
I wanted to make a seperate topic for this. Now we have all read Shinboners well written post about finals football. No doubt he also feels the same way about great moments and memories from the Olympics, and the Soccer world cup for that matter.
Now these three fellows (Shins Roylion and Tim) have basically been telling me they like it how the finals currently override the H&A. Makes the Grand Final bigger, they reckon.
In fact, Tim went so far as to say this to me : "Dan24, The "logical" conclusion of your argument is to take the biggest sporting event on the planet, the Olympics, and replace them with a simple medal ceremony in which the fastest/highest/strongest performer of the year is given the gold medal, etc. I can see that taking off in a big way."
Let me explain. I'm not saying that at all. If they actullay read what I said, you will notice I still conclude the season with knockout finals.
Lets examine the soccer world cup. I have no problem with the soccer world cup. Why ? Because the team that wins it is only called "World Cup champions". That title is fine and appropriate. It would be stupid if they were suddenly called "the worlds best soccer team". Thankfully that isn't the case.
After Frace won in 1998, Brazil remained, according to OFFICIAL rankings, the worlds number one soccer team. Brazil's status as the best team in the world was not affected by one loss in a tournament. Aparently, they all think it should be.
Same with the Olympics. We love the Olympics. Not because they tell you who the best is, but because of the exciting nature of the competition between athletes. if Ian Thorpe does not win the 1500 metres gold medal, he will still be the OFFICIAL number one swimmer in the world according to OFFICIAL rankings, right ? Yes he will.
Now say someone else wins the gold. Does it make that swimmers achievenment any less becasue he doesn't magically become the number one in the world ? No, of course not.
We are about to witness sone Olympic memories that will stay with us foever. Some heroic, some tragic. The worlds biggest stage will host some incredible moving performances. But none of these performances will affect that aheletes offical ranking in their chosen sport. Does Shinboners, Tim, and Roylion not like the Olympics (or soccer world cup ) because of this ?
See what I mean ? The final of an Olympic event is remembered forever. It is remembered even though the winner isn't magicaly the best (or premier). It has great memories and moments. But, despite this, you don't have the number one world ranking for your sport dependent on the outcome. Rightly so.
Can you see now, how the Grand Final would lose nothing ? It wouldn't. Please understand that. I promise you. Do the Olympics lack something, since they dont decide the "premier" team or individual, ? No, they don't. They lack nothing. That should end the argument
Look at Tennis. Lets say Pat Rafter wins Wimbledaon. He will NOT become the number one player in the world. People like Roylion want him to become number one, becasue they think that it would make Wimbledon bigger. I can imagine Roylion saying something like "If Rafter wins Wimbledon, it would be even bigger if the number one ranking was dependent on it"
Now every normal human being knows that Wimbledon is HUGE, not because it determines the number one ranked player, but because of the event, prestige and exciting nature of the knockout tournament etc etc. That's why it is big (as any Grand Slam is for that matter)
Same with the Olympics.
Same with the soccer world cup.
Every fan knows that the best team doesn't necessarily win the soccer world cup. FIFA don't even acknowledge the winner as the best, since official rankings indicate this. According to Roylion, this makes the world cup "not as big"
Well, you're wrong, because the world cup is huge. Just like our Grand Final will continue to be, if it becomes the culmiation of a seperate tournament.
Try arguing against that.
Look, I'm not trying to sound mean or arrogant. I'm also not trying to put anyone down. I simply firmly believe that certain things (such as this) don't require an opinion. They are facts.
And that's the bottom line.
Will you three be watching the Olympics ?
Now these three fellows (Shins Roylion and Tim) have basically been telling me they like it how the finals currently override the H&A. Makes the Grand Final bigger, they reckon.
In fact, Tim went so far as to say this to me : "Dan24, The "logical" conclusion of your argument is to take the biggest sporting event on the planet, the Olympics, and replace them with a simple medal ceremony in which the fastest/highest/strongest performer of the year is given the gold medal, etc. I can see that taking off in a big way."
Let me explain. I'm not saying that at all. If they actullay read what I said, you will notice I still conclude the season with knockout finals.
Lets examine the soccer world cup. I have no problem with the soccer world cup. Why ? Because the team that wins it is only called "World Cup champions". That title is fine and appropriate. It would be stupid if they were suddenly called "the worlds best soccer team". Thankfully that isn't the case.
After Frace won in 1998, Brazil remained, according to OFFICIAL rankings, the worlds number one soccer team. Brazil's status as the best team in the world was not affected by one loss in a tournament. Aparently, they all think it should be.
Same with the Olympics. We love the Olympics. Not because they tell you who the best is, but because of the exciting nature of the competition between athletes. if Ian Thorpe does not win the 1500 metres gold medal, he will still be the OFFICIAL number one swimmer in the world according to OFFICIAL rankings, right ? Yes he will.
Now say someone else wins the gold. Does it make that swimmers achievenment any less becasue he doesn't magically become the number one in the world ? No, of course not.
We are about to witness sone Olympic memories that will stay with us foever. Some heroic, some tragic. The worlds biggest stage will host some incredible moving performances. But none of these performances will affect that aheletes offical ranking in their chosen sport. Does Shinboners, Tim, and Roylion not like the Olympics (or soccer world cup ) because of this ?
See what I mean ? The final of an Olympic event is remembered forever. It is remembered even though the winner isn't magicaly the best (or premier). It has great memories and moments. But, despite this, you don't have the number one world ranking for your sport dependent on the outcome. Rightly so.
Can you see now, how the Grand Final would lose nothing ? It wouldn't. Please understand that. I promise you. Do the Olympics lack something, since they dont decide the "premier" team or individual, ? No, they don't. They lack nothing. That should end the argument
Look at Tennis. Lets say Pat Rafter wins Wimbledaon. He will NOT become the number one player in the world. People like Roylion want him to become number one, becasue they think that it would make Wimbledon bigger. I can imagine Roylion saying something like "If Rafter wins Wimbledon, it would be even bigger if the number one ranking was dependent on it"
Now every normal human being knows that Wimbledon is HUGE, not because it determines the number one ranked player, but because of the event, prestige and exciting nature of the knockout tournament etc etc. That's why it is big (as any Grand Slam is for that matter)
Same with the Olympics.
Same with the soccer world cup.
Every fan knows that the best team doesn't necessarily win the soccer world cup. FIFA don't even acknowledge the winner as the best, since official rankings indicate this. According to Roylion, this makes the world cup "not as big"
Well, you're wrong, because the world cup is huge. Just like our Grand Final will continue to be, if it becomes the culmiation of a seperate tournament.
Try arguing against that.
Look, I'm not trying to sound mean or arrogant. I'm also not trying to put anyone down. I simply firmly believe that certain things (such as this) don't require an opinion. They are facts.
And that's the bottom line.
Will you three be watching the Olympics ?