To Old To Slow

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Decisions have to made at Crowville. Don't try and buy a flag and take the hard road like the Saints have and start with higher draft picks for a few years and recruit some talented youth.

Crows will end up getting nothing for retired old players in which you can not even trade with.

It's time to hit rockbottow crows and go the hard road.

RIP to the following:

Gary Ayres
Wayne Carey
Ronnie Burns
Nigel Smart
 

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Originally posted by My Dog Arch
Decisions have to made at Crowville. Don't try and buy a flag and take the hard road like the Saints have and start with higher draft picks for a few years and recruit some talented youth.

Crows will end up getting nothing for retired old players in which you can not even trade with.

It's time to hit rockbottow crows and go the hard road.

RIP to the following:

Gary Ayres
Wayne Carey
Ronnie Burns
Nigel Smart
+ Matthew Clarke
 

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I have to disagree with some of your opnions...

Tonight, we put on a pretty young side, and they all showed that have something to give. (Jericho especially)

But Carey and Smart all tried hard, and were far from our worst players. Smarty still got it in him and Carey, while not being damaging, still gave a contest.

If there's anyone that should be shown the exit, it's players like Basset, who can't take a contest. He tried hard, but he needs to do a lot more.

I just feel sorry for Gary Ayres, who despite using a young side (the answer to many fans), we didn't manage to win.

Maybe we should start picking out players who don't have a big enough impact. These are the players who affect our performance.
 

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Originally posted by Bockchoy67

I just feel sorry for Gary Ayres, who despite using a young side (the answer to many fans), we didn't manage to win.

I don't feel sorry for him. It's not about players. It's about game plan...we kick wide. When the ball comes into the forward line it's like playing 'marks up.' Everyone goes up, no one crumbs. Who was actually CHF tonight?? It seemed the 3 forwards - Carey, Jericho & Stevens were playing anywhere :confused: And ffs, KICK STRAIGHT SCOTT STEVENS!! :mad: Is Jarman on holidays? We need some kicking practice badly...
 

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Originally posted by bluecrow
I don't feel sorry for him. It's not about players. It's about game plan...we kick wide. When the ball comes into the forward line it's like playing 'marks up.' Everyone goes up, no one crumbs. Who was actually CHF tonight?? It seemed the 3 forwards - Carey, Jericho & Stevens were playing anywhere :confused: And ffs, KICK STRAIGHT SCOTT STEVENS!! :mad: Is Jarman on holidays? We need some kicking practice badly...
Admittedly, you make a very good point there. Our kicking in to the 50 was poor. I said that the forwards were not taking the contested marks, but one of the reasons for this is the high kicking into the 50.

Look how St. Kilda do it. They lead. They find space. And they mark.

All we do is hoist the ball up high and hope for the best. Well, sorry to say, but our forward line is the not the best.

We need more players who will take the contested mark. Things like that really do change a game. Look at Gehrig, for instance. :rolleyes:

Scott Stevens tried hard, but like the others, did not win the contested balls. His kicking was quite good today, but for a forward, he needs to have a more ferocious impact.

This applies to every single player that walks inside that 50 metre line...
 

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Originally posted by My Dog Arch
Decisions have to made at Crowville. Don't try and buy a flag and take the hard road like the Saints have and start with higher draft picks for a few years and recruit some talented youth.

Crows will end up getting nothing for retired old players in which you can not even trade with.

It's time to hit rockbottow crows and go the hard road.

RIP to the following:

Gary Ayres
Wayne Carey
Ronnie Burns
Nigel Smart
+ Matthew Clark
+ Nathan Bassett
+ Ian Perry
+ Hart
Shall I go on ??
 

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toO old to[BO/B] slow

Originally posted by bluecrow
I don't feel sorry for him. It's not about players. It's about game plan...we kick wide. When the ball comes into the forward line it's like playing 'marks up.' Everyone goes up, no one crumbs. Who was actually CHF tonight?? ...
Well to me its not the game plan its the way the players are playing according to the state of the team.

We dont have a CHF - or key postion postion players good enough to confidently demand the ball in the corridor and we are lacking a bit of belief/confidence that seems to automatically find the ball going to the right places and then finding the players in there to finish the job.
 

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When you went long, it wasn't to a player, but what they call in Grid Iron a " Holy Mary" (I think).
Same as most of last year. Cannot blame the coach for that.
 

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Re: Re: To Old To Slow

Originally posted by bluecrow
+ Matthew Clarke
Gotta disagree here.
Clarkes playing as well as ever, we don't have anyong in the wings just yet, and given he wants to, Clarke will play on next season.
 
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Originally posted by Bockchoy67
I have to disagree with some of your opnions...

Tonight, we put on a pretty young side, and they all showed that have something to give. (Jericho especially)

But Carey and Smart all tried hard, and were far from our worst players. Smarty still got it in him and Carey, while not being damaging, still gave a contest.

If there's anyone that should be shown the exit, it's players like Basset, who can't take a contest. He tried hard, but he needs to do a lot more.

I just feel sorry for Gary Ayres, who despite using a young side (the answer to many fans), we didn't manage to win.

Maybe we should start picking out players who don't have a big enough impact. These are the players who affect our performance.
Thats a pretty fair accessment, although to Bassets defense, he was too short, and not strong enough to effectively be a good matchup fot Gehrig.
We have players who are good (all AFL players are good), but compared to the better players from the top sides are found wanting. But you have to replace these players with better players, as part of the improvement cycle, and your going to have to get high draft picks to get quality players.

We had a lot of inexperienced players on the park tonight, who all showed something. Pick up a couple of good draft picks, trade fo a good player, and with Watts, Krueger, coming through, the future is potentially not as bleak as some would suggest.
 
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Originally posted by Bockchoy67
Admittedly, you make a very good point there. Our kicking in to the 50 was poor. I said that the forwards were not taking the contested marks, but one of the reasons for this is the high kicking into the 50.

Look how St. Kilda do it. They lead. They find space. And they mark.

All we do is hoist the ball up high and hope for the best. Well, sorry to say, but our forward line is the not the best.

We need more players who will take the contested mark. Things like that really do change a game. Look at Gehrig, for instance. :rolleyes:

Scott Stevens tried hard, but like the others, did not win the contested balls. His kicking was quite good today, but for a forward, he needs to have a more ferocious impact.

This applies to every single player that walks inside that 50 metre line...
The problem is our midfield and their delivery. As you say high kicks, lots of hang time, if Modra was there great, but hes not.
St Kilda on the other hand, with Hayes and ball, kick low and long to the advantaged side of their forwards, who with superior height and weight, are winning their one on one contests.

We have lost the fierce attack on the ball, generated by Bickley and Sugar, and need to recruit some hardness. Need another Roo type player.
Massie is good, but a bit slow for the midfield. Torney is also physical,Watts appears to have a physical game, so you can see the club has tried to address the issue, but it needs to recruit more physical players in the draft this year.
 
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Originally posted by PAfolwr
When you went long, it wasn't to a player, but what they call in Grid Iron a " Holy Mary" (I think).
Same as most of last year. Cannot blame the coach for that.
Yeah, is typical of our midfield disposal. Roo is a repeat offender.
Plus we don't have the type of player to mark those type of incoming balls.
 

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Re: toO old to[BO/B] slow

Originally posted by dezzmo
Well to me its not the game plan its the way the players are playing according to the state of the team.

We dont have a CHF - or key postion postion players good enough to confidently demand the ball in the corridor and we are lacking a bit of belief/confidence that seems to automatically find the ball going to the right places and then finding the players in there to finish the job.
I think this is the point...the gameplan is poor, we are going wide, but only because the forwards are leading wide to space because they're not good enough to win a contested ball. They don't demand the footy straight down the middle of the ground, and thus, when our midfielders come down into our forward line, the only players they can kick to are leading wide, to space.

This has to change of course, however, on occasions when we did go into our forward 50, hitting the hot spot 30-40 m out from goal, we couldn't even make a contest and Maguire, Knobel et al took an easy mark (albeit from high bombs which don't give the forwards much oportunity, but you have to at least spoil and bring the ball to ground).
 
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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Wayne's World what did you think od Jezza??????
For a kid playing his first game, he was very self assured, and attacked the ball with the confidence of an experienced player. Usually you would expect some tentativeness, or star gazing - no evidence.
His pace is obvious, but he has good hands, chases, and looked a natural forward.
One of the better debuts from a Crows player - usually they don't touch the ball.;)
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
For a kid playing his first game, he was very self assured, and attacked the ball with the confidence of an experienced player. Usually you would expect some tentativeness, or star gazing - no evidence.
His pace is obvious, but he has good hands, chases, and looked a natural forward.
One of the better debuts from a Crows player - usually they don't touch the ball.;)
In other words there is something there to work with ;)
 

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Re: Re: Re: To Old To Slow

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Gotta disagree here.
Clarkes playing as well as ever, we don't have anyong in the wings just yet, and given he wants to, Clarke will play on next season.
I agree. Clarke's form hasn't declined like certain other players, and we don't exactly have an abundance of quality ruckman. Hopefully Hudson will continue to improve, but if Biglands keeps playing both crap and dirty he may be traded whilst he has some value.
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
We have lost the fierce attack on the ball, generated by Bickley and Sugar, and need to recruit some hardness. Need another Roo type player.
Massie is good, but a bit slow for the midfield. Torney is also physical,Watts appears to have a physical game, so you can see the club has tried to address the issue, but it needs to recruit more physical players in the draft this year.
Again I agree with Wayne's-World. IMO we desperately need to draft/trade for a young "inside" ball winner. Someone in the mould of Coughlan or Jude Bolton. Our future midfield will have Reilly, Johncock and Schuback running through, but they are more running receivers more than "bottom of the pack" ball winners - ala Bicks.

Mr Fantasia - what can you do?
 

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Originally posted by McLeod23
Again I agree with Wayne's-World. IMO we desperately need to draft/trade for a young "inside" ball winner. Someone in the mould of Coughlan or Jude Bolton. Our future midfield will have Reilly, Johncock and Schuback running through, but they are more running receivers more than "bottom of the pack" ball winners - ala Bicks.

Mr Fantasia - what can you do?
Both of you are correct on this one. Our best 2 in close mid-fielders were Johnson (Richmond) and Bickley (retired).

We will probably finish low enough this season to draft our own young "inside" ball winner. ;)
 

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Originally posted by PAfolwr
When you went long, it wasn't to a player, but what they call in Grid Iron a " Holy Mary" (I think).
Same as most of last year. Cannot blame the coach for that.
Gotta balme the coach for going too wide, and that period was where the Crows lost the game.

How wide is wide, Gary ?
 

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Originally posted by ok.crows
Gotta balme the coach for going too wide, and that period was where the Crows lost the game.

How wide is wide, Gary ?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but im kinda getting the feeling that you're not a fan of Ayres :p
 
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