wrong, apologies if I've taken your remarks out of context.
 

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Originally posted by TD:
Well said CIK, I dislike the Roos as much as the next person, but would never want to see them fold.......anyway, aren't all 16 teams guaranteed for the next 6 years with the TV rights?

TD, the guarantee says there must be 16 teams, it does not say who those teams must be.

CIK, someone once said something like this, (wish I could find the actual quote)
"The quality of your opposition determines your own greatness, if you vanquish only the weak, you too are weak, but if you conquer the mightiest, you are proclaimed the strongest and the best"

I want the other 15 teams to be great on and off-field, so that my teams triumph is all the better.

No-one wishes ill on the Roos, but they cannot allow significant losses to continually occur over an extended time frame, if they do, they lose the power of decision making, and self rule.


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Oh that. Yes I said that when Carey retired, I would lose some degree of interest in football, period. I would still follow North though.

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Originally posted by Asgardian:

TD, the guarantee says there must be 16 teams, it does not say who those teams must be.

CIK, someone once said something like this, (wish I could find the actual quote)
"The quality of your opposition determines your own greatness, if you vanquish only the weak, you too are weak, but if you conquer the mightiest, you are proclaimed the strongest and the best"

I want the other 15 teams to be great on and off-field, so that my teams triumph is all the better.

No-one wishes ill on the Roos, but they cannot allow significant losses to continually occur over an extended time frame, if they do, they lose the power of decision making, and self rule.


Apart from this year Asgardian, can you tell me what other years we have made a loss. The way i read your post you are saying that we continually make a loss, would I be right?.
 

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well cik i for one would hate to see any club disappear footy is in our blood and to see any supporter lose the one thing that makes all of us equal would be devistating to say the least but i have said it before the afl while saying they wont "push" for a club to fold we know how they have worked i nthe past with hidden agenda,s while they keep feeding the likes of syd and brissy they will just sit back and watch the struggling melb sides
try and suvive the next season.
anyway good luck to the kanga,s i hope they prove all those poeple out there who would love to see the club fold.
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Why was Fitzroy different, C_I_K?

Good luck to the Roos, I hated them when we were around, but I sure never wanted them out. You've gottah have someone to loathe. If you like everybody, then you're no longer special.

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Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer:
Why was Fitzroy different, C_I_K?

Mobs,
I am reluctant to get into this again, but I would just say that Fitzroy were dead long before they were buried. They were financially insolvent and their agony was prolonged by Dyson Hore-Lacy and his ego trip. (From my perspective, he is still feeding off the corpse.) There was a point - from memory in about 1992 - when Fitzroy were beyond redemption. They had no money, large debt which they could not service, and their playing list had been depleted over the years to the point where success on the field was almost impossible. They were virtually on life-support for no reason other than to prolong the inevitable.
North have not reached anything like that, as they are successful on the field, have an innovative administration, the best player in the history of the game and the best coach. There are many things working in their favour, but I would still like to hear an explanation as to how the administrators can be surprised by their trading result. That smacks of incompetence from my perspective, but I will wait to see what they have to say.



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I tend to agree CIK

how could the North Admin be suprised at the result. I read they thought it would be about half that. What is going on ????

They just let the club run in tself...not check the bank balance until the end of the year and then look in amazment that they don't have any money, that smells like incompetance to me.

Now that does remind me of Fitzroy....where the $800,000 raised in tins went entirely to an "unexpected" $800,000 loss.

At the risk of being alone, I have no particular attachment to North as a club, and in reality the world for me would not be that much different if they went under, I won't publicly advocate that they do go down, but they are a football club....just like hundreds of other clubs which disolve, merge, relocate every year. Norht supporters (members) should and will do everything they can to support their club (they are a long way off dead yet), but at the end of the day, to me, they are no more significant than University, Woodville, North Adelaide, 250 country clubs and leagues which simply disappear.

should I duck now ???

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Thanks for your answer, C_I_K, that's all I needed to know.

ptw, Australian taxpayers should be compulsorily taxed to fund football teams. They should never have to raise a cent of it themselves, none of them.

Folk withholding these taxes should be hung. There would be no greater crime.

Possibly exaggerating through passion ... it'll pass.

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