Recommitted Tom De Koning [Signed until 2025]

[CatToTheFuture]

That has never been how it works. Players don't nominate clubs if its clear that a deal will not be possible and in the cases that they do, deals don't get done. If Carlton set the price of a top 20 pick and Geelong say our final offer would be a F2 then he'd be advised simply to not nominate them. All the list and player managers acknowledge that on podcasts and interviews, thats exactly what happened in the Cerra trade too.

Then theres the added 'levers' of the PSD and National draft threats. Geelong doesn't have the picks or the position on the ladder to do either. Geelong wouldn't take him with their first in a national draft situation, if they would they'd just trade it to Carlton for him. In a PSD situation Carlton, Sydney, Essendon and StK will all be a chance of finishing below you so there's no way he'd make it through to your pick in that situation. The empathetic homesick move is also not in play because he's not actually from Geelong, he'd only be wanting to get there to play with his brother and surf.

So really there's no haggling Carlton down in this situation. He's got interest from multiple clubs who are in better positions than you are to get a deal done and he'd be well aware of that. If its clear to the clubs and player managers that they are worlds apart on their valuations of him then it's pretty simple... He would nominate somewhere else.

Geelong has a pretty decent record of walking away if the deal doesn't look like it fits. Can't see it getting that far with us. We would just congratulate him on the big contract at Sydney and invite him on surfing trips instead.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Geelong has a pretty decent record of walking away if the deal doesn't look like it fits. Can't see it getting that far with us. We would just congratulate him on the big contract at Sydney and invite him on surfing trips instead.

Yeah Geelong are generally are good operators. Ollie Henry was the only case of almost screwing another team over and that was more Ollie's doing basically threatening to sit out a year if he could go home.

Tom is clearly happy to entertain offers from multiple clubs so if theres no chance of a deal I'm sure he'd just nominate Syd or StK

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Let he who has not over-rated Cooper Stephens cast the first stone

... I'm just as guilty

Give him time.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Bizarre post. You haven’t followed the discussion at all have you?

Most have been confused by the contracts reportedly on offer for Tom.

Except some Carlton supporters demanding or assuming a first round pick.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Give him time.

That's the spirit!

 

[Jeremias]

Except some Carlton supporters demanding or assuming a first round pick.

Right, so you haven’t followed the discussion.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[bradfisher14]

bradfisher14 how did you call him out and make it worse?

To make it even more hilarious when we swindle a top 10 pick for him. Thanks for playing along.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Right, so you haven’t followed the discussion.

Thanks for clarifying.

What do you think he's worth? Ignoring the mooted figures.

 

[Jeremias]

What do you think he's worth? Ignoring the mooted figures.

I’ve already stated what I think he’s worth.

At this stage, a 24 year old Rhys Stanley is a very reasonable comparison in terms of value.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I’ve already stated what I think he’s worth.

At this stage, a 24 year old Rhys Stanley is a very reasonable comparison in terms of value.

Fair enough. The thing is, if he nominates Geelong you'll want to hope we finish 16th in 2024 to get that type of value.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Article in the HS about TDK and others who play in the ruck who may or may not be available suggesting that Geelong may only offer him a similar amount to Carlton, around $600K PA.

Which raises a really interesting point.

You would think that someone’s trade value would be their trade value. That it wouldn’t change much whether they request a trade to club A or club B, yet if he requests a trade to Geelong, and they’re only offering him $600K PA, his trade value could be significantly different than if he requests a trade to Sydney, if it’s true they’re offering him over $800K PA, over a very long period.

Similar thing when Dangerfield went to Geelong. It was rumoured/reported that the year before Melbourne had offered him $1.5mil a year, yet he ended up going to Geelong for perhaps not much more than half that.

So would Melbourne have to have paid almost twice as much in a trade, even though he’s still the same guy and still as good as he would be if he chose Geelong?

To me your trade value should be pretty much set regardless of which club you go to and how much they’re offering. Based on how good you actually are. Not how desperate one club happens to be relative to another club, or what that club’s personal circumstances are. Something that has nothing at all to do with the player in question.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I flat out refuse to believe Sydney is offering 800k, that's just insane. I'd hope we find a way to not pay Darcy 800k...

600k feels extremely generous as it is and is already paying the "20% extra to get someone out of a club" tax

 

[DanWA]

I flat out refuse to believe Sydney is offering 800k, that's just insane. I'd hope we dont pay Darcy 800k...

600k feels extremely generous as it is and is already paying the "20% extra to get someone out of a club" tax

The Saints have pulled out of Darcy to go after De Koning because Darcy has received a $5mil over 5 years offer from Geelong (Freo can match)

 

[TheBoss]

Sydney haven't offered $800k, that is complete horsehit.

For $800k the expectation is that you are getting match winning player. Not a bum that gets demoted to the VFL.

For an $800k ruckman, you would be wanting output similar to prime Gawn or English.

 

[HTPunter]

Sydney haven't offered $800k, that is complete horsehit.

For $800k the expectation is that you are getting match winning player. Not a bum that gets demoted to the VFL.

For an $800k ruckman, you would be wanting output similar to prime Gawn or English.

Clubs make dumb contract calls all the time. Polec, Williams, Bowes, hell maybe even Naitanui…all within that ballpark or the equivalent at the time of their contracts, none worth it.

Sydney are a club willing to pay what they think is necessary. If he is their man and that’s the offer that gets him it’s not unlikely.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Clubs make dumb contract calls all the time. Polec, Williams, Bowes, hell maybe even Naitanui…all within that ballpark or the equivalent at the time of their contracts, none worth it.

Sydney are a club willing to pay what they think is necessary. If he is their man and that’s the offer that gets him it’s not unlikely.

Yep. Hill on $900K PA. If a club is desperate they’ll do what it takes.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If Geelong target someone from a long way out, they generally offer up a fair trade to take that player. They are pretty good that way. Look at Lachie Henderson for example. They generally don't play mind games. We want him. We know what the market price is. This is what we have. Done deal. Their supporters opinions don't generally come into it. IIRC the going price for Hendo was supposed to be Pick 27 or Josh Walker. We got a future 1st and turned that into McKay.

Geelong won't pay TDK what other clubs will offer and frankly he isn't worth those offers. They are far too good at evening out their cap and won't take players who are only in it for the money. However, they will look at other offers and what that might mean in terms of draft picks, and try to match that value.

Theoretically, TDK is about to come into his prime. That may or may not bump up his original draft value of #30 to a first rounder. I probably wouldn't want to trade him for anything outside of that either. I'd probably let him take his chances through the draft if he wanted to walk.

 

[Warhorse]

If Geelong target someone from a long way out, they generally offer up a fair trade to take that player. They are pretty good that way. Look at Lachie Henderson for example. They generally don't play mind games. We want him. We know what the market price is. This is what we have. Done deal. Their supporters opinions don't generally come into it. IIRC the going price for Hendo was supposed to be Pick 27 or Josh Walker. We got a future 1st and turned that into McKay.

Geelong won't pay TDK what other clubs will offer and frankly he isn't worth those offers. They are far too good at evening out their cap and won't take players who are only in it for the money. However, they will look at other offers and what that might mean in terms of draft picks, and try to match that value.

Theoretically, TDK is about to come into his prime. That may or may not bump up his original draft value of #30 to a first rounder. I probably wouldn't want to trade him for anything outside of that either. I'd probably let him take his chances through the draft if he wanted to walk.

Not so sure about that. Mackie is a chance to do a Dodoro. He showed hints of it in the last off season.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not so sure about that. Mackie is a chance to do a Dodoro. He showed hints of it in the last off season.

I hadn't really factored in the fact that Wells had stepped back. I don't know if easy trades was a Wells thing or a Cats philosophy.

We are in a weird spot in that TDK could be a great player and talls do take quite a while to show their greatness. Pretty sure this year was the year that TDK needed to step up if he were to come close to the trajectory that Max Gawn took for example. So do we want to be stuck with potential that may only come good if they leave us, never come good, or come good if we have patience? This year, we have devalued all of our player currency but fortunately we do have some exhibition of attributes to go off.

I mean, I could see TDK going for an early second because we need to free up cap space and he hasn't shown he will be a tall forward or a first ruck yet. We have so many other positions to fill. I think he will flourish in Geelong's environment. I think he will struggle staying with us.

We watch with interest ...

 

[Libbaaaa]

Is it just me or does TDK seem undersized to be a full time ruck? 203cm per his profile but Hickey and Grundy looked massive compared to him the past few weeks. Pays to be tall with the contract he is getting when you look at his career to date.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Is it just me or does TDK seem undersized to be a full time ruck? 203cm per his profile but Hickey and Grundy looked massive compared to him the past few weeks. Pays to be tall with the contract he is getting when you look at his career to date.

I think his slender frame makes him look smaller. He still looks like a baby face. Needs to tat up and grow facial hair to believe in himself.

 

[hawkinoz]

I flat out refuse to believe Sydney is offering 800k, that's just insane. I'd hope we find a way to not pay Darcy 800k...

600k feels extremely generous as it is and is already paying the "20% extra to get someone out of a club" tax

exactly, if these are the rates, why are the rucks at other clubs not asking their agents to talk to Sydney and if keen they can work out a mutually beneficial trade for all concerned.

Meek at Hawks is a better ruck than TDK and has a physical presence & fitness. Will be out of contract next yr.

The key bit seems to be not having to loose draft picks for Sydney. In a way it is valuing their top 2 picks at 200-300k * 5 yrs.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

exactly, if these are the rates, why are the rucks at other clubs not asking their agents to talk to Sydney and if keen they can work out a mutually beneficial trade for all concerned.

Meek at Hawks is a better ruck than TDK and has a physical presence & fitness. Will be out of contract next yr.

The key bit seems to be not having to loose draft picks for Sydney. In a way it is valuing their top 2 picks at 200-300k * 5 yrs.

Swans would be also looking at TDK as a forward to pair with McDonald. They like their Tippett types.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Swans would be also looking at TDK as a forward to pair with McDonald. They like their Tippett types.

Is Amartey not that player?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I hadn't really factored in the fact that Wells had stepped back. I don't know if easy trades was a Wells thing or a Cats philosophy.

We are in a weird spot in that TDK could be a great player and talls do take quite a while to show their greatness. Pretty sure this year was the year that TDK needed to step up if he were to come close to the trajectory that Max Gawn took for example. So do we want to be stuck with potential that may only come good if they leave us, never come good, or come good if we have patience? This year, we have devalued all of our player currency but fortunately we do have some exhibition of attributes to go off.

I mean, I could see TDK going for an early second because we need to free up cap space and he hasn't shown he will be a tall forward or a first ruck yet. We have so many other positions to fill. I think he will flourish in Geelong's environment. I think he will struggle staying with us.

We watch with interest ...

Definitely easy trades for players that the MC considers a sure-fire impact to the list like Tuohy, Hendo, etc.

Where those players have questions on their impact we have played hardball or walked away entirely, like Steven, Deledio etc.

It just depends whether you think TDK is a walk up start to the best 22. I think he'll spend a year behind Stanley, then he'll be competing with Neale, Conway, SDK, who are all a reasonable shot at being better.

For that reason I think he's in the secondary category. He's worth a punt, but don't bet the house.