To all you CC Knockers

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All you CC knockers have not got a clue. He is the best coach in the business and just look at his track record. He is a very successful coach.

- Taken wooden spooners to their first top 8 finishes ever.
- Has a better win/loss record than any other coach except Lee Mathews.
- Has the team nicely poised to make the top four in the second half of the season and a possible first GF appearance?
- Although there have been a lot of injuries he has built the squad to have real depth for the first time ever.
- Regarded by Dermot Brereton as the best development coaches in the game.
- Regarded by Dennis Commetti as one of the best football minds in the game.

Football is changing and now becoming more like a chess game. CC is leading the way and his recruiting has will pay dividends very shortly.

Give him the respect and credit he deserves. He should have his contract extended to 2010 as a minimum and he is a country mile in front of any of the others. This includes Pagan, Sheedy, Washfold, Willams etc etc

Freo will beat Swans this weekend and be on track for that GF.
 

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All you CC knockers have not got a clue. He is the best coach in the business and just look at his track record. He is a very successful coach.

- Taken wooden spooners to their first top 8 finishes ever.
- Has a better win/loss record than any other coach except Lee Mathews.
- Has the team nicely poised to make the top four in the second half of the season and a possible first GF appearance?
- Although there have been a lot of injuries he has built the squad to have real depth for the first time ever.
- Regarded by Dermot Brereton as the best development coaches in the game.
- Regarded by Dennis Commetti as one of the best football minds in the game.

Football is changing and now becoming more like a chess game. CC is leading the way and his recruiting has will pay dividends very shortly.

Give him the respect and credit he deserves. He should have his contract extended to 2010 as a minimum and he is a country mile in front of any of the others. This includes Pagan, Sheedy, Washfold, Willams etc etc

Freo will beat Swans this weekend and be on track for that GF.
Sorry mate but i disagree with you here alot. We have a list that is top 4.

Nobody doubts he is a great development coach, but he is not hard enough.

Have you seen the players we have out at the moment. We will be lucky to score on the weekend. We have no chance at the top 4. We might make the 8. I really think this week will be our worst loss for the year :cool:
 

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Oh i just noticed the person just joined with a solid one post.
I take what i said back, it's probably an eagles supporter :)
 

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All you CC knockers have not got a clue. He is the best coach in the business and just look at his track record. He is a very successful coach.

- Taken wooden spooners to their first top 8 finishes ever.
- Has a better win/loss record than any other coach except Lee Mathews.
- Has the team nicely poised to make the top four in the second half of the season and a possible first GF appearance?
- Although there have been a lot of injuries he has built the squad to have real depth for the first time ever.
- Regarded by Dermot Brereton as the best development coaches in the game.
- Regarded by Dennis Commetti as one of the best football minds in the game.

Football is changing and now becoming more like a chess game. CC is leading the way and his recruiting has will pay dividends very shortly.

Give him the respect and credit he deserves. He should have his contract extended to 2010 as a minimum and he is a country mile in front of any of the others. This includes Pagan, Sheedy, Washfold, Willams etc etc

Freo will beat Swans this weekend and be on track for that GF.
Spot on Dwayo. The bigest thing that we have to fight against is the supporters that suffer from "Eagle envy" when all the fact and stats show that we are probablty 1-2 years behind them in development and in their own well meaning way are going to derail us.

The very fact thatwe have so many player out and can still field a competitive team is testament to how far we have come.

I just loved it when Dunstall called us the frauds as it is actually as backhanded compliement.
 

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your far too soft ripper. ;)
Your partly right, considering our injuries we have done ok.
But if we finish 10th at the end of the year and look back and say, well we did well this year considering our injuries your kidding yourself.

At the end of the day you get judged on results, not should of or could of beens.

I would suggest 70% of freo supporters don't think CC is good enough to take us to the top. 20% think he is, and the rest aren't sure
 

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your far too soft ripper. ;)
Your partly right, considering our injuries we have done ok.
But if we finish 10th at the end of the year and look back and say, well we did well this year considering our injuries your kidding yourself.

At the end of the day you get judged on results, not should of or could of beens.

I would suggest 70% of freo supporters don't think CC is good enough to take us to the top. 20% think he is, and the rest aren't sure
I am a realist. You go though our best 22 vs WCE's best 22 position for position and compare games played and you will get a huge surprise.


To build a team for a shot at the flag (and that is the only thing thing that will get us respect) you need 28+ AFL ready players. We are only just starting to get that.

Nothing soft about it . I want them to have the time to "do it once and do it right".
 

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I would suggest 70% of freo supporters don't think CC is good enough to take us to the top. 20% think he is, and the rest aren't sure
no offence mate, but pulling worthless statistics out your bum is never going to win you an argument.
 

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All you CC knockers have not got a clue. He is the best coach in the business and just look at his track record. He is a very successful coach.

- Taken wooden spooners to their first top 8 finishes ever.
- Has a better win/loss record than any other coach except Lee Mathews.
- Has the team nicely poised to make the top four in the second half of the season and a possible first GF appearance?
- Although there have been a lot of injuries he has built the squad to have real depth for the first time ever.
- Regarded by Dermot Brereton as the best development coaches in the game.
- Regarded by Dennis Commetti as one of the best football minds in the game.

Football is changing and now becoming more like a chess game. CC is leading the way and his recruiting has will pay dividends very shortly.

Give him the respect and credit he deserves. He should have his contract extended to 2010 as a minimum and he is a country mile in front of any of the others. This includes Pagan, Sheedy, Washfold, Willams etc etc

Freo will beat Swans this weekend and be on track for that GF.
dont hurt me ip

but.. LMAO :D
 

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Oh i just noticed the person just joined with a solid one post.
I take what i said back, it's probably an eagles supporter :)
Wrong, I used to post on Dockerland regularly but copped the usual Shane tampering and will only post on Big Footy from now on.

I have total faith in CC and where he is taking the club. We will be playing finals footy this year and when we get our best 22 on the park, watch out.
 

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Wrong, I used to post on Dockerland regularly but copped the usual Shane tampering and will only post on Big Footy from now on.

I have total faith in CC and where he is taking the club. We will be playing finals footy this year and when we get our best 22 on the park, watch out.
You mean like the pathetic fadeouts against St Kilda and the toast? Or like the total obliteration against Richmond?
 

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You mean like the pathetic fadeouts against St Kilda and the toast? Or like the total obliteration against Richmond?
The players do not follow CC game plan - not CC direct fault. Do you have faith in CC? A true supporter should.
 

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The players do not follow CC game plan - not CC direct fault. Do you have faith in CC? A true supporter should.
Not particularly. He's let me down too many times in the past. But I still show up to games and yell my lungs out. My apologies if that doesn't make me a true supporter.

And if the problem is that the players aren't following his gameplan, why hasn't he done more about it? We're playing soft, unaccountable football, and have been for ages. Why hasn't he worked on this in the off season? If he has, then it just goes to show that he can't coach, because whatever he's done has had no effect.
 

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Answer this. If CC is not the problem, are you admitting the problem lies with the players?? It has to be one of them. If it is the players, does that mean your admitting serious inadequacies in your list??
 

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The players do not follow CC game plan - not CC direct fault. Do you have faith in CC? A true supporter should.
heavan forbid the players not listening to the the coach, oh woe is me what is Chris to do? What does every other coach in history do ? you sir have no idea. why is a coach a coach? think about that!
 

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It's starting to make sense.

All the outsiders (eg Dunstall) who have a stab at Fremantle. It's got to do with the national obsession with tipping.

If you're in the top few of your tipping comp or even winning you are 'the man' (or woman) you can pretend to everyone that you know your footy. You will win the money and get bragging rights.

Then Freo comes along. :p The gun tippers are down the shoot. Blame Chris-bloody-Connelly "he's got a top four team". He keeps on losing at Subi. He wins away games. Chris-bloody-Connelly. Messed up my cred boo boo :D

Tipsters almost understand what its like to be Fremantle supporter. :cool:

On topic though.... good 1st post dwayo. A little bit optomistic but the gist of it I aggree with.
 
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Like someone has mentioned already on paper we are a top 4 side, across the field from backline to midfield to forward we are strong, even the eagles cant claim that.
Lacking a bit in the ruck but still capable.
Conolly simply hasnt been able to get the boys to perform, one look at the performance against the Dees and Cats at their home ground highlights what we can do on our day and our true position on the ladder.
Not making the 8 and he has to go without doubt.
Not making top 4 I would give him one more year to get us to top 4 if I am in a good mood.
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I still believe that CC is still on the right track and the best coach in the AFL by a country mile. If it had not been the injuries to key players, we would be in the top 4 right now. The first half of the season was the hard part of the draw and the second part is far easier.

We beat Sydney this weekend and we are in the mix again and I still believe we will make top 4 by the end of the season. This and a full squad we are a GF prospect.
 

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I still believe that CC is still on the right track and the best coach in the AFL by a country mile. If it had not been the injuries to key players, we would be in the top 4 right now. The first half of the season was the hard part of the draw and the second part is far easier.

We beat Sydney this weekend and we are in the mix again and I still believe we will make top 4 by the end of the season. This and a full squad we are a GF prospect.
An opinion nonetheless, even if incredibly delusional.
 

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You do not rate him as a good coach. What justification or facts do you have to prove otherwise?? Look at his record.
There's 2 debatable issues other than the rhetoric of injuries etc affecting team performance namely

- the coach, and
- the team

You can look at it from a range perspectives, which I believe fall into 4 categories

1. The team is talented and coached poorly,
2. The team is talented and coached well,
3. The team is not talented and coached well, and
4. The team is not talented and not coached well.

For obvious reasonings due to season 2004 and to date season 2005 performances, option 2 can be ruled out immediately. The performance of Fremantle in season 2003 rules out option 4, therefore leaving options 1 and 3.

Looking at Fremantle's side, I believe they are extremely talented when you go through the list, however in another post elsewhere, I have dissected the complete playing list into several categories and it reveals a number of glaring under-performers and lack of out and out superstar matchwinners. However, that does not mean the team is not talented, quite the opposite if Fremantle can improve 5-10% on their current performance. That dismisses option 3.

Based on that, option 1 is the remainder. Fremantle has a talented list meaning there must be something wrong with the coach. He isn't doing something correctly, whether it be match planning, game day strategy or a failure to communicate and motivate his players. If CC, is such a brilliant football mind as you have quoted others as saying, then with the list at his disposal, Fremantle would be performing at a higher level on a more consistent basis. The buck stops with the players gameday, but the message and drilling comes from the coach.

Therefore, to this point in season 2005 (which may change with half a season left), I believe the problem at Fremantle lies with the coach.
 
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