MVP Tommy Boyd - The Boy, The Man, The Premiership Hero

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If you watch the Grand Final post match press conference the time Bevo tears up is when he is talking about Tom. He is quite emotional especially towards the end. (watch between 16:00 to !7:00 minutes).

http://www.afl.com.au/press-conferences
Can't believe this is the first time I've watched this :straining:. Bev must have stunk of Gatorade ;).
 

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If you watch the Grand Final post match press conference the time Bevo tears up is when he is talking about Tom. He is quite emotional especially towards the end. (watch between 16:00 to !7:00 minutes).

http://www.afl.com.au/press-conferences
People's minds can change.

Perhaps Bev was really happy with Boyd after he delivered us a flag

Perhaps last year Bev thought Boyd was an overweight and overpaid kid who'd done little.

Could he have been right at these two very different points in time??
 

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People's minds can change.

Perhaps Bev was really happy with Boyd after he delivered us a flag

Perhaps last year Bev thought Boyd was an overweight and overpaid kid who'd done little.

Could he have been right at these two very different points in time??
This is what happens in the real world isn't it! Thanks as usual for the sensible, balanced viewpoint BRWB.
 

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People's minds can change.

Perhaps Bev was really happy with Boyd after he delivered us a flag

Perhaps last year Bev thought Boyd was an overweight and overpaid kid who'd done little.

Could he have been right at these two very different points in time??
Perhaps the rumours were just malicious gossip spread by people just wanting Boyd to fail.
 

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People's minds can change.

Perhaps Bev was really happy with Boyd after he delivered us a flag

Perhaps last year Bev thought Boyd was an overweight and overpaid kid who'd done little.

Could he have been right at these two very different points in time??
look, some info sounds like info. other info sounds like gossip. despite the medium's proven rep for good info, that particular info was very gossipy. imagine a professional in the industry gas bagging like that. "he doesn't rate him" (simply unbelievable that a coach that believes in every single player on his list wouldn't "rate" one of the best prospects to come through the draft in a decade. "he doesn't rate him as a bloke" yeh like that would be first hand information that can possibly be retrieved from the horses mouth. Fronk is the king, but that's how i read that all along as it seems the most logical conclusion.
 

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Going from not rating someone 'as a bloke' to getting visibly emotional when talking about their success in the space of a couple of months is a heck of a wild turn around. It's almost as if the first part was just made up bullshit.
A year to be fair. I agree it doesn't seem to fit what we've seen and what we know of Bevo
 

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If Bev had that opinion up until that point, he wouldn't have been playing senior football. No matter your opinion on Boyd, that is fact.
If a bloke isn't up to scratch and not in good enough shape to play, he's not getting picked. Particularly a 20 year old kid. That's not opinion, it's fact.
The second post is spot on.

But IIRC Bev dropped Boyd last year for a lengthy period so that could mean that back then Bev didn't overly rate Boyd.
 

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That's an awfully long bow to draw. It's also a long time from when the claims were made.
Honestly don't recall if he was injured but Boyd didn't play after Rd 16 last year. Not sure how that doesn't mesh up with Bev being open to trading him at the end of that year.

But all is well that ends well.
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I don't see where rehashing this gets anyone. Fronk had a source who said that, we know that Fronk is reliable. That is really the end of what we can know. Time to let it go. Bev obviously rates him now whatever was the case before.

I've had work relationships change fairly dramatically, for better and worse. With one employer it was at breaking point but has turned to a position of mutual respect and trust. Things change and I'm sure in the turbulent world of AFL footy this is a more intense feature of day to day business. Just as it seems the perspective of the coaches on Koby took a u-turn for the worse it clearly took one for the better on Tom.

I've heard that Boyd has been dealing with far greater adversity than anyone realises - specifically that an immediate family member has been in an ongoing battle with cancer. If that is the case then his performance at the end of the year is all the more resilient and it speaks a lot about his character (and maybe, if that is the case, there is a reason why the opinion of a coach has changed, although that would simply be further speculation!)
 
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Note that everyone should take that rumour with a grain of salt. My Richmond supporting friend heard it from someone who apparently knows him. I can't verify its veracity.
 

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According to Bev he never had an issue with Boyd outside normal expectations of any footballer in our team. No different ot exceptional. There is a bosic expectation for all listed players as there shoud be
The rest is either made up or exaggerated
 

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If a bloke isn't up to scratch and not in good enough shape to play, he's not getting picked. Particularly a 20 year old kid. That's not opinion, it's fact.
Boyd played multiple games in the VFL in 2015 and 2016, so I don't understand how the "facts" support your point at all.

Nobody (on here at least) really knows what Beveridge thought of any of the players when he arrived at the club, nor do we know if his opinion of anyone changed significantly over the past two years. It would be pretty extraordinary, in my view, if Beveridge's initial impressions of every player remain unaltered to this day. But then again, that is only my opinion.
 

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Going from not rating someone 'as a bloke' to getting visibly emotional when talking about their success in the space of a couple of months is a heck of a wild turn around. It's almost as if the first part was just made up bullshit.
Also, which immortalmike questioned at the time, the reason behind or motive in giving the news as the news of his brush-up with Zordy at the pub became public. If the information was known before that time, why only state it when Boyd was embroiled in controversy? That just heaps it on to a player of the club we all support and with news of that magnitude would probably get back to him indirectly and be pressure to him performing well.

If that information was only passed on to this board the moment it was received, the person who passed it on might also have an axe to grind to heap it onto Boyd in his controversy and there wasn't much critical thinking going on when the information was entirely correct (or that person generally is a reliable source, but for whatever reason is not in this instance).

The original info also had Bev worried about the salary cap implications and the fact that Boyd was taking a chunk out of the salary cap. This also runs contrary to what we've heard of Bev and his relationship with long-term planning and salary cap room, in that he hates it. We've heard from multiple sources including our list manager himself that in discussions with Bev when we'd tell him our "window" is in a few years from now, if we won the flag we'd be the least experienced and youngest to do so in the 21st century, etc. etc, Bev would have this belief of "there are no limits to what we could achieve" and he'd push confidence in the whole playing group. That doesn't seem like the same person who was worried about the intricacies of how Boyd's contract impacts the salary cap next year, or the fact he has such an interest in the salary cap he's willing to pay for part of Boyd's contract to trade him.

Combined with the most obvious evidence that he was emotional talking about Boyd being a turn around, I don't think there's any truth in the original post whatsoever. That's not to say what was posted here wasn't believed to be true at the time, if the post was made at the same time the source told the information it could just be whoever was a normally reliable source for whatever reason having an axe to grind against the Dogs/Boyd and passing on a little fib among otherwise reliable information.
 

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Also, which immortalmike questioned at the time, the reason behind or motive in giving the news as the news of his brush-up with Zordy at the pub became public. If the information was known before that time, why only state it when Boyd was embroiled in controversy? That just heaps it on to a player of the club we all support and with news of that magnitude would probably get back to him indirectly and be pressure to him performing well.

If that information was only passed on to this board the moment it was received, the person who passed it on might also have an axe to grind to heap it onto Boyd in his controversy and there wasn't much critical thinking going on when the information was entirely correct (or that person generally is a reliable source, but for whatever reason is not in this instance).

The original info also had Bev worried about the salary cap implications and the fact that Boyd was taking a chunk out of the salary cap. This also runs contrary to what we've heard of Bev and his relationship with long-term planning and salary cap room, in that he hates it. We've heard from multiple sources including our list manager himself that in discussions with Bev when we'd tell him our "window" is in a few years from now, if we won the flag we'd be the least experienced and youngest to do so in the 21st century, etc. etc, Bev would have this belief of "there are no limits to what we could achieve" and he'd push confidence in the whole playing group. That doesn't seem like the same person who was worried about the intricacies of how Boyd's contract impacts the salary cap next year, or the fact he has such an interest in the salary cap he's willing to pay for part of Boyd's contract to trade him.

Combined with the most obvious evidence that he was emotional talking about Boyd being a turn around, I don't think there's any truth in the original post whatsoever. That's not to say what was posted here wasn't believed to be true at the time, if the post was made at the same time the source told the information it could just be whoever was a normally reliable source for whatever reason having an axe to grind against the Dogs/Boyd and passing on a little fib among otherwise reliable information.
This, this and this.
 

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Also, which immortalmike questioned at the time, the reason behind or motive in giving the news as the news of his brush-up with Zordy at the pub became public. If the information was known before that time, why only state it when Boyd was embroiled in controversy? That just heaps it on to a player of the club we all support and with news of that magnitude would probably get back to him indirectly and be pressure to him performing well.

If that information was only passed on to this board the moment it was received, the person who passed it on might also have an axe to grind to heap it onto Boyd in his controversy and there wasn't much critical thinking going on when the information was entirely correct (or that person generally is a reliable source, but for whatever reason is not in this instance).

The original info also had Bev worried about the salary cap implications and the fact that Boyd was taking a chunk out of the salary cap. This also runs contrary to what we've heard of Bev and his relationship with long-term planning and salary cap room, in that he hates it. We've heard from multiple sources including our list manager himself that in discussions with Bev when we'd tell him our "window" is in a few years from now, if we won the flag we'd be the least experienced and youngest to do so in the 21st century, etc. etc, Bev would have this belief of "there are no limits to what we could achieve" and he'd push confidence in the whole playing group. That doesn't seem like the same person who was worried about the intricacies of how Boyd's contract impacts the salary cap next year, or the fact he has such an interest in the salary cap he's willing to pay for part of Boyd's contract to trade him.

Combined with the most obvious evidence that he was emotional talking about Boyd being a turn around, I don't think there's any truth in the original post whatsoever. That's not to say what was posted here wasn't believed to be true at the time, if the post was made at the same time the source told the information it could just be whoever was a normally reliable source for whatever reason having an axe to grind against the Dogs/Boyd and passing on a little fib among otherwise reliable information.
And I copped endless shit for it. I learned my lesson that day. Sometimes it's just not worth it.
 
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