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Like many things in the afl things are not reportable until you make high contact.

You are allowed to hip and shoulder but if you get them in the head you are reported.

The last few weeks the afl have shown that it is ok to tackle with pinned arms until their head hits the ground (and the tackled player is concussed).

If the head is so sacred and if you make contact with it you are reported why should or would a player be able to get away with putting a boot into a face especially when it does not involve a marking contest.

Green had no need to put his foot up to receive a handball yet he choose to do so. He should then be responsible for getting a player in the face. If It had been a hand or elbow that was used instead there would not be any question about it so why can you do the same with a foot, which takes alot more effort to get someone in the face than an arm?
 
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Inb4 thread gets broken again
 
https://sportingchancemag.com/the-rant-volume-2-toby-greene-and-ch-7-youve-done-it-again-599a9681cc8

The Rant: Volume 2— Toby Greene, (and Ch 7) you’ve done it again!
For the third time this year, Toby Greene has found himself on report (albeit in controversial circumstances) but my bile comes not because of the AFL’s new favourite ‘bad boy’ but from the miscommunication around his fluro boot’s actions…

Controversial GWS forward Toby Greene was reported for a third time this season during GWS’ third quarter romp of the Western Bulldogs last night.

Greene’s right boot’s seven cleats caught Luke Dahlhaus flush in the face, as the livewire forward jumped to try and claim a ‘hospital handball’ from his teammate.

The ‘fly-kick’ sent Dahlhaus from the ground with blood streaming from his nose.


While the act of ‘studding’ someone in the face looks horrible, whether or not it was malicious or intentional is something that will be argued at the tribunal hearing early next week.

My umbrage however, comes from the Channel 7 commentary we hear in the snippet above.

Brain Taylor: “I reckon he’s allowed to do that in his attempt to mark the footy.”Wayne Carey: “Unfortunately in our game, you’re allowed to jump…”Brain Taylor: “He’s used his foot to clear space.”
(and continuing on from the rest of the coverage…)

Wayne Carey: “He didn’t deliberately put his foot in Dahlhaus’ face. You’re allowed to put your foot up to protect yourself.”

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‘Kung Fu Fighting’… ouch!
Now… first thing first. Below is the rule in regards to contact that can be legitimately made on the field.

(Omissions have made for relevance to this scenario but the full rules can be found here: http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Coach_AFL/2017_Laws_of_Australian_Football.pdf)

RULE 15.4 FREE KICK: PERMITTED AND PROHIBITED PHYSICAL CONTACT

15.4.5 Prohibited Contact and Payment of Free Kick — A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player where they are satisfied that the Player has made Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player.

A Player makes Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player if the Player:
a) makes contact or attempts to make contact with any part of their body with an opposition Player in a manner likely to cause injury;
(i) above the shoulders (including the top of the shoulders); or
(ii) below the knees.

and/or

h) kicks or attempts to kick an opposition Player, unless contact is accidentally made whilst the Player is Kicking the football.

and/or

(k) engages in rough conduct against an opposition Player which in the circumstances is unreasonable.

So in rebuttal to Wayne Carey’s comments it is written in the rules that you are explicitly not allowed to make contact above the shoulders or use you feet (the action of kicking) to ‘protect’ yourself.

Secondly, Brian Taylor’s comments are also flawed as the situational aspect of this incidence could be important as outlined by another section of Rule 15.4 (again omissions made for relevance.)

15.4.3 Permitted Contact — Other than the Prohibited Contact identified under Law 15.4.5, a Player may make contact with another Player:

(a) by using their hip, shoulder, chest, arms or open hands provided that the football is no more than 5 metres away from the Player.

and/or

(e) if such contact is incidental to a Marking contest and the Player is legitimately Marking or attempting to Mark the football.

Greene’s “ku-fung-kick” (for dramatic effect) was during his attempt to collect a handball, not a mark and as such any leeway given in Rule 15.4.3(e) is null and void. (However, the use of one’s legs or feet isn’t permitted by the rule anyway.)

The leeway given in Rule 15.4.3(e), also allows the “speccy” to live on and as such the “next we’ll have to ban Jeremy Howe for taking hangers” argument that has propagated so rapidly on social media is also null and void. The speccy will live on! The ‘fly kick’… not so much.

Does Toby Greene deserve to get reported? Maybe, maybe not — that will come down to the severity of the incident, (Dahlhaus was forced from the field) Greene’s ever lengthening ‘rap-sheet’ and the mystic value of player testimonies in Tribunal cases.

Was it a free kick? Absolutely, by the letter of the law. And this is where my beef is with the Channel 7 commentary team.


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Know you’re role… Play you’re role… And that includes you Ch 7
Commentators are not only meant to entertain their audiences but educate them as well, and a thorough knowledge of the rules is paramount to their ability to educate.

Throughout their call on Friday night, the Channel 7 commentary showed their lack of preparation, (in not knowing the rules) their lack of ability to adapt or react (in not researching or sourcing a definitive answer quickly) and showed a lack of attention to detail when Brian Taylor called Greene’s attempt as a mark and not as a handball receive, which it clearly was.

Channel 7 are the key broadcaster of the game and they are in many respects the people’s gateway to the game. This miscommunication is just one example of how they don’t take their job seriously enough…
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I don't see it as any different to that Ziebell incident a few years ago when he got suspended after attacking a handball. You can't initiate contact to the head, so it's a week.
 

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greatwhiteshark said:
It's an opinion forum, not going to look up a rule book every time.
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Well, if you are going to say something is "not against the rules", you should know what the rules actually are.....
 
Reading through the guidelines, there's a list of 37 examples of striking and a grand total of one example of kicking, Fyfe on Daniel Jackson in 2013 .

Unchartered territory, I'm guessing Careless, High Contact, Medium impact; 2 down to 1 but with +1 for a poor record.
 

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I suspect the AFL will take a dim view of the optics and suspend Greene for at least a week and probably a couple of weeks. Not a good look for the game to effectively condone that sort of action in a general play situation - the action was undeniably unnecessary and potentially dangerous. A marking contest would have been a different kettle of fish, where there would be some leeway for protecting the space, but not the general play situation that this occurred in. It's not a hanging offence but it is definitely worth a week or two on the sidelines IMO.

As an aside, it's the 2nd time this year Greene has been reported in Dogs matches - clearly he's still smarting about torching his teammates late in the PF last year and costing his team the chance at a premiership.
 
While not technically illegal it's an absolute campaigner of a thing to do. Why his foot was so high is beyond me, surely you'd be aware that you'd be collecting someone around the throat/face with your leg out like that?

Toby is a weak prick though, the shit he pulls would have had him in an ambulance 20 years ago when you were allowed to sort out little turds like that properly.
 
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Don't see anything in that, off the clip shown in the OP his eyes are on the footy the whole time.
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LOL - you can kick/punch someone without looking directly at them - he didn't lift his leg at right angles to protect against the imaginary ghost. He knew exactly where the player was - it was not an accident.
 
The Emu said:
LOL - you can kick/punch someone without looking directly at them - he didn't lift his leg at right angles to protect against the imaginary ghost. He knew exactly where the player was - it was not an accident.
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Agree to disagree, protected the space. Dahlhaus ran into his boot if anything.
 

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