Toovey or Macaffer

[Ed D]

I voted that I'd rather have Macaffer leave but it's not that simple. Caff has had injury worries and really he's only had 1 decent year. Toovey has had 3 and plays an important role in the side that others can't really fill. In saying that both do a good job in the side. I think Toovey would be a greater asset to an opposition side as well.

But it also comes down to commitment. If one player is more committed than the other it's almost a flip of the coin deal for me. I trust the club will make the right decision.

 

[Ed D]

I accidently voted Le Cafe thinking it meant I wanted him to stay

Haven't heard a word from him or his manager all week about money so I'd take the player who wants to play for the jumper and the club

His manager said similar things, that there wasn't enough money in the cap and that someone would have to be delisted for him to stay.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

I voted Toovey but changed my mind after I posted, so that's 1 extra vote to Macaffer

 

[rose jam]

It's harder to find forwards than defenders.

Toovey was manufactured under the Collingwood system and we can manufacture more, plus we have Goldsack who takes his spot in a heartbeat.

MacCaffer can offer more to team balance

 

[Swooop]

I want neither to leave, but it seems one may have to go, I'd prefer tooooves to go and caf to stay.

I think Geelong was too strong for us in GF...we're already losing Leroy and sadly, don't seem to be repla=cing him, which further makes us less strong and less physical.

Caf could be the perfect third forward, we did seem to miss his forward line pressure.

Although injury prone, he has more upside and gives us something that is more unique than Toooves for mine.

If Toooves does stay, it'll interesting to see how Bucks goes with his disposal, which is below par no matter what anyone says.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Looks like Caf is the one to go. Or both.

Caf's manager apparently said we've withdrawn our offer.

 

[stui magpie]

I'd like them both to stay but if I had to pick from the two, I'd prefer to keep Caff. We have heaps of potential small forwards but not many mid sized forwards who can take a good contested grab and also are mobile enough to take a turn in the midfield or down back.

Tooves is pretty much a HBF or midfield tagger. Good player but more replaceable than Mac.

 

[Cache17]

Im sorry but toovey has got to go, Caff is a much better player then him.

Caff was our missing link in the finals this year, we needed that 3rd tall/medium size strong body to match it with geelong.

Ever since toovey was hit by hawkins he was never the same, he played one hell of a grand finall turning ot over how many times?

Toovey came out and said he wants more money well tell him to pack you suitcase and piss off. Dawes was willing to keep this team together.

Please Caff dont leave your much better then toovs and mccartht put together

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Macaffer to stay and Tooves to go with disposal the only thing seperating them. Similar to some posters, I could nominate at least 4 players to go before either Tooves or Macaffer. Surely only injury and then form kept Macaffer out last year! He is a required player since his gF game in 2010.

 

[rhys_22]

Toovey is just being selfish now.
quote]

?????? No he isn't .So you're telling me you work your arse off,and you dont deserve a payrise??Just do it for loyalty,out of the goodness of your heart? i dont think so.

I want toove to stay and i want macaffer to stay.But if toove goes you cannot blame him. I am one of the most passionate collingwood supporters out there,but if toove needs more money to cover his bills and plan for his future,good luck to him i say.It doesn't make him a bad person,it makes him a smart person.

 

[soreplums]

Who do you think was offered the bigger contract in 2012?

 

[Happy Pie]

Blair? Wood? McCarthy? Buckley? Would move all the above before this pair.

Macaffer can break back into the best 22 and there really aren't that many like replacements - only one we have really is Daniel Farmer who can play a similar role. Then Harry O in theory could move forward and do similar, but he is fairly settled down back and likely will be persisted with down back.

But Toovey since he was a top 10 player this year you just have to retain. He is probably more replaceable because Tarrant could replace him since he can take those difference sizes and N.Brown is a natural fit slotting into full back.
Or if N.Brown isn't ok for r1 then Goldsack comes in for Toovey.
Toovey may be a role player and slightly limited, but in terms of what he does there is no better in the business, and he has done incredibly well to eliminate his weaknesses and make his strengths even greater.


Neither are ideal. Better is trading Blair now that he has value (Which Toovey doesn't have because of role and Macaffer doesn't have due to average season due to injury) - since he has been best 22 all this time, played all grand finals and really is that established player.

Blair is even more replaceable because we have Fasolo coming through as a natural replacement who in all likelihood replaces him next season anyway. Then Ugle and Elliot will both be pushing for that forward role also and both are good enough to play now anyway if required.

I cant believe what I read
What's Blair done wrong?
Let's get rid of half the team and have no depth and keep TOOVEY a man who has treated the club with a lack of respect.
Thank God for Daws, Cloke, Swan & Thomas

 

[Ed D]

According to the HUN:

* Brent Macaffer (Collingwood) Not offered a contract and will leave the club via trade week or national draft.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ne-for-3m-payday/story-fn69a32t-1226166306148

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Rhys22 has a good point regarding the lure of money. Footballers only have a limited chance to accumulate a bit of wealth. Toove was /is a cult figure with a vocal following at the games. He is a character, our Possum, and I would miss him if he went. I will never forget the time he sped away like the Roadrunner from Akermanis, or turned Essendon's stars inside out then sped off.

 

[Ed D]

Macaffer's manager Anthony McConville said the Magpies initially presented the utility with a two-year contract extension, but then withdrew the offer, which, he said, forced the youngster on the open market.

Several rival clubs have asked about Macaffer, who will leave the Pies either via trade week or in next month's national draft.

McConville said Macaffer was a "victim of circumstance".

"Collingwood's position is there is no contract on the table," McConville said.

"But I think a club that ends up getting a guy like Brent Macaffer will find they have struck gold. He will definitely be a handy acquisition.

"There has been a bit of interest from other clubs in regards to Brent. At this stage, I'm still working through what it may take in order to facilitate a trade."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...weigh-up-options/story-e6frf9jf-1226166311704

 

[Nicco_jj]

Blair? Wood? McCarthy? Buckley? Would move all the above before this pair.

Macaffer can break back into the best 22 and there really aren't that many like replacements - only one we have really is Daniel Farmer who can play a similar role. Then Harry O in theory could move forward and do similar, but he is fairly settled down back and likely will be persisted with down back.

But Toovey since he was a top 10 player this year you just have to retain. He is probably more replaceable because Tarrant could replace him since he can take those difference sizes and N.Brown is a natural fit slotting into full back.
Or if N.Brown isn't ok for r1 then Goldsack comes in for Toovey.
Toovey may be a role player and slightly limited, but in terms of what he does there is no better in the business, and he has done incredibly well to eliminate his weaknesses and make his strengths even greater.


Neither are ideal. Better is trading Blair now that he has value (Which Toovey doesn't have because of role and Macaffer doesn't have due to average season due to injury) - since he has been best 22 all this time, played all grand finals and really is that established player.

Blair is even more replaceable because we have Fasolo coming through as a natural replacement who in all likelihood replaces him next season anyway. Then Ugle and Elliot will both be pushing for that forward role also and both are good enough to play now anyway if required.

large, ill-informed, ridiculous statement.
I understand where you're coming from, but Elliot is not a Blair right out of the box. Blair has very good forward pressure. Your memory is short - he was one of the reasons we made it in to the grandfinal - he stood up against the hawks when others basically sat. He had a crap granny, but thats ok. I don't think Blair will be a superstar, ever, but he doesn't deserve to be traded yet - and if he did, i would eat humble pie and respect the decision>
But, my point is that you can not just say that Elliot and Ugle are ready to make an impact at a senior level right now if Blair got traded, considering people are think Marty Clarke will struggle to break in to the side. Ugle and Elliot have had no AFL experience.

 

[Nicco_jj]

Toovey is just being selfish now.
quote]

?????? No he isn't .So you're telling me you work your arse off,and you dont deserve a payrise??Just do it for loyalty,out of the goodness of your heart? i dont think so.

I want toove to stay and i want macaffer to stay.But if toove goes you cannot blame him. I am one of the most passionate collingwood supporters out there,but if toove needs more money to cover his bills and plan for his future,good luck to him i say.It doesn't make him a bad person,it makes him a smart person.

Poor bloke, only earning $150,00 a year. Tough life for sure!
I might jump ship at my work if they don't double my pay too!

If i can 'pay (my) bills' on minimum wage, I'm sure Tooves will be just fine.


I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve a pay rise - he does (not $350,000 though...) but he would not be asking for one because he is struggling to pay bills. Seriously.

 

[PieBeast]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...weigh-up-options/story-e6frf9jf-1226166311704

Sounds like there are some other reasons at play here, cause his manager clearly stated on SEN they were prepared to take 20% less of the market value to stay with us.....

 

[Nicco_jj]

Sounds like there are some other reasons at play here, cause his manager clearly stated on SEN they were prepared to take 20% less of the market value to stay with us.....

this is unrelated, but who is this 'chefmeister' person and why so you have all that collywobble choke stuff as your sign off or whatever you call it..?

 

[PieBeast]

this is unrelated, but who is this 'chefmeister' person and why so you have all that collywobble choke stuff as your sign off or whatever you call it..?

Some Scats nuff-nuff and its all due to the first ever bet I've lost on BigFooty

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I'll be disappointed to see macaffer go.

Is more important to that forward structure than many realise.

 

[Tippy78]

I don't want either to go, but there was no third option on this poll....

So, based on the last 3-4 years, I'd rather see Macaffer leave. He had one useful period of one year (which did happen to be our premiership!) where he fitted in with the structure perfectly. He was no superstar though so if the structure changes I'm not confident he would be the right person.

Toovey on the other hand does a good job week in week out. Again no superstar, but a solid cog in the backline.

 

[lgarth80]

Macaffer has shown he can play a role across half-back (admittedly more extensive running in the VFL), play crumbing or mid-sized tall forward. He has solid skills, and produced great form in finals.

I'd suggest he is just the better player of the two but the fitness issue is a big one. From what I'd heard there were reports of stress fractures. Never a nice injury to cover.

I would think Toovey has far more value at the trade table, and if one had to go, I would think we'd get better compensation from Toovey.

I'm thinking that probably we will just accept a trade (which sadly will be us bending over and probably accepting a 2nd rounder and giving our 2nd due to Rick Moranis) for Toovey and try to keep Macaffer on a deal that while not perfect can have some performance measures included.

Best option for the club is both stick on for reduced coin, then we reward them later in their careers with premierships, maybe even an All-Australian position, and a better than average contract.

In terms of losing one, well Geelong have done all right losing Prismall, Mumford and Ablett. We will be fine whatever happens.

 

[daics cousin]

Simple fact we must keep the Caff.

You don't realise how important Macaffer is to our forward structure.
We can't cover the loss of the caff,but we can cover the loss of Toovey.

I believe Geelong and West Coast are interested in the Caff,now why would you give either of those clubs a player that will come back to bite us.

Keep Macaffer goodbye Toovey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Premiers2011]

Toovey is a better player than Macaffer. He is a more confident player and all round is a more skillful player. Its people like Toovey that go un-noticed and help keep the backline together. I would pick Toovey over Nick Maxwell. Nick Maxwell is a very average player and he must be a really good public speaker/motivator as i dont know how anyone could be inspired by his gameplay.