Confirmed Tom Mitchell [traded to Hawthorn with pick 57 for pick 14 & 52]

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Spot on. Given where they finished on the ladder, the Hawks don't have the threat of the PSD to try and squeeze a deal so any trade will need to be beneficial for Sydney, otherwise we'd be better off letting him go for free to a non-contender. This is not a Luke Ball situation who had significant durability question marks when he left the Saints, Mitchell will not last Hawks pick in an open draft
Do you know how this trade stuff even works?
 

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Spot on. Given where they finished on the ladder, the Hawks don't have the threat of the PSD to try and squeeze a deal so any trade will need to be beneficial for Sydney, otherwise we'd be better off letting him go for free to a non-contender. This is not a Luke Ball situation who had significant durability question marks when he left the Saints, Mitchell will not last Hawks pick in an open draft
Suppose he went in the PSD and Melbourne, Carlton or Saints snapped him up. For nothing. How dumb would it look in a few years when they are contending and Mitchell racks up 40 touches against the Swans in a final?

What you really mean...

I actually know nothing about what Sydney is doing or planning with respect to Mitchell but since I hate Hawthorn, I would rather we lose him for nothing than Hawthorn get him for under market value.
 

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except he hasnt put himself to market - hes put himself to hawthorn
and why would Sydney go out of there way to accept unders from one of there biggest rivals for a premiership.. Sydney would be better off having him play at Essendon than letting him go to Hawks for less than his market value.
 

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and why would Sydney go out of there way to accept unders from one of there biggest rivals for a premiership.. Sydney would be better off having him play at Essendon than letting him go to Hawks for less than his market value.
You have not factored in that he wants to be a Hawk.
 
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and why would Sydney go out of there way to accept unders from one of there biggest rivals for a premiership.. Sydney would be better off having him play at Essendon than letting him go to Hawks for less than his market value.
To a degree, but if he wishes to go to Hawthorn, we won't stand in his way and we will work a trade around. This is despite me wanting him to nominate Carlton!
 

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Suppose he went in the PSD and Melbourne, Carlton or Saints snapped him up. For nothing. How dumb would it look in a few years when they are contending and Mitchell racks up 40 touches against the Swans in a final?

What you really mean...

I actually know nothing about what Sydney is doing or planning with respect to Mitchell but since I hate Hawthorn, I would rather we lose him for nothing than Hawthorn get him for under market value.
You dont make sense, how does your scenario change if swans take a pick or whatever hawthorn give for Mitchell? They look less stupid if they copped the 40 touch game in a final against Hawthorn because they accepted whatever hawthorn gives them right.
 

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To a degree, but if he wishes to go to Hawthorn, we won't stand in his way and we will work a trade around. This is despite me wanting him to nominate Carlton!
At last some sense.

If Tom wants out of the Swans and wants to become a Hawk because they have no room in the cap to pay him what he is worth then Sydney and the Hawks will do a deal.

99% of players that come out and nominate a club then they indeed get there.

It is how this whole trade thing works.
 

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At last some sense.

If Tom wants out of the Swans and wants to become a Hawk because they have no room in the cap to pay him what he is worth then Sydney and the Hawks will do a deal.

99% of players that come out and nominate a club then they indeed get there.

It is how this whole trade thing works.
Both clubs have a great working relationship. I have no doubt that we would want your 2017 first though, can see us going for that rather that 2016.
 
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You dont make sense, how does your scenario change if swans take a pick or whatever hawthorn give for Mitchell? They look less stupid if they copped the 40 touch game in a final against Hawthorn because they accepted whatever hawthorn gives them right.
Sorry it's you who doesn't make sense. Take the emotion out of it. If you are Sydney do you want something (for example Hawks pick 14) or nothing?

Think about Josh Kennedy who we had trouble making an fair offer to. Should Hawks have said "...sorry Josh, we aren't dealing with the Swans because they are the Swans and because they won't offer what we believe is market value even though you want to go there so you can pi$$ off to the PSD and we'll take nothing".

That trade was a big win for the Swans because we didn't recognise what Kennedy would become, but at the time it was the right thing to do by Kennedy.

You guys might prefer it if things worked the selfish way but they don't. Well not at Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong anyway.
 

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Both clubs have a great working relationship. I have no doubt that we would want your 2017 first though, can see us going for that rather that 2016.
Yep a future pick could well be on the cards.

As I keep saying "If tom wants out and wants to be a Hawk" then they will do a deal.

All this "Why would the Swans give up star player to a main rival" stuff from a few people just shows they have no idea how this trade stuff works.
 

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and why would Sydney go out of there way to accept unders from one of there biggest rivals for a premiership.. Sydney would be better off having him play at Essendon than letting him go to Hawks for less than his market value.
As soon as he announces he wants to go to an arch rival, the Swans owe him nothing. They will look incredibly stupid if they lose to Hawthorn next year off the back of Tom Mitchell bringing Hawthorn's contested ball numbers back into respectable territory. The same might be true of other clubs, but with Hawthorn it's almost certain.

Of course they're better off letting him walk to a lower club than accepting peanuts (anything other than a top 10 pick) from a rival. The odds of one of Carlton, Saints or Melbourne being in the same position as Hawthorn in the next 3 years is pretty remote (maybe one will, but probably not.). It's an 18 team competition, the Swans would rather Mitchell was at 13 other clubs before Hawthorn, and they all happen to be ahead of Hawthorn in the PSD.
 

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Possibly.

As I keep saying "If tom wants out and wants to be a Hawk" then they will do a deal.

All this "Why would the Swans give up star player to a main rival" stuff from a few people just shows they have no idea how this trade stuff works.
Trading is all about giving a bit here and there too. One trade you might slightly 'win', the next you might slightly 'lose'. There is a reason why every trade involving Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong happen quickly and efficiently.

Clubs rarely hardball, and not every club is GWS who are unique with multiple assets who can wait out players wanting to go home as they have a zillion A graders!
 

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As soon as he announces he wants to go to an arch rival, the Swans owe him nothing. They will look incredibly stupid if they lose to Hawthorn next year off the back of Tom Mitchell bringing Hawthorn's contested ball numbers back into respectable territory. The same might be true of other clubs, but with Hawthorn it's almost certain.

Of course they're better off letting him walk to a lower club than accepting peanuts (anything other than a top 10 pick) from a rival. The odds of one of Carlton, Saints or Melbourne being in the same position as Hawthorn in the next 3 years is pretty remote (maybe one will, but probably not.). It's an 18 team competition, the Swans would rather Mitchell was at 13 other clubs before Hawthorn, and they all happen to be ahead of Hawthorn in the PSD.
We are not sending him to the PSD! A first rounder is a good asset. I'd be happy to draft another Zac Jones type at that pick.
 

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Trading is all about giving a bit here and there too. One trade you might slightly 'win', the next you might slightly 'lose'. There is a reason why every trade involving Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong happen quickly and efficiently.

Clubs rarely hardball, and not every club is GWS who are unique with multiple assets who can wait out players wanting to go home as they have a zillion A graders!
Spot on.

Now if we can just get through to the "Why would the Swans trade him to a main rival" mob.
 

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Spot on.

Now if we can just get through to the "Why would the Swans trade him to a main rival" brigade to work this out.
To be fair, it isn't Sydney supporters mainly saying that. Most of us are saying that if he goes we will be annoyed/disappointed, but a trade will be done that is reasonably fair for both parties.
 
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As soon as he announces he wants to go to an arch rival, the Swans owe him nothing. They will look incredibly stupid if they lose to Hawthorn next year off the back of Tom Mitchell bringing Hawthorn's contested ball numbers back into respectable territory. The same might be true of other clubs, but with Hawthorn it's almost certain.

Of course they're better off letting him walk to a lower club than accepting peanuts (anything other than a top 10 pick) from a rival. The odds of one of Carlton, Saints or Melbourne being in the same position as Hawthorn in the next 3 years is pretty remote (maybe one will, but probably not.). It's an 18 team competition, the Swans would rather Mitchell was at 13 other clubs before Hawthorn, and they all happen to be ahead of Hawthorn in the PSD.
So pick 14 is peanuts? Just to be clear you would reject pick 14 and take nothing, rather than see Mitchell play for Hawthorn! You think it's that important to the clubs future trading position to draw a line in the sand over Mitchell, a guy that you can't offer to pay anywhere near his actual market wage!

I bet normal Swans fans are glad you aren't the list manager.

Edit: I see you're actually a Bombers fan. That explains a lot.
 
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Both clubs have a great working relationship. I have no doubt that we would want your 2017 first though, can see us going for that rather that 2016.
Just out of curiosity...why would you prefer next years first when there is no guarantee it is higher in the draft order than #14 and this draft's first round is supposedly as thick on quality as it is?

Not questioning your statement just curious as to why thats all
 

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We are not sending him to the PSD! A first rounder is a good asset. I'd be happy to draft another Zac Jones type at that pick.
The point is that they could probably get a high second round pick from Carlton, Essendon or St Kilda which would be about 5-6 spots below Hawthorn's first round pick. Take the pick 20-0dd and an arch rival is denied a gun player. Or take a slightly better pick and hand a key rival a gun.

He won't go to the PSD, but Swans can use the PSD draft position to their advantage.
 
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The point is that they could probably get a high second round pick from Carlton, Essendon or St Kilda which would be about 5-6 spots below Hawthorn's first round pick. Take the pick 20-0dd and an arch rival is denied a gun player. Or take a slightly better pick and hand a key rival a gun.

He won't go to the PSD, but Swans can use the PSD draft position to their advantage.
Give it up. Its clear your argument is based more on hating Hawthorn than common sense.
 
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