Tony Lockett was better than Wayne Carey or Ablett Snr

[My Tilly]

The famous Salmon match in 1993 gets talked about a lot, but really his 89 PF against you guys was as close to perfection as you will see, especially considering what happened two weeks prior when you smashed us. I’m pretty sure after that match Tim Watson said something along the lines of there’s great players & then there’s Gary Ablett.

Round 18 - 1990 he had three different opponents. Hamilton, Watson and Daniher. Beat them all kicking 8 goals and guess what, we still found a way to lose the game.

 

[Vdubs]

It was led by him.

The Coleman medalist he had playing in the same forward line probably had a small part to play in it as well

And McKernan- he was a rare player as well.

 

[Evolved1]

And McKernan- he was a rare player as well.

Billy Brownless and Gavin Excell were both as good as Horse. John Longmire's Coleman winning tally was lower than multiple Coleman winner Fraser Gehrig's in 2004, just for comparison.

Corey McKernan had one brilliant year bookended by multiple years of undrachievement. The only thing rare about him was 1996, which in hindsight was an outlier. It's best to think of him as the predecessor to Shane Woewoden.

 

[Vdubs]

Billy Brownless and Gavin Excell were both as good as Horse. John Longmire's Coleman winning tally was lower than multiple Coleman winner Fraser Gehrig's in 2004, just for comparison.

Corey McKernan had one brilliant year bookended by multiple years of undrachievement. The only thing rare about him was 1996, which in hindsight was an outlier. It's best to think of him as the predecessor to Shane Woewoden.

So how did Ablett average 111 goals a year for his last 4 years when he was FINALLY a full-time FF, surrounded by such stars?
You didn't mention Bruce Lindner or Barry Stoneham

 

[Vdubs]

In Carey’s case, he seemed to single handedly drag his team over the line to two flags

let’s just say plugger and Ablett had other priorities

Absolutely incorrect
Was ok in their win v Swans(Archer, McKernan, Stevens ahead of him), and not even in the best in their win v Blues.
No NS medals.
Ablett won a NS in a losing team.

 

[Monkey King]

... and not even in the best in their win v Blues.

Was held kickless to halftime, but did play an important role in the second half when he moved away from SOS and into the midfield.

 

[PhatBoy]

Billy Brownless and Gavin Excell were both as good as Horse. John Longmire's Coleman winning tally was lower than multiple Coleman winner Fraser Gehrig's in 2004, just for comparison.

Corey McKernan had one brilliant year bookended by multiple years of undrachievement. The only thing rare about him was 1996, which in hindsight was an outlier. It's best to think of him as the predecessor to Shane Woewoden.

Gavin Excell was as good as Longmire? Get off the pipe mate.
Brownless you could MAYBE mount a case for as being in a similar sphere

 

[My Tilly]

Gavin Excell was as good as Longmire? Get off the pipe mate.
Brownless you could MAYBE mount a case for as being in a similar sphere

Brownless similar sphere to McKernan?

Not even close. McKernan was a champion.
Won an MVP, should have won a Brownlow (when he polled most votes but was suspended), B&F winner, over 300 goals and one of the best contested marks of the 90's.
Brownless was a great mark but he's not close to McKernan overall.

Stoneham in his prime is possibly comparable but he didn't maintain it long enough due to injury.

 

[footyfan1978]

McKernan was a champion.

Not really. Had a few really top years but he well short of genuine champion status.

 

[PhatBoy]

Brownless similar sphere to McKernan?

Not even close. McKernan was a champion.
Won an MVP, should have won a Brownlow (when he polled most votes but was suspended), B&F winner, over 300 goals and one of the best contested marks of the 90's.
Brownless was a great mark but he's not close to McKernan overall.

Stoneham in his prime is possibly comparable but he didn't maintain it long enough due to injury.

To Longmire. I think he’s inferior anyway but he’s closer to the argument than Excell

 

[My Tilly]

To Longmire. I think he’s inferior anyway but he’s closer to the argument than Excell

Yeh no disrespect to Exell but he only managed 58 games.

Longmire had 500 goals on the board after 180 odd games before spending his last season and a bit as a key defender.
Really not even sure if supporters watched some of these past players or if they look at the statistics to form judgement.

Exell was one a glaring issues Geelong faced in the 80's. When games got heated and testing out there, some blokes wanted no part of it while only a very select few would roll up the sleeves and go in for their mates.

 

[Asifhe Givashe]

Not really. Had a few really top years but he well short of genuine champion status.

Garbage.

1994 Rising Star Winner
Sensational in 1995 Finals
1996 AFL MVP + Brownlow + Norm Smith IMO 29 pos in GF.
1997 Knee inj Rd1 + Shoulder reco (never quite the same) but still played ripper Semi Final v West Coast
1998 not his best year
1999 3 awesome goals in the GF like ******* huge, one in particular from 70 was outrageous.
Then it went a bit downhill but still managed a bnf at Carlton before coming back to us for a few games, including a remarkable effort in Arch’s 250th.

Was the 2nd best player in a team that played in 7 straight prelims or better.

Champion footballer who was it his best in finals, especially BIG finals.

 

[Kimbo]

Was held kickless to halftime, but did play an important role in the second half when he moved away from SOS and into the midfield.

It was 5-10 minutes, I think, but swung the momentum back our way and, apparently iirc, took the decision himself.

 

[Kimbo]

Brownless similar sphere to McKernan?

Not even close. McKernan was a champion.
Won an MVP, should have won a Brownlow (when he polled most votes but was suspended), B&F winner, over 300 goals and one of the best contested marks of the 90's.
Brownless was a great mark but he's not close to McKernan overall.

Stoneham in his prime is possibly comparable but he didn't maintain it long enough due to injury.

On the mark.

Re Stoneham, his best was good but he didn't have the same capacity for brilliance as McKernan. Very capable, solid and probably underrated.

 

[footyfan1978]

Garbage.

Indeed. You full of it.
Stupidity of McKernan carry on in a thread of true great footballers is laughable... perspective mate.. get it

 

[Captain_Bender]

Was held kickless to halftime, but did play an important role in the second half when he moved away from SOS and into the midfield.

Kickless? Carey kicked North Melbourne's first goal

 

[PhatBoy]

Kickless? Carey kicked North Melbourne's first goal

Junk time based on your 89 criteria

 

[Captain_Bender]

Junk time based on your 89 criteria

Except North Melbourne won in 1999

 

[PhatBoy]

Except North Melbourne won in 1999

Doesn’t matter.

Opening goals don’t count Appaz

 

[Captain_Bender]

Doesn’t matter.

Opening goals don’t count Appaz

Does when you win the game and stand up when the game is on the line unlike Junk Time Gary

 

[Wolfgang West]

Lockett Is the Goat. **** knows how many goals he would have kicked if he had not missed near on 100 games through injuries and suspension. Man was a 112kg Highly skilled Powerhouse Beast. Freak of a player.

 

[PhatBoy]

Does when you win the game and stand up when the game is on the line unlike Junk Time Gary

Oh ok so it’s retrospective now.

Next you’ll be banging on about time travel.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Oh ok so it’s retrospective now.

Next you’ll be banging on about time travel.

Retrospective? One bloke stood up and help his team win a premiership the other kicked cheap junktime goals on the flank

 

[PhatBoy]

Retrospective? One bloke stood up and help his team win a premiership the other kicked cheap junktime goals on the flank

4 goals in the first half, opening of the match.

Keep moving the goalposts and you’ll have 9 goals of your own and a norm smith.

 

[Captain_Bender]

4 goals in the first half, opening of the match.

Keep moving the goalposts and you’ll have 9 goals of your own and a norm smith.

Which most came after Hawthorn was already 40 points up and took the foot off, the games was over at quarter time and if it wasn't for injuries Hawthorn would have flogged Geelong by 100+ like they did in round 1 the next year