He was also good in 2009 PF and 2011QF.. That's 5 out of 16 where he has been good, I'm sure he has been serviceable in others (like 2009 GF).. For a key forward that's actually not a bad strike rate
Analysis Tom Hawkins - clearly not insignificant !
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Agree to disagree.
I'm not suggesting he's useless or we are better off without him but I do feel like he has let us down in the finals when a bag of 4 or 5 could have taken us so much further.
Like look at the amount of times he's been left hanging on 0 goals in a final.
Him and Selwood almost single handeldly won that game
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Yep. I did mention this game as one in which he played good in.
I understand it helps with agenda's, bringing up such a performance but I am talking about consistency here and he was next to invisible the week earlier.
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Geez Bobby, there is no bloody agenda. Just a discussion about Hawkins' finals performances I thought so I added my 2 cents.
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Settle down hbk, you brought up a game I clearly already mentioned. You probably should not have added in the question mark if you did not want me to answer.
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I am settled Bobby, just dont assume everything is about an agenda. It is a discussion board. The question mark was because as I clearly stated, I wasnt sure if my memory was recalling the correct game.
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I don't assume everything is an agenda I do however believe you lot make out our players to be much more than what reality suggest.
I've read it all on here the last couple of pages, from Wayne Carey's inconsistent finals record to Tom Hawkins' 2009 Grand Final performance.
The bloke has averaged 4.2 marks and 1.5 goals in sixteen finals. That is poor and there is no getting around it.
You can bring up his 5 goal performance against North Melbourne, or his 2011 final series but the fact remains, he was no where to be seen in 2012, 2014 (one final) and was pretty mediocre last year having averaged 5.7 marks & 2.5 goals per game in the home and away season.
He needs to get rid of the mental demons and turn it on if he gets there again.
I've read it all on here the last couple of pages, from Wayne Carey's inconsistent finals record to Tom Hawkins' 2009 Grand Final performance.
The bloke has averaged 4.2 marks and 1.5 goals in sixteen finals. That is poor and there is no getting around it.
You can bring up his 5 goal performance against North Melbourne, or his 2011 final series but the fact remains, he was no where to be seen in 2012, 2014 (one final) and was pretty mediocre last year having averaged 5.7 marks & 2.5 goals per game in the home and away season.
He needs to get rid of the mental demons and turn it on if he gets there again.
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His record has mirrored the team's poor finals performances since 2011. Which is no surprise given the position he plays relies on decent service from up the ground.
I thought Tom was fantastic against the Dockers and I'm excited by what a fit and lean Tom can provide for the team up forward in 2017.
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not wrong - and not dodgy in this case...
Nearly single handed kicked 3 or 4 in the last 1/4 to get us home at the death.
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Oh s**t I thought that was just me.
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Yeah he's garbage, should of traded him for Kersten....
Kersten was always at Geelong before this year.
I thought he played really well in the QF final last year. Maybe not reflected in the stats as much but so much of our scoring went through him, he worked his arse off and got to so many contests. Similar kind of performance to the Freo game Sunday actually. 12 contested possessions from a key forward is a solid effort, and I'd bank that a number of his 9 handballs were a part of scoring chains.
PF was of course a different story. He's had a couple of other stinkers. Overall a mixed bag of performances indicative of a fairly poor performing finals team 2012 onwards.
Just wanted to pop in and say he is looking probably the fittest I've ever seen him, and moved like it on the weekend.
He is easy to make fun of but when he is on he is a serious player, I reckon he'll beat his 2012 haul this year.
He is easy to make fun of but when he is on he is a serious player, I reckon he'll beat his 2012 haul this year.
How many of the power forwards clunk pack marks like we expected him to do last season?
Quicker ball movement into F50 with a fitter and more agile Hawkins will do wonders - especially if he's 40-50 metres out where it's much harder to double team
Freo game was very exciting for the big fella - hope it continues
PS how good is his field kicking off both feet
Quicker ball movement into F50 with a fitter and more agile Hawkins will do wonders - especially if he's 40-50 metres out where it's much harder to double team
Freo game was very exciting for the big fella - hope it continues
PS how good is his field kicking off both feet
Mental demons would refer to a player who goes from diamonds to rocks when going from home and away to finals. Hawkins goes from 1.95 goals per game to 1.5 goals per game,roughly 12 touches a game to 11, and about 1.5 marks less per game. Playing against teams who by their very nature are always of at least decent quality.
Now, there is a difference between being an adequate finals player and one who actually goes up a level.
But there is also a difference between an adequate finals player and one who goes missing. I don't think you're seeing that difference.
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Being able to play one on one for a change instead of two or even three on one, makes a heck of a difference
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Yes I am.
I don't think he's been good in most of his finals. Satisfactory perhaps?
I think he's traveling along at about the same rate as what Cam Mooney was in September.
I probably should not have even posted my thoughts on this matter as it's created a pretty big stir among our supporters but it's what I have witnessed and again, only a meaningless opinion like us all.
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If Taylor taking a KPD enables this then I won't give a s**t if he stays there and kicks 20-25 goals. If he gives Hawkins more 1v1 contests then it's a success on that alone.
Well it just seems like you're saying that he chokes, more or less, come finals time, when statistically (when you factor in that in finals every opponent is decent) he is virtually at the same level he's always at.
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Scott answered a question on Hawkins on the Ask the Coach segment today. The sentiment was that Tom's not any fitter/slimmer after this preseason than previous years and he inferred that problems of seasons past are no longer present. Wonder if he's referring to the back issues.
