Recommitted Tom De Koning [Signed until 2025]

[CatToTheFuture]

Yes he did, he was coming back from a strain or flu or something from memory and played low minutes. He then got concussed, had his 12 days off and returned to VFL afterwards because of what was mentioned above. Atleast that's what the rumour mill told us.

Either way, I don't care if he leaves. Seems to have checked out already and reckon we'd be much better off with the draft picks. Only thing is what the market values him at, if multiple clubs are fighting for his signature and throwing good coin at him it pushed his value up. Said from the start of the year I think he's worth about pick 25 and I haven't seen anything this year to change my mind on that.

The concussion happened in a vfl game though

De Koning suffered a concussion in the VFL last weekend after he was unable to break into the senior side following a “rest” the week before and has entered the league’s concussion protocols.

‘Professional’ Tom De Koning will not be swayed by omission, Michael Voss says

‘Lots of conclusions drawn’: Blues star lauded for ‘professional’ approach amid trade whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We won't go close to matching what Sydney is offering. I trust your intel, but McLure is pretty spot on with Carlton goss, and he doesn't even mention us in this article. He does however mention an 8 year 6.4+ MIL contract for TDM from Sydney - which is positively psychotic.

“I can't see him staying”: The three teams pushing hardest to lure Carlton ruck Tom De Koning

“I think he’s further out the door at Carlton than Harry Himmelberg is at GWS, I can’t see him staying.”

www.sen.com.au

McLure has to have his information wrong there.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Last time I looked Nick Bryan was doing better statistically in the VFL than Tom, while being several years younger. That was a month or so back. So, I agree, where is the evidence that he's worth what Carlton fans think he is? Or, if true, that Sydney's offering? Has me baffled.

Then again, if someone wants to offer Bryan millions and us a top 10 pick, I won't be complaining!

Probably worth taking into account TDKs limited minutes when looking at vfl stats

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Stephen Silvagni publicly stated on radio after his time at Carlton that Geelong had tried at TDK multiple times before, offering up their first-round pick and change. During that time you were finishing in the top 4 so pick would have been about 15-20.

Geelong clearly rate him, as do Sydney and StK. A future 2nd would - Unless Geelong plummit to the bottom 4 - be robbery and completely useless to us.
Pick between 15-30 this season in a strong draft is bang on imo.

SOS?

Unreliable narrator - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

The concussion happened in a vfl game though

De Koning suffered a concussion in the VFL last weekend after he was unable to break into the senior side following a “rest” the week before and has entered the league’s concussion protocols.

‘Professional’ Tom De Koning will not be swayed by omission, Michael Voss says

‘Lots of conclusions drawn’: Blues star lauded for ‘professional’ approach amid trade whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Correct. He was sore/had the flu the week before that game. The club gave him a fitness builder in the VFL on low minutes just to get some runs back in his legs but he got concussed. Then later that weekend there was rumoured to be videos of him getting pissed with the Cats boys in Torquay fresh off a concussion. Played VFL the next couple games from memory as 'punishment'.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Correct. He was sore/had the flu the week before that game. The club gave him a fitness builder in the VFL on low minutes just to get some runs back in his legs but he got concussed. Then later that weekend there was rumoured to be videos of him getting pissed with the Cats boys in Torquay fresh off a concussion. Played VFL the next couple games from memory as 'punishment'.

Fair enough.

Either way I will not be believing any of the cash offers being talked about for TDK are real. They just don't make sense. If the Sydney offer is real then he's out of his mind nominating the cats and will not be coming to us.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Fair enough.

Either way I will not be believing any of the cash offers being talked about for job are real. They just don't make sense. If the Sydney offer is real then he's out of his mind nominating the cats and will not be coming to us.

Agree on all fronts. If someones stupid enough to offer him that sort of coin we'll be cashing in on their ineptitude. He's a dumb footballer with incredible physical traits. Not sure he'll ever be much more than that.

 

[bradfisher14]

So 2 years for example Geelong try chasing him, they would of been relying and paying for the term of Potential for a first round...
2 years later and his 6th season for a guy stats, hasn't got any better, if anything gone backwards. Does that mean we should still pay a 1st round pick?? Ahhh I don't think so..View attachment 1707456

You’re looking at career averages, not season averages

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Agree on all fronts. If someones stupid enough to offer him that sort of coin we'll be cashing in on their ineptitude. He's a dumb footballer with incredible physical traits. Not sure he'll ever be much more than that.

One other thing I'll add is that I wouldn't undervalue the cats future 2nd.

Hawkins goes around again but how bad did we look forward with him having no preseason, how bad did we look when the midfield couldn't get it on his terms? Smith, Tuohy, and probably others retire. Dangerfield won't have played a full season of full length games in 4 seasons. Mitch Duncan will have played 1 full season from those 4. Sav may ask for a trade, and how bad would our backline have been without him this year? It's sure as hell not going to be pick 36

Looking at how bad we've been with senior midfielders out this year, it's easily foreseeable that we get less out of TDK than we would get out of that pick.

 

[Yoda_]

Agree on all fronts. If someones stupid enough to offer him that sort of coin we'll be cashing in on their ineptitude. He's a dumb footballer with incredible physical traits. Not sure he'll ever be much more than that.

You said so yourself that multiple clubs will be offering him opportunities. Clubs aren't stupid though and most would come to a point and say, "yeah, nuh, not paying that".

 

[foxdog50]

You’re looking at career averages, not season averages

Gets even better.... sorry I mean below average

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Gets even better.... sorry I mean below average View attachment 1707594

bradfisher14 how did you call him out and make it worse?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

stop being a ******* for once and stay on topic

I provided a productive point to the topic.. grow up and keep it on TDK please

Clubs are stupid, they see new shiny toys they could pick up and overpay. It's happened dozens of times over the last 20 years. TDK has some mysterious hype surrounding him and supposedly big offers in play. If they see him as a 750k a year player they'll equally be willing to part with a good pick for someone like that.

 

[foxdog50]

bradfisher14 how did you call him out and make it worse?

This is the perfect moment to say.... " Did someone say KFC?"

 

[foxdog50]

Clubs are stupid, they see new shiny toys they could pick up and overpay. It's happened dozens of times over the last 20 years. TDK has some mysterious hype surrounding him and supposedly big offers in play. If they see him as a 750k a year player they'll equally be willing to part with a good pick for someone like that.

And if we are reported to offer him 600k, it's not a good pick.... it be 2nd rounder

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Carlton supporters never cease to overrate the worth of their players.

More than any other supporter base.

 

[Yoda_]

And if we are reported to offer him 600k, it's not a good pick.... it be 2nd rounder

What would Tom be on now? $38,000?

If someone is offering him $600,000+ then a) they need someone to absorb into the salary cap (ie Essendon) or b) club really, really rates said player's potential (ie Sydney).


I don't think Sydney are the answer, they just picked Jack Buller in the mid season draft, have an abundance of fwd/rucks for post Buddy already and whilst TDK fits the demographic into what they like in a marquee player, the guys they bring across on that sort of money are genuine superstars. Lockett, Hall, Buddy. TDK ain't that mo matter what way someone wants to put it

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Carlton supporters never cease to overrate the worth of their players.

More than any other supporter base.

Let he who has not over-rated Cooper Stephens cast the first stone

... I'm just as guilty

 

[foxdog50]

What would Tom be on now? $38,000?

If someone is offering him $600,000+ then a) they need someone to absorb into the salary cap (ie Essendon) or b) club really, really rates said player's potential (ie Sydney).


I don't think Sydney are the answer, they just picked Jack Buller in the mid season draft, have an abundance of fwd/rucks for post Buddy already and whilst TDK fits the demographic into what they like in a marquee player, the guys they bring across on that sort of money are genuine superstars. Lockett, Hall, Buddy. TDK ain't that mo matter what way someone wants to put it

6 years in the AFL system now , you bloody wouldn't be hoping in potential still... honestly if he wasn't Sam's Brother would anyone really be wanting him...
Like you said 600k is to much for a bloke with his stats with 6 years in the industry

 

[Jeremias]

Carlton supporters never cease to overrate the worth of their players.

More than any other supporter base.

Bizarre post. You haven’t followed the discussion at all have you?

Most have been confused by the contracts reportedly on offer for Tom.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Bizarre post. You haven’t followed the discussion at all have you?

Most have been confused by the contracts reportedly on offer for Tom.

Yes not sure where anyone's getting the idea we overrate TDK. We're just as puzzled at the reported contract offers.

Most of our board would happily drive him to the airport for anything under pick 30, we simply point out that if he is in high demand like the media is saying he is then he'll be worth more than a future 2nd.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yes not sure where anyone's getting the idea we overrate TDK. We're just as puzzled at the reported contract offers.

Most of our board would happily drive him to the airport for anything under pick 30, we simply point out that if he is in high demand like the media is saying he is then he'll be worth more than a future 2nd.

I get the same sense from this as that time on Roo and Ditz on Adelaide MMM said that Brad Crouch leaving would get the crows pick 2 based on literally nothing.

Subsection of fans latch on to the idea and start repeating it as gospel.

This time it's just Kane Cornes and Sam McLure instead

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I get the same sense from this as that time on Roo and Ditz on Adelaide MMM said that Brad Crouch leaving would get the crows pick 2 based on literally nothing.

Subsection of fans latch on to the idea and start repeating it as gospel.

This time it's just Kane Cornes and Sam McLure instead

Entirely possible. Either way anything under pick 30 I'll be happy with Tom's departure, if its a top 20 pick even better but to me thats where I value him,
30 or below. Think theres a lot of players in this draft who would fit our list needs.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Because we still rate him and he's not a free agent muppet. Geelong have no levers to pull this year around unlike with Henry. We stink so PSD is out of the question. National draft, ur first pick is way too high for him and you've got peanuts after that. You also can't pull your usual 'homesick' crap either given he's not from Geelong.

If other teams are willing to give us a top pick around 15 for him that's what we'd be expecting of Geelong. Not a pick in 2024 that's every chance to be in the late 30s or early 40s.

Thats never how this works. He will pick his chosen club and you have to deal with that club. There are literally dozens of precedents for this. What some other club offers is irrelevant unless tdk nominates them.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Thats never how this works. He will pick his chosen club and you have to deal with that club. There are literally dozens of precedents for this. Stop living in fantasy land.

That has never been how it works. Players don't nominate clubs if its clear that a deal will not be possible and in the cases that they do, deals don't get done. If Carlton set the price of a top 20 pick and Geelong say our final offer would be a F2 then he'd be advised simply to not nominate them. All the list and player managers acknowledge that on podcasts and interviews, thats exactly what happened in the Cerra trade too.

Then theres the added 'levers' of the PSD and National draft threats. Geelong doesn't have the picks or the position on the ladder to do either. Geelong wouldn't take him with their first in a national draft situation, if they would they'd just trade it to Carlton for him. In a PSD situation Carlton, Sydney, Essendon and StK will all be a chance of finishing below you so there's no way he'd make it through to your pick in that situation. The empathetic homesick move is also not in play because he's not actually from Geelong, he'd only be wanting to get there to play with his brother and surf.

So really there's no haggling Carlton down in this situation. He's got interest from multiple clubs who are in better positions than you are to get a deal done and he'd be well aware of that. If its clear to the clubs and player managers that they are worlds apart on their valuations of him then it's pretty simple... He would nominate somewhere else.