Confirmed Tom Mitchell [traded to Hawthorn with pick 57 for pick 14 & 52]

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That's true, but I'd think if another club was offering more money then Tom would be interested. It's rare that a club refuses to trade and sends the player through the PSD, but I think that will become more common until we eventually adopt the US free agency system where clubs have some power.
I think the message that sends to potential trade targets is bad though, not being a club willing to facilitate something they want. But we might see more of it, at the moment it has only been certain clubs that have threatened that sort of behavior
 

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His manager said a couple of months ago that Mitchell wanted to stay but talks were on hold until after the season ends. Managers can talk a load of bull crap, but as it stands those are the only facts we have - the rest are BigFooty generated rumours.
As you know managers say that in every trade. But you are right, it is really all anyone has for certain at this stage. I heard there was talk of him waiting to see what the CBA would deliver to the Swans and how that might help. I still don't think you will have the coin with Papley, Mills, Aliir, Heeney and maybe Hewitt all deserving lifts in their cintracts. There might also be the notion that you overpaid for a couple of years and you don't feel you should do it again? who knows on that
 

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I think the message that sends to potential trade targets is bad though, not being a club willing to facilitate something they want. But we might see more of it, at the moment it has only been certain clubs that have threatened that sort of behavior
I think Gold Coast is much more likely to pull the trigger on the PSD if the JOM trade stalls. For them it makes a statement that their players aren't easily poachable. Sydney are a club who loves the trade table and usually offers fair value, so they'd be hesitant to jeopardise their trading reputation. At the same time if the Swans get pushed off accepting Richmond's pick 6 (hypothetical) and have to take Hawthorn's pick 14, that also sends a poor message in terms of the club being a pushover.
 

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What do you base this on?
Just think about it. His value has gone up drastically since being arguably Sydney's best player of the finals; taking that into account, along with his reputation as a junior, there would be clubs willing to make a Treloar-like offer at this point. It would be absolute madness for Sydney to let him go for one of Hawthorn's late first rounders + steak knives, and that's if they even still have their picks after a possible O'Meara trade. It's not even a matter of principle at this point, Sydney could either let him go for far less than he's worth to both a bitter rival and a flag threat or to another Victorian Club for free and Hawthorn wouldn't get their gun midfielder.

This is one of those scenarios where letting him to to the PSD is better than the trade, assuming he refuses to be traded anywhere else (which I find dubious in this case). Bookmark this post, he will not be a Hawthorn player next year, no chance.

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That's true, but I'd think if another club was offering more money then Tom would be interested. It's rare that a club refuses to trade and sends the player through the PSD, but I think that will become more common until we eventually adopt the US free agency system where clubs have some power.
Just out of curiosity I know this might be covered already but there are lets say 3 teams that are really closely linked outside of Sydney being Hawthorn, Richmond and lets put Carlton in for arguments sake. Baring in mind apparently Carlton want to keep first rounder and Hawks first would likely be tied up with JOM and Tigers with Prestia, with no guarantee where those clubs will finish but a fair estimate would be hawks in the 8 and Richmond and Carlton outside it but in the next bracket. What would you be asking for as a Swans supporter from those 3 clubs baring in mind that other clubs can be involved as a 3rd party lets say its straight swaps for the point of this argument
 

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Just think about it. His value has gone up drastically since being arguably Sydney's best player of the finals; taking that into account, along with his reputation as a junior, there would be clubs willing to make a Treloar-like offer at this point. It would be absolute madness for Sydney to let him go for one of Hawthorn's late first rounders + steak knives, and that's if they even still have their picks after a possible O'Meara trade. It's not even a matter of principle at this point, Sydney could either let him go for far less than he's worth to both a bitter rival and a flag threat or to another Victorian Club for free and Hawthorn wouldn't get their gun midfielder.

This is one of those scenarios where letting him to to the PSD is better than the trade, assuming he refuses to be traded anywhere else (which I find dubious in this case). Bookmark this post, he will not be a Hawthorn player next year, no chance.


Delude yourself at your will.
The old Collingwood Treloar trade precedent, so what clubs are coughing up 2 1st rounders for Tom Mitchell?
 

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Just out of curiosity I know this might be covered already but there are lets say 3 teams that are really closely linked outside of Sydney being Hawthorn, Richmond and lets put Carlton in for arguments sake. Baring in mind apparently Carlton want to keep first rounder and Hawks first would likely be tied up with JOM and Tigers with Prestia, with no guarantee where those clubs will finish but a fair estimate would be hawks in the 8 and Richmond and Carlton outside it but in the next bracket. What would you be asking for as a Swans supporter from those 3 clubs baring in mind that other clubs can be involved as a 3rd party lets say its straight swaps for the point of this argument
Purely from the club's perspective: I think Sydney's priority would be a top draft pick as that allows them to remove Mitchell's salary and bring in a promising youngster. A straight player swap wouldn't free up any cash, so if players are involved that'd most likely see them traded to another club for a decent draft pick, which is then sent to Sydney.

So if we're looking for draft picks I think Richmond & Carlton hold more value than Hawthorn. Both have higher picks this year and will most likely be the same situation next year. There seems to be an acceptance that Prestia will go to Richmond for pick 6, so that sets the bar for Mitchell to be worth about the same. The Blues and Tigers have that currency this year and may have it again next year, whereas the Hawks would need to shuffle some picks or look at upgrading later picks on top.
 

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Just think about it. His value has gone up drastically since being arguably Sydney's best player of the finals; taking that into account, along with his reputation as a junior, there would be clubs willing to make a Treloar-like offer at this point. It would be absolute madness for Sydney to let him go for one of Hawthorn's late first rounders + steak knives, and that's if they even still have their picks after a possible O'Meara trade. It's not even a matter of principle at this point, Sydney could either let him go for far less than he's worth to both a bitter rival and a flag threat or to another Victorian Club for free and Hawthorn wouldn't get their gun midfielder.

This is one of those scenarios where letting him to to the PSD is better than the trade, assuming he refuses to be traded anywhere else (which I find dubious in this case). Bookmark this post, he will not be a Hawthorn player next year, no chance.


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I'll give you this, your logic is sound but it's based on a lot of assumptions (yes...as a lot of other posts on here are)
No one knows for sure (maybe not even Mitchell himself) but I guess we will find out in next few weeks won't we.
 
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His manager said a couple of months ago that Mitchell wanted to stay but talks were on hold until after the season ends. Managers can talk a load of bull crap, but as it stands those are the only facts we have - the rest are BigFooty generated rumours.
why are you so intent on pushing the "tom staying" I think we know where you stand despite having no info. 10+ posts a day here
 

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why are you so intent on pushing the "tom staying" I think we know where you stand despite having no info. 10+ posts a day here
If you read through my posts at least you see some logic and reasoning - I even acknowledge that he's a chance to go to the Hawks on multiple occasions. Much more useful than "lol he'll be a hawk" or other such intellect.
 

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If you read through my posts at least you see some logic and reasoning - I even acknowledge that he's a chance to go to the Hawks on multiple occasions. Much more useful than "lol he'll be a hawk" or other such intellect.
Logic and reasoning great stuff ok. Im just trying to help people out because theres an awful lot of angst for something that's a certainty
 

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Logic and reasoning great stuff ok. Im just trying to help people out because theres an awful lot of angst for something that's a certainty
That's part of the issue - it's not a certainty. If you have any verifiable info to prove it's a certainty I'm sure we'd all love to read it!
 

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Just out of curiosity I know this might be covered already but there are lets say 3 teams that are really closely linked outside of Sydney being Hawthorn, Richmond and lets put Carlton in for arguments sake. Baring in mind apparently Carlton want to keep first rounder and Hawks first would likely be tied up with JOM and Tigers with Prestia, with no guarantee where those clubs will finish but a fair estimate would be hawks in the 8 and Richmond and Carlton outside it but in the next bracket. What would you be asking for as a Swans supporter from those 3 clubs baring in mind that other clubs can be involved as a 3rd party lets say its straight swaps for the point of this argument

Sorry for the interruption, but tell me, how do the Hawks make the eight next year???

They where lucky to play finals this year and the proven assistance in the home and away was demonstrated by their straights sets emphatic downturn(for those that cannot read form) come finals!!
 
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Purely from the club's perspective: I think Sydney's priority would be a top draft pick as that allows them to remove Mitchell's salary and bring in a promising youngster. A straight player swap wouldn't free up any cash, so if players are involved that'd most likely see them traded to another club for a decent draft pick, which is then sent to Sydney.

So if we're looking for draft picks I think Richmond & Carlton hold more value than Hawthorn. Both have higher picks this year and will most likely be the same situation next year. There seems to be an acceptance that Prestia will go to Richmond for pick 6, so that sets the bar for Mitchell to be worth about the same. The Blues and Tigers have that currency this year and may have it again next year, whereas the Hawks would need to shuffle some picks or look at upgrading later picks on top.
Yeah obviously the higher picks are where the value is. GC are said to not want hawks first next year. Carlton have apparently said their pick 5 is off the table but doubt they get in the GWS boys without it as they dont have much other value on that list that would interest other clubs. Plus I can't see GC accepting anything other than pick 6 for Prestia so would probably take the next years first rounders from either Carlton or Richmond unless Hawks can somewhere sort out a move. They likely have picks 14 and 22 (Hill trade) which based on the points is the equal to pick 5 I think, however some of that if not all will be included in the JOM trade so will be interesting to see what happens. But as late as when JOM requested a move to Hawthorn it was seen that would be the harder move and Mitchell would just get done. Watch this space though to see how it plays out I guess
 

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Just think about it. His value has gone up drastically since being arguably Sydney's best player of the finals; taking that into account, along with his reputation as a junior, there would be clubs willing to make a Treloar-like offer at this point. It would be absolute madness for Sydney to let him go for one of Hawthorn's late first rounders + steak knives, and that's if they even still have their picks after a possible O'Meara trade. It's not even a matter of principle at this point, Sydney could either let him go for far less than he's worth to both a bitter rival and a flag threat or to another Victorian Club for free and Hawthorn wouldn't get their gun midfielder.

This is one of those scenarios where letting him to to the PSD is better than the trade, assuming he refuses to be traded anywhere else (which I find dubious in this case). Bookmark this post, he will not be a Hawthorn player next year, no chance.


Delude yourself at your will.
So to sum up, your assertion is based on hypothesis than fact. Time will tell who eats humble pie. Hope it's sweet!
 

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Sorry for the interruption, but tell me, how do the Hawks make the eight next year???

They where lucky to play finals this year and the proven assistance in the home and away was demonstrated by their straights sets emphatic downturn(for those that cannot read form) come finals!!
If Hawthorn get JOM and Mitchell they will certainly make the 8 next year. Our midfield took a battering this year, the additions of JOM and Mitchell will go a long way to fixing it. Plus Roughead will be aiming to come back in the 2nd half of the season.

We also have Alastair Clarkson as the coach. You cannot rule out any team that he is coaching.
 
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Sorry for the interruption, but tell me, how do the Hawks make the eight next year???

They where lucky to play finals this year and the proven assistance in the home and away was demonstrated by their straights sets emphatic downturn(for those that cannot read form) come finals!!
No need to apologise, true they could pull out a Richmond style demise, was purely going off the fact that they haven't missed the finals since 2009, showed some signs of aging in their top tier talent but were able to bring in kids that showed they could compete that will be better off for the experience. If they dont play in finals you would still think they would finish higher on the ladder than both Richmond and Carlton although Carlton are showing signs of big improvement. Didnt mean it in a bad way was just stating in a purely hypothetical way that would likely be finishing places. Only every expert out there that has made comment on them since they were taken out of finals contention has stated that they will finish likely in the bottom 4 of the 8 next year and no lower than 10th

Got to remember that IF Mitchell said Hawthorn and the deal was done for the first round pick next year on top of JOM coming in that fixes up a huge area of need that was shown on the hawks list this year and would improve them drastically but like I said was purely only a hypothetical
 

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Let's see what you get for him then, something tells me it won't be pick 3.

Even then, Mitchell to Hawthorn is still not going to happen.
Okay sparky...

Fairly sure it is Mayne's compo is what we will get... Swans will take a first rounder & a sweetener from us for Mitchell.
 
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Sorry for the interruption, but tell me, how do the Hawks make the eight next year???

They where lucky to play finals this year and the proven assistance in the home and away was demonstrated by their straights sets emphatic downturn(for those that cannot read form) come finals!!
Did we finish 3rd or am I missing something... we didn't scrape in around 8th...

Our team is actually good, but fast movement kills our midfielders so then it puts our backline in vulnerable positions. Getting Mitchell would help with grunt work that he can fight for first hands onto the ball & Jaeger will bring a better balance of pace & a bigger body for us to use, it doesn't help when you have outside runners who can't defend to save their life.
 

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I'll give you this, your logic is sound but it's based on a lot of assumptions (yes...as a lot of other posts on here are)
No one knows for sure (maybe not even Mitchell himself) but I guess we will find out in next few weeks won't we.
Assumptions based on the history of the trade period.

Remember Ryan O'Keefe? Sydney have even more incentive to avoid trading with Hawthorn right now than they did back in 2008. They're not going to trade you one of their best young players and their best finals performer, not in a million years.

We'll see alright.
 

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I think Gold Coast is much more likely to pull the trigger on the PSD if the JOM trade stalls. For them it makes a statement that their players aren't easily poachable. Sydney are a club who loves the trade table and usually offers fair value, so they'd be hesitant to jeopardise their trading reputation. At the same time if the Swans get pushed off accepting Richmond's pick 6 (hypothetical) and have to take Hawthorn's pick 14, that also sends a poor message in terms of the club being a pushover.
You really don't at all....

Jesse White and pick 22???

Yeah Sydney have a reputation as fair traders..
 

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You really don't at all....

Jesse White and pick 22???

Yeah Sydney have a reputation as fair traders..
Actually we really do. Trading is the main list management tool that the Swans have used to rejuvenate their list over the past decade and you can't consistently get your required trades done if you've got a bad reputation and clubs are unwilling to trade with you.
 
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