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Analysis Tom Mitchell

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Dan87 said:
Horse prioritises spread. Its what makes us a force. We take a 50/50 contest to goal quicker than Port.

Doesn't mean winning clearances are not central.

But the key to success in 2015 is in our transition game according to this move from Horse IMO.

I believe him and can see the value Towers brings in converting 50/50 contests into scoring opportunities. Mitchell provides much less in that circumstance.
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and Mitchell has shown that he is very capable of getting a lot of the ball so clearly his spread is not too bad. Both Jetta and Rohan are very quick but neither are capable of finding the ball anywhere near as much.
 
RUNVS said:
and Mitchell has shown that he is very capable of getting a lot of the ball so clearly his spread is not too bad. Both Jetta and Rohan are very quick but neither are capable of finding the ball anywhere near as much.
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Yes but they are two of the most explosive and mercurial players in 50/50 contests.
 
Dan87 said:
I believe him and can see the value Towers brings in converting 50/50 contests into scoring opportunities. Mitchell provides much less in that circumstance.
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Both played 6 senior games last year. Positionally you have to say Towers was played forward. Despite this he kicked 1 more goal than Mitchell - a whopping 3 total to 2.

I am not saying he is a dud or Mitchell is the messiah but I know what player I would rather footy with.

In a true 50/50 I would back Mitchell getting the ball in the first place to give himself the the prerequisite for having a shot on goal.

All through my many years of reading the board the mantra has always been if you perform you stay, if you deserve a spot on performance you get a chance. Except if your names Mitchell then every deficiency perceived or otherwise is brought up.

Can't quite work it out to be honest. Reids averages over a more sustained period are slightly better than Towers but is questioned mercilessly.

I am not trying to be a prick but it seems some players are treated vastly differently.

Anyway let us both hope Towers and Mitchell both play and kick some arse.
 

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I think both sides have valid arguments for having Mitchell in or out of the squad.

Now I am a massive Swans apologist, and will once again go in to bat for them in saying that I will back the coaching staff and leadership group to know more about how Mitchell is performing at training, and whether he is meeting expectations for the role put down for him.

The ressie watchers will be keenly tapped for info on his NEAFL performances, and how the coaches see his role in 2015.

All I will say is that I watched all three NAB matches, and Mitchell did not impress me all that much. Yes, he wasn't in the middle doing what he does best, but you play the role that you're given.
 
I'm sorry I can understand people frustrated with the over-rating of Mitchell but 'he can only play one position' is exaggeration at best...where was he playing in 2013 when these same people were saying he's the next big thing..that's right half forward! Also how many players who do we already have who can play multiple positions, some of them who don't play any all that well and only get a game because they're 'flexible'. There's no justification, no matter which way you spon it, for continuing to giving some players multiple chances despite ordinary form and dropping Mitchell for playing well, in place of said ordinary players.
He needs to improve his kicking skills..much like every single current player on our list, Kirk was slow and had average kicking skills as well. So the whole he's slow, so he can't play thing is a bit laughable.

There's too over-rating of 'speed' on here as there is of anything else. 25 slowly won possessions is generally better than 8 slightly faster moving possessions any-day of the week. Someone needs to win the clearances to give the down-hill skiing types the ball.
Right now we have too many low possession winning quick players (and KP position players) who are relying on Kennedy, Parker, Jack and Hannebery to get them the ball. Right now the team needs someone to give those guys some assistance on the inside winning the hard ball and laying tackles, more than it needs another bloke standing on the outside waving his arms around and providing giving half-arsed quick moving but never the less broken tackles.
 
i think we're generally overrating Mitchell because of his price tag and the way he came into the club as a highly rated youngster.

at this point, he's just another player on the senior list. whether you're pick 1 or pick 46, once you're on the list you're competing with others for a spot in the 22.

it comes down to where you are in the pecking order in your primary position, your ability to play other positions, and the balance of the list.

he may be a better player than someone else who's getting a game, but if there's a vacant position to be filled, and there's a player better suited for THAT position, then they'll get selected over Mitchell, simple as that.

he's behind one of the league's best players in his primary position, if he had more strings to his bow he'd be an automatic selection.

at this point in his career he's not quite there, but there's no need to panic, he'll establish himself in time.

omission in round 1 doesn't mean he's on the outer, there's still plenty of time in the season for him to get an opportunity to cement his place in the side.
 
swansfan51 said:
1) It isn't that they don't see him in the best 22, they don't see him in the best 25. McPoint and McGlynn aren't named.

2) 'Long term plans' would suggest he is being groomed to replace an ageing midfielder. There aren't any in that team.

Surely he's too valuable, both on salary and trade currency, to be kept if hes outside the best 25. He could be traded for a player they actually rate, or a draft pick for academy bidding purposes.
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I just annoyed my sleeping wife because I saw your "McPoint" couldnt stop my laughing and totally agree, was weak as.
 
Number37 said:
Take him to Adelaide and put him head to head with Wines. Would be a fascinating contest between the 2, but Mitchell is good enough to beat him such is his inside skill.
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You recon Mitchell can beat Wines? I'd be seriously hoping he isn't pantsed too much if they matchup together. Wines is just better, period.
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
You recon Mitchell can beat Wines? I'd be seriously hoping he isn't pantsed too much if they matchup together. Wines is just better, period.
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I am a big fan of Wines but Mitchell is just as good (IMO better) with the inside game.
Most other teams would give their right one for a player like Mitchell, we can't find a spot for him. Don't get me wrong, it is the right move to leave him out in the short term, but long term we either have to give him a go or trade him and get some benefit.
 

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Number37 said:
I am a big fan of Wines but Mitchell is just as good (IMO better) with the inside game.
Most other teams would give their right one for a player like Mitchell, we can't find a spot for him. Don't get me wrong, it is the right move to leave him out in the short term, but long term we either have to give him a go or trade him and get some benefit.
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Honestly he is the wildcard this coming off season. He either gets in the starting 18, or he is traded to clear some space to get Dunkley and Mills. For the record I hate talking about trading this early!
 
Hannebery
Kennedy
Jack
Mcveigh
Parker
Bird
Mitchell
Heeney

Have I missed anyone?

I would absolutely hate to be on the selection committee....

Oh and some bloke called Adam Goodes wants to float around the midfield at times too.
 
Mcveigh said:
Hannebery
Kennedy
Jack
Mcveigh
Parker
Bird
Mitchell
Heeney

Have I missed anyone?

I would absolutely hate to be on the selection committee....

Oh and some bloke called Adam Goodes wants to float around the midfield at times too.
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I thought it would be an interesting exercise to reorder your list by the key inside midfield stats - combined contested possessions and clearances per minute (IE factoring in time on ground).

1) Josh Kennedy
2) Luke Parker
3) Tom Mitchell
4) Daniel Hannebery
5) Craig Bird
6) Kieren Jack
7) Jarrad McVeigh
 
RUNVS said:
If Longmire won't play Mitchell we do not deserve to have him.
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This appears to be the nub of it, when all's said and done. Sad or not sad, I'm not sure, but he's a valuable asset, especially come trade time, given what we'll need to give up to get Mills.

BTW, does anyone know what type of player Mills is? Tall forward, KPD, another hardened mid?? I know nothing about him, other than he's rated as a potential number 1 draft pick.
 

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db swannie said:
This appears to be the nub of it, when all's said and done. Sad or not sad, I'm not sure, but he's a valuable asset, especially come trade time, given what we'll need to give up to get Mills.

BTW, does anyone know what type of player Mills is? Tall forward, KPD, another hardened mid?? I know nothing about him, other than he's rated as a potential number 1 draft pick.
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Inside mid
 

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