Analysis Tom Mitchell

[Greg Ryan]

Why becuase I don't see him as the next Ablett. My point has been the same all along, he needs to show form. Poor pre season, and Heeney has jumped ahead (rightly so). There isn't a position for him right now and we aren't changing our whole game plan to fit one player in, regardless of whonthat player is.

A poster called Matt80 on another Swans supporters website has, in my opinion, come up with the most plausible reason why Tom Mitchell is not being selected.

He believes that Longmire will never play Kennedy, Parker, Bird and Mitchell in the same team. He labels those four players slower, inside midfield extractors. He states continually that Longmire will only ever pick a maximum of three slower, inside midfield extractors. The three incumbents at the moment are Parker, Kennedy and Bird.

He believes that the only way Mitchell will be selected is if one of Parker, Kennedy and Bird are out of the team.

The theory has held up for most of last year and the 2015 season thus far. Mitchell did play two senior games at the end of 2014 when Kennedy and Bird were out with injury. When Kennedy and Bird were back for the finals, Mitchell was omitted despite his good performances in those two senior games.

I would monitor the theory and see if it holds up for the rest of season 2015.

 

[Millky95]

A poster called Matt80 on another Swans supporters website has, in my opinion, come up with the most plausible reason why Tom Mitchell is not being selected.

He believes that Longmire will never play Kennedy, Parker, Bird and Mitchell in the same team. He labels those four players slower, inside midfield extractors. He states continually that Longmire will only ever pick a maximum of three slower, inside midfield extractors. The three incumbents at the moment are Parker, Kennedy and Bird.

He believes that the only way Mitchell will be selected is if one of Parker, Kennedy and Bird are out of the team.

The theory has held up for most of last year and the 2015 season thus far. Mitchell did play two senior games at the end of 2014 when Kennedy and Bird were out with injury. When Kennedy and Bird were back for the finals, Mitchell was omitted despite his good performances in those two senior games.

I would monitor the theory and see if it holds up for the rest of season 2015.

Yeah makes sense. Plus Bird can tag, while Parker and Kennedy can push forward

 

[The King!]

A poster called Matt80 on another Swans supporters website has, in my opinion, come up with the most plausible reason why Tom Mitchell is not being selected.

He believes that Longmire will never play Kennedy, Parker, Bird and Mitchell in the same team. He labels those four players slower, inside midfield extractors. He states continually that Longmire will only ever pick a maximum of three slower, inside midfield extractors. The three incumbents at the moment are Parker, Kennedy and Bird.

He believes that the only way Mitchell will be selected is if one of Parker, Kennedy and Bird are out of the team.

The theory has held up for most of last year and the 2015 season thus far. Mitchell did play two senior games at the end of 2014 when Kennedy and Bird were out with injury. When Kennedy and Bird were back for the finals, Mitchell was omitted despite his good performances in those two senior games.

I would monitor the theory and see if it holds up for the rest of season 2015.

Thats not a new theory its the same one peddled out here

Shame mitchell out performs the others at times

 

[brentman]

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A poster called Matt80 on another Swans supporters website has, in my opinion, come up with the most plausible reason why Tom Mitchell is not being selected.

He believes that Longmire will never play Kennedy, Parker, Bird and Mitchell in the same team. He labels those four players slower, inside midfield extractors. He states continually that Longmire will only ever pick a maximum of three slower, inside midfield extractors. The three incumbents at the moment are Parker, Kennedy and Bird.

He believes that the only way Mitchell will be selected is if one of Parker, Kennedy and Bird are out of the team.

The theory has held up for most of last year and the 2015 season thus far. Mitchell did play two senior games at the end of 2014 when Kennedy and Bird were out with injury. When Kennedy and Bird were back for the finals, Mitchell was omitted despite his good performances in those two senior games.

I would monitor the theory and see if it holds up for the rest of season 2015.

read this thread..... thats been explained many times before

 

[LukeParkerno1]

A poster called Matt80 on another Swans supporters website has, in my opinion, come up with the most plausible reason why Tom Mitchell is not being selected.

He believes that Longmire will never play Kennedy, Parker, Bird and Mitchell in the same team. He labels those four players slower, inside midfield extractors. He states continually that Longmire will only ever pick a maximum of three slower, inside midfield extractors. The three incumbents at the moment are Parker, Kennedy and Bird.

He believes that the only way Mitchell will be selected is if one of Parker, Kennedy and Bird are out of the team.

The theory has held up for most of last year and the 2015 season thus far. Mitchell did play two senior games at the end of 2014 when Kennedy and Bird were out with injury. When Kennedy and Bird were back for the finals, Mitchell was omitted despite his good performances in those two senior games.

I would monitor the theory and see if it holds up for the rest of season 2015.

That isn't a theory, it is what Longmire has said over and over again. Mitchell needs to either be better than those players OR he needs to be versatile and be able to play in other positions, like in the forward line. The issue there is Heeney plays that role better.

 

[The King!]

The only reason i spend so much time in this thread is all things considered Tom Mitchell has not been given the same chances that worse performed players have, not even close.

Yes i understand the structures and match ups, but he has often out performed all the other inside mids in his short sample.

He is a consistent performer in the reserves, he has more talent than half the senior side and he is the son of a club legend.

Given our touch up in the grand final, given those who get opportunities and in spite of team structures i cannot fathom why he has not played more, especially in the NAB cup ffs

 

[LukeParkerno1]

The only reason i spend so much time in this thread is all things considered Tom Mitchell has not been given the same chances that worse performed players have, not even close.

Yes i understand the structures and match ups, but he has often out performed all the other inside mids in his short sample.

He is a consistent performer in the reserves, he has more talent than half the senior side and he is the son of a club legend.

Given our touch up in the grand final, given those who get opportunities and in spite of team structures i cannot fathom why he has not played more, especially in the NAB cup ffs

Lets not bring into the fact he is a son of a club legend. Means diddly squat.Whether you are pick 1 or pick 120, you come to the club with the same thing. You have to perform and prove yourself according to team structures and what not. Now has Mitchell been unlucky, last year yes he was. Not so sure he has been this season. Hasn't really had an outstanding game yet, and that I'm sure will happen in the next month, and he will force his way in eventually. Heaney will get a rest in the 2nd half of the season.

In the NAB Cup, I guess the thinking was trying to find him a position that wasn't an inside (where he wasn't forcing out a few players, that is just reality). Now did they do that correctly, not so sure, but he wasn't great in the NAB Cup.

 

[The King!]

Lets not bring into the fact he is a son of a club legend. Means diddly squat.Whether you are pick 1 or pick 120, you come to the club with the same thing. You have to perform and prove yourself according to team structures and what not. Now has Mitchell been unlucky, last year yes he was. Not so sure he has been this season. Hasn't really had an outstanding game yet, and that I'm sure will happen in the next month, and he will force his way in eventually. Heaney will get a rest in the 2nd half of the season.

In the NAB Cup, I guess the thinking was trying to find him a position that wasn't an inside (where he wasn't forcing out a few players, that is just reality). Now did they do that correctly, not so sure, but he wasn't great in the NAB Cup.

Son of a club legend is a reason for the intrigue and interest in Mitchell, stupid to pretend otherwise, does not guarantee games and means diddly squat at the selection table I agree, but it does however mean there is a keen interest, not to mention he was highly rated, GWS wanted him, we signed him long term and on big coin for a rookie, it means fans want to see him.

Has he been unlucky, your answer is yes last year and I agree he should of played and that was my point, now if thats the case did he not deserve a go? how come round 1 the same people who got smashed in the grand final and cost this club big time got another go first up? who paid the price for their performance last year? because none of them did the job when it mattered.

How many minutes did Mitchell get in the NAB? He was second sub in the last game, he was emergency round 1 v Essendon, he has been one of the better reserves players has he not? out performed Mcglynn for a start.

Also my main point was whilst i accept the structures keep Mitchell out, I think its ridiculous to think with his talent we have not at least thought bugger it and picked him anyway to see if it works or see if one can play another role, we tried to keep playing that over tall forward line last year for instance.

I was just bringing it to basics, structures aside he has not been given the same go others have simple as that

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Son of a club legend is a reason for the intrigue and interest in Mitchell, stupid to pretend otherwise, does not guarantee games and means diddly squat at the selection table I agree, but it does however mean there is a keen interest, not to mention he was highly rated, GWS wanted him, we signed him long term and on big coin for a rookie, it means fans want to see him.

Has he been unlucky, your answer is yes last year and I agree he should of played and that was my point, now if thats the case did he not deserve a go? how come round 1 the same people who got smashed in the grand final and cost this club big time got another go first up? who paid the price for their performance last year? because none of them did the job when it mattered.

How many minutes did Mitchell get in the NAB? He was second sub in the last game, he was emergency round 1 v Essendon, he has been one of the better reserves players has he not? out performed Mcglynn for a start.

Also my main point was whilst i accept the structures keep Mitchell out, I think its ridiculous to think with his talent we have not at least thought bugger it and picked him anyway to see if it works or see if one can play another role, we tried to keep playing that over tall forward line last year for instance.

I was just bringing it to basics, structures aside he has not been given the same go others have simple as that

Fans wanting to see him shouldn't come into it. A good coach doesn't let emotion come into it, he makes the decision based on the best 22 for the game, simple.

He was unlucky last year but only because we were stupidly playing McGlynn as an inside when he doesn't get enough ball. If we do that this year I'll be the first bloke to say ' get McGlynn out of there and put Mitchell in'. There was a line of thought that the 22 on GF day deserved another chance. People forget the players that had really poor games were our young players quite a bit. That isn't saying the experienced players were outstanding, but they were less rubbish.

The tall forward line works, it is a nightmare to match up on. If anything we miss that small lead forward (talking a Bruest type/Ballentyne/Walters/etc)

My view is that I hope in the NEAFL he gets to play forward a bit, we know he is a great rover but he aint getting Kennedy out so he needs to show something else.

 

[Punts]

Same shit different day this thread

 

[The King!]

Fans wanting to see him shouldn't come into it. A good coach doesn't let emotion come into it, he makes the decision based on the best 22 for the game, simple.

He was unlucky last year but only because we were stupidly playing McGlynn as an inside when he doesn't get enough ball. If we do that this year I'll be the first bloke to say ' get McGlynn out of there and put Mitchell in'. There was a line of thought that the 22 on GF day deserved another chance. People forget the players that had really poor games were our young players quite a bit. That isn't saying the experienced players were outstanding, but they were less rubbish.

The tall forward line works, it is a nightmare to match up on. If anything we miss that small lead forward (talking a Bruest type/Ballentyne/Walters/etc)

My view is that I hope in the NEAFL he gets to play forward a bit, we know he is a great rover but he aint getting Kennedy out so he needs to show something else.

I dont disagree though

I just was saying why i think Tom Mitchell has a 20 page thread when we dont all care about say Brandon Jack and where the hell he is at

 

[swansfan51]

I dont disagree though

I just was saying why i think Tom Mitchell has a 20 page thread when we dont all care about say Brandon Jack and where the hell he is at

If Brandon Jack has 29 disposals and 13 tackles in a game and gets dropped, start a thread.
If Brandon Jack outperforms most of the senior players, start a thread.
If Brandon Jack has 2 best on ground performances in 3 weeks and other players are promoted ahead of him, start a thread.

Until then, this thread is all you need.

 

[The King!]

If Brandon Jack has 29 disposals and 13 tackles in a game and gets dropped, start a thread.
If Brandon Jack outperforms most of the senior players, start a thread.
If Brandon Jack has 2 best on ground performances in 3 weeks and other players are promoted ahead of him, start a thread.

Until then, this thread is all you need.

If Brandon Jack is a on a long term highly paid for his age contract and not played start a thread?

 

[MarkP]

Same shit different day this thread

Tom probably says same shit different day this selection policy

 

[MC Bad Genius]

I don't think the interest has much (if anything) to do with either his dad or his pay check. The interest is on his form in the NEAFL and his mature transition to the top league when he has gotten the call-up. If Heeney goes to the reserves and can't make his way back into the seniors, there will be a similar-sized thread on here.

The reason why is simple: we've seen them play at AFL level and they killed it!!!

And all this crap about him burning the footy is complete nonsense. He's an inside player. His "disposal efficiency" (a ridiculously biased and misleading stat) is lower than others simply because he is under more pressure, just like all inside mids. One thing that is often missed is that if the outside players are off their game and don't make space, the extractors have to kick blindly out of the pack. The important thing is a player's perceived pressure. If they blindly kick it when the pressure isn't that high, you've got a problem (see late-career ROK), but that's not what's going on here.

Mitchell is going to be a fantastic footballer. If not at the Swans, he will be at one of the 17 clubs, all who would happily have him.

 

[krisholio14]

I don't think the interest has much (if anything) to do with either his dad or his pay check. The interest is on his form in the NEAFL and his mature transition to the top league when he has gotten the call-up. If Heeney goes to the reserves and can't make his way back into the seniors, there will be a similar-sized thread on here.

The reason why is simple: we've seen them play at AFL level and they killed it!!!

And all this crap about him burning the footy is complete nonsense. He's an inside player. His "disposal efficiency" (a ridiculously biased and misleading stat) is lower than others simply because he is under more pressure, just like all inside mids. One thing that is often missed is that if the outside players are off their game and don't make space, the extractors have to kick blindly out of the pack. The important thing is a player's perceived pressure. If they blindly kick it when the pressure isn't that high, you've got a problem (see late-career ROK), but that's not what's going on here.

Mitchell is going to be a fantastic footballer. If not at the Swans, he will be at one of the 17 clubs, all who would happily have him.

We'll take him if he's surplus to your requirements. He's exactly what we need right now. I'm sure we've got a spud ruckman lying around somewhere to facilitate a trade

 

[swansfan51]

His "disposal efficiency" (a ridiculously biased and misleading stat) is lower than others simply because he is under more pressure, just like all inside mids.

Mitchell's disposal efficiency last year was better than every single midfielder at our club except McPoint.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

Mitchell's disposal efficiency last year was better than every single midfielder at our club except McPoint.

It's a useless stat either way, but from watching the games he's played in, he certainly doesn't burn it as much as is being suggested in this thread. The guy is AFL-ready.

 

[bungee]

Since Tom (as an inside mid) is (effectively) competing for a game against Bird, Parker & Kennedy we should focus on those 3. Kennedy is the prototype of the perfect inside mid and, despite the enormous attention he gets, continues to extract footballs like a monkey picking nuts. He's a strong overhead mark and a very smart user of the ball. He takes pressure off our other mids just by his very presence. One who performed in the GF. Category : Necessary personnel. Bird is a talented 2 way player. Not only does he normally shut down an opposition playmaker but his 20+ possessions/game and offensive stats suggest he makes his opponent pay. He (arguably) cost Shiel 14 possessions (half his average) on the weekend while getting 22 of his own. A positive balance for the Swans of 38 possessions alone. One who performed in the GF Category : Necessary personnel. Parker is the toughest nut going around. Throws his weight around inside but can also be very damaging going forward with an overhead mark beyond his height and an uncanny ability to kick superhumanly difficult goals. Didn't perform to expectations in the GF but did win the club's B&F. Category : Necessary personnel.

So essentially, like everyone else has argued, Mitchell would smash the midfield in any other team BUT, unless there's an injury, suspension or (unlikely) drop in form of one of these three (all not yet reached peak output as defined by average Brownlow age) then he's going to have to find another role or continue to dominate the NEAFL. Two or three years down the track things may have changed but, for the good of the Swans, we have a spare inside Mid capable of performing at the intense level that our high stoppage game requires when and if he is needed. IMO we need to have that depth to remain at our most beast-like competitiveness. In the absence of injury, drop of form or suspension he could relieve any of those players either to freshen them for finals or simply to make sure that he stays in top form himself. I think it's not unreasonable to expect to see Tom play 4 or 5 inside mid games this year and however many games he can get by increasing his flexibility to play other positions. Either that or he could pull the pin and walk but I think that would send a poor message about his endeavour.

 

[Swansujelly]

that's true enough, but he would want to be playing in the 1's, and his patience must be wearing thin. If he ends up playing only 5-6 games this year, I rekon he'll request a trade.

 

[bungee]

that's true enough, but he would want to be playing in the 1's, and his patience must be wearing thin. If he ends up playing only 5-6 games this year, I rekon he'll request a trade.

You don't think he'll put the work in to make himself more flexible ?

 

[Theprofessional]

I don't think Tom spending this year and possibly next year to reinvent himself to also play up front- while playing reserves is a good move... If I was him I'd be looking to leave if I was forced to play reserves for most of this year while dominating/developing other roles.


I find it hard to believe we can't have 4 inside midfielders tbh. Especially with kennedy's/parkers ability to push forward and Bird frequently tagging/head to head with players.

 

[vonn]

I know this is contrary to what I've said before but today I'm just thinking that structures have been completely overrated IMO. Footy is not really so complex a game that if you play one more inside mid (who actually can go forward, but just misses his opportunities with his poor finishing) than your 'structure' allows for you're going to lose the game. I'd believe this theory if Mitchell came on and suddenly we went 0-X, but the games he has played in, he's been at the very least in the Top 10. Finals football is contested and hard. Why are we persisting with players like Towers (who admittedly hasn't been half bad) over quality like Mitchell beats me. I know they're not like for like players, but I know who I'd rather in finals footy and their initials are not D.T. Mitchell can try and increase his versatility or add new skills to his game but he sure as hell won't learn what is required in NEAFL. I can't think of one player off the top of my head who managed to go back in there and learn a completely new role, then come back and perform well at AFL level. It's amusing how many players can get a chance to redesign themselves in the AFL team (I'm looking at you Reid) but a guy with Mitchell's potential has to learn it in the seconds.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

I think we can fit him in as well and have the others spend a bit more time forward. Particularly Parker who would really be an asset up forward. Plus our inside mids would be fresher for it. Mitch can ne subbed out for a speedy player in the 4th.

In saying that, I think horse learned not to try to fit a square peg in a round hole with the failed tall forward line.

You don't just do it because it can be done. You do it based on team balance. Unfortunately Mitchell is a casualty as a result.

Fans are hard to please, people want a plan b, People talk about the coach losing the tactical battle but then ask for a player to be played just because they deserve to.

It all starts at the selection table, and it appears horse is making the right decision there. Bad luck for Mitch but the right thing to do

 

[Sanecow]

Just the latest in the dynasty ... Davis / Morton / Mitchell

Probably leadership team issues, should learn to kiss up.