Tony Lockett was better than Wayne Carey or Ablett Snr

Lockett Is the Goat. **** knows how many goals he would have kicked if he had not missed near on 100 games through injuries and suspension. Man was a 112kg Highly skilled Powerhouse Beast. Freak of a player.
Ditto Ablett
 
Which most came after Hawthorn was already 40 points up and took the foot off, the games was over at quarter time and if it wasn't for injuries Hawthorn would have flogged Geelong by 100+ like they did in round 1 the next year
You clearly weren't there or haven't seen the game properly.
Regarded by most footy people as the greatest individual GF performance ever.
And to think his game the week before was even better.
 
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Which most came after Hawthorn was already 40 points up and took the foot off, the games was over at quarter time and if it wasn't for injuries Hawthorn would have flogged Geelong by 100+ like they did in round 1 the next year

Hawks didnt take their foot off. Had a couple of players who should have been in ICU. Dipper played on with a deflated lung ffs
 
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You clearly weren't there or haven't seen the game properly.
Regarded by most footy people as the greatest individual GF performance ever.
And to think his game the week before was even better.

Probably couldn’t see the screen properly after years of watching Ablett goals sail over the Tigers cheer squad would be my best guess
 

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Delusional. Lockett would eat Rance for breakfast. The only way Rance has any effect is if they're playing in today's era where team defence helps him out immeasurably. One out like Silvagni back in the 90's? Wouldn't last the half. Richmond were hiding him on lesser forwards for god's sake.



Agreed.

Lockett never played on a defender with the athleticism or game smarts as Rance. Watch some games from the 80s and look at the defenders back then, they're horrible... It's just where the runts of the litters play, and they have no idea how to defend.. they just follow their forward around like a dog on a leash and try to punch the ball. Rance is stronger, faster, MUCH MUCH fitter, better vertical leap, much much much smarter than any defender Lockett played on, that's just reality as much as it hurts your nostalgic bubble.
 
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Beat up on a bottom 4 side, would have s**t himself playing against the Richmond sides of the 60s and 70s


As opposed to say, The Hawthorn sides of the 80s and early 90s who, noted especially for being s**t, he averaged 4 goals a game against. Or the other power side of the era, Essendon. Who he struggled mightily with for 4.5 goals a game

Nah I’m sure he’d have been quaking in his boots mate

It’s only that he got to line up against the likes of Paul Bullis occasionally that got him into football folklore
 
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Lockett never played on a defender with the athleticism or game smarts as Rance. Watch some games from the 80s and look at the defenders back then, they're horrible... It's just where the runts of the litters play, and they have no idea how to defend.. they just follow their forward around like a dog on a leash and try to punch the ball. Rance is stronger, faster, MUCH MUCH fitter, better vertical leap, much much much smarter than any defender Lockett played on, that's just reality as much as it hurts your nostalgic bubble.


He’s much much fitter because every campaigner playing the sport is much much fitter.

How do people not understand this

Do you really think in this day and age, with fitness programs, academies, three month pre seasons, that Lockett wouldn’t be faster and more athletic and fitter if he played today?
 

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As opposed to say, The Hawthorn sides of the 80s and early 90s who, noted especially for being s**t, he averaged 4 goals a game against. Or the other power side of the era, Essendon. Who he struggled mightily with for 4.5 goals a game

Nah I’m sure he’d have been quaking in his boots mate

It’s only that he got to line up against the likes of Paul Bullis occasionally that got him into football folklore
Yet Ablett only played in 3 wins against Hawthorn, yes they would have really been shiting themselves when he line up against them
 
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Yet Ablett only played in 3 wins against Hawthorn, yes they would have really been shiting themselves when he line up against them

The bloke manning him would

But no it was clearly on the guy kicking 25 points a game that we lost to such a good side.

Same as it was Richo’s fault the Tigers spent a 15 years where they couldn’t have beaten Helen Keller at darts
 

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The bloke manning him would

But no it was clearly on the guy kicking 25 points a game that we lost to such a good side.

Same as it was Richo’s fault the Tigers spent a 15 years where they couldn’t have beaten Helen Keller at darts
Lol when you dominated a team so much I don't think you would care if you let one of their players kick a few meaningless goals, after all it is a team game
 
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Lol when you dominated a team so much I don't think you would care if you let one of their players kick a few meaningless goals, after all it is a team game

Perhaps not.

I guess it’s why it’s ok seeing your mob actually do something finally.


Btw, interesting that now it’s a team game but earlier it was a forward’s failt that the Hawks kicked a raft of goals early in the 89 decider.

What are you up to now, 6? 7? Quick, junk time’s coming. Better kick some more.
 

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Perhaps not.

I guess it’s why it’s ok seeing your mob actually do something finally.


Btw, interesting that now it’s a team game but earlier it was a forward’s failt that the Hawks kicked a raft of goals early in the 89 decider.

What are you up to now, 6? 7? Quick, junk time’s coming. Better kick some more.
Exactly it's a team game maybe if Ablett had played for his team instead of himself he might have been able to see some success, basically the Dangerfield of his day
 
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Exactly it's a team game maybe if Ablett had played for his team instead of himself he might have been able to see some success, basically the Dangerfield of his day


It’s a great point he should have lined up on Dunstall. Just toddled off after his one goal and said that’s enough, we will defend those 6 points and should get home comfortably.’
 

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It’s a great point he should have lined up on Dunstall. Just toddled off after his one goal and said that’s enough, we will defend those 6 points and should get home comfortably.’
Or you know he could've moved onto the ball and try have an impact instead of getting scab goals on the flank
 
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Or you know he could've moved onto the ball and try have an impact instead of getting scab goals on the flank

Yeah he should have pushed the captain who was a 3 time all australian in 7 years aside, or the Brownlow medalist from 5 days earlier, or the 4 time all australian, or the other All Australian on-baller, or the ruckman, or the 220 gamer.
 

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Which most came after Hawthorn was already 40 points up and took the foot off, the games was over at quarter time and if it wasn't for injuries Hawthorn would have flogged Geelong by 100+ like they did in round 1 the next year

And once again, Ablett was the only forward that day who defeated his opponent (Langford).
It's not his fault our midfield crapped themselves again and allowed Hawthorn to boot 10 goals in the last quarter.

Stop posting.
 

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Lockett never played on a defender with the athleticism or game smarts as Rance.

Langford, Silvagni, McIntosh, Fletcher?????
All athletic and high footy IQ. All Rance's size, and all had to contend with forwards far superior than what Rance has had to contend with (other than Buddy).

Where do you people come from.
Have you even watched football from yesteryear?
 
Lockett never played on a defender with the athleticism or game smarts as Rance. Watch some games from the 80s and look at the defenders back then, they're horrible... It's just where the runts of the litters play, and they have no idea how to defend.. they just follow their forward around like a dog on a leash and try to punch the ball. Rance is stronger, faster, MUCH MUCH fitter, better vertical leap, much much much smarter than any defender Lockett played on, that's just reality as much as it hurts your nostalgic bubble.

Steve Silvagni, Chris Langford, Dustin Fletcher, Ben Hart, Mick Martyn, Danny Southern, Alastair Lynch, Gary Pert, Danny Frawley, Ben Graham, Rod Carter .... runts who had no idea how to defend?
 
Lol when you dominated a team so much I don't think you would care if you let one of their players kick a few meaningless goals, after all it is a team game
Why are you continually pretending you don't rate Ablett?
You know damn well he's the most awesome player to have ever played against your team, and every other team of his era.
You are allowed to admit. Any reasonable Tigers supporter who witnessed his feats either admits he is the GOAT, or is so traumatised by his feats that they have a form of PTSD, highlighted by denial of his deity, and farcical criticism and puerile comments.
Get some therapy. And that's allowing for your recent 2 flags.
The lack of GF success is immaterial, as we would not have made any GF without him.
 

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He’s much much fitter because every campaigner playing the sport is much much fitter.

How do people not understand this

Do you really think in this day and age, with fitness programs, academies, three month pre seasons, that Lockett wouldn’t be faster and more athletic and fitter if he played today?

Yes and he'd lose his number 1 strength and have to play a completely different style and in the end his output would probably be below modern day great forwards.
 

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Steve Silvagni, Chris Langford, Dustin Fletcher, Ben Hart, Mick Martyn, Danny Southern, Alastair Lynch, Gary Pert, Danny Frawley, Ben Graham, Rod Carter .... runts who had no idea how to defend?

Go look at VFL defending in the 80s, there's ZERO tactics or cohesion, it's almost entirely "Follow your man and punch the ball" with few exceptions. These are the days when the peak of coaching strategy was "KICK THE BLODOY THING LONG TO THE FULL FORWARD !!!" The VFL was an extremely amateurish comp with a weak talent pool of part time athletes, and defenders were mostly just the worst players who couldn't play anywhere else.

So yes, relative to modern defenders, those guys weren't much chop athletically or in game intelligence.
 

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Langford, Silvagni, McIntosh, Fletcher?????
All athletic and high footy IQ. All Rance's size, and all had to contend with forwards far superior than what Rance has had to contend with (other than Buddy).

Where do you people come from.
Have you even watched football from yesteryear?

How can you not comprehend that the game has come along in MASSIVE leaps and bounds since even the year 2000, with a much much bigger talent pool, better coaches, better facilities and game knowledge than ever before.

Those guys were great for their eras,but the modern players are the best the game has ever produced, without argument. If you're looking for the all time greats, look at the best players in the past 10 years, no amount of nostalgia can change that.
 
Go look at VFL defending in the 80s, there's ZERO tactics or cohesion, it's almost entirely "Follow your man and punch the ball" with few exceptions. These are the days when the peak of coaching strategy was "KICK THE BLODOY THING LONG TO THE FULL FORWARD !!!" The VFL was an extremely amateurish comp with a weak talent pool of part time athletes, and defenders were mostly just the worst players who couldn't play anywhere else.

So yes, relative to modern defenders, those guys weren't much chop athletically or in game intelligence.

I looked at it. I lived through it. There were some very strong, very talented full backs at the time.

You talk about the standard of the competition and them being part time athletes. Lockett was a part time footballer too wasn't he? They were all on an equal playing field. Comparing an athlete today to the players back then is silly. If you placed Rance back then on Lockett, he would be a part time footballer too, and he would play entirely one on one in open forward lines. Place Lockett into today's football, and his quick leading and physicality combined with today's grounds, tactics and fitness regimes could very well still see him dominating.

If you want to time travel, you have to make the appropriate allowances.
 
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