Top 10 Richmond Coaches since 1990

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How would you rank our last 10 Richmond coaches?

We have had the following at the club since 1988 -

Tony Jewell,KB, Alan Jeans, John Northey, Robert Walls, Jeff Geishen, Danny Frawley, Terry Wallace, Jade Rawlings and now Damien Hardwick.

10. Jade Rawlings - had very few games but only delivered a couple of wins and the odd competitive performance. Will never be a senior coach again
9. Jeff Geishen - use suburban coaching tricks such as moving the players toward the cheer squad to motivate his players. Was insecure about winning over the players and gaining their respect for good reason - they had a low opinion of him as a coach and leader of men - especially in 1999.
8. Robert Walls - along with Alan Joyce probably the worst coach of the side that won a flag - a mate of mine who played in that team described him a ---- who the players won despite him. Took the 1st job offered to him after being sacked by Richmond and it showed in the results
7. Alan Jeans - in playing parlance, a coaching legend who was struck down by illness in his only season. Many of our younger players of the time were thankful of his contribution - particularly Wayne Campbell
6. Danny Frawley - Only a finals appearance puts him above the others. Bascially inherited a pretty decent list and topped it up with recycled players and completely ran the list into the ground.
I'll never forget him stating that the coaching panel had worked on a specific strategy for beating Essendon and we lost by 100 points. He admitted afterwards that he got that one wrong. Thanks Danny.
5. Wallace Mainly for his press conferences.
4. Tony Jewell We actually played some good footy when he was coaching but balls up games by losing games that seemed impossible to drop. I remember going into a wedding ceremony with us 6 goals up and we were losing when we came out - unbelievable!
3. Hardwick - I reckon the last month has been at least as good as the second half of 2008 - with half the talent. He has proved he can coach and develop players. The trick now is to replace the dozen duds on our list with another 8-10 quality players in the draft or at the trade table. Over to you Craig Cameron
2. KB - I probably will get bagged for this but the one thing KB brought the club was discipline and a genuine youth based recruitment culture. It set Northey up.
1. Northey - the best years of a bleak 30. We had a tough, tackling, team first ethos that has not existed since - with the exception of the past month. The 2nd half of 1994 and 1995 should've been the beginning of a number of years that the Tigers played finals footy.

Well its a pretty sorry list of coaches but lets hope we don't see an 11th coach until well into the next decade.
 

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Frawley was better than that I think.


Apart from KB I think he had the worst list to work with.

He gets demoted for recruiting though although I am not sure what he had to do with it .

Ziller for example was a no no so I think he maybe didn't have an eye for talent but we should never have made the finals with the list we had so it works both ways!

I think from a pure coach perspective was probably good
 

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Good thread and I agree with alot of what you say but so hard to line up Jeans and Rawlings with the others.

Heard the same feedback about Jeans from Campbell but as a coach he didnt get time to put his teeth into it. I hope he didn't take it on to show up Hawthorn knowing that he wasnt physically up to it.

The same with Rawlings but as unfair as it might be I think he has harmed his future chances.

I think Wallace and Frawley should hold up the ladder as they had enough time to have impact. I guess you could say that the did have impact. We are and will still be paying for it. When you are given five years the recruitment and player development needs to be a key area of assessment as it will be a legacy for years to come.

KB had to deal with Fitzroy like conditions as far as who to keep and who would leave. Coach around the time of the tin rattle could not have competed against clubs who were giving the coach whoever they asked for.

Northey is a clear number one as on top of our greatest memories of 1995 he handed Walls over a team that should have played regular finals.

Gieshen clear example of a bloke who would be great for a suburban or country football team where he did have success but was out of his depth at AFL. Good call on that one. Love to know what happened between him and Campbell and Knights.
 

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Frawley was better than that I think.


Apart from KB I think he had the worst list to work with.
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Frawley had the best list. We were a very hardened, mature team in 2001. A senior core of Knights, Richo, Campbell, the Gale & Kellaway bros, Cameron, Broderick, Bowden, Gaspar in AA form, a young AA Ottens; solid support players like Rogers, Torney, Chaffey and Holland having his best year.

That list peaked in 2001. Shame Spud couldn't see it and traded away our first round picks for the next three years. He set us back far more than Wallace did.
 

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Disagree with that. Kellaways go the best out of themselves but potential in terms of talent where limited. Rogers the same, Broderick, Cameron similar and Cameron a better mans McMahon on the backend of a career, Torney just hand and Chaffey was your better mans King.

When you mention some of the players you have it shows how little Frawley had to work with IMO.

If Ottens and Richo where injuried we could have got the spoon on our list
 

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Disagree with that. Kellaways go the best out of themselves but potential in terms of talent where limited. Rogers the same, Broderick, Cameron similar and Cameron a better mans McMahon on the backend of a career, Torney just hand and Chaffey was your better mans King.

When you mention some of the players you have it shows how little Frawley had to work with IMO.

If Ottens and Richo where injuried we could have got the spoon on our list
Cameron was no plodder. A better mans McMahon?????:confused: that would be an understatement.

Selling Chaffey short too.

Broderick was one our most talented players who have walked though the club and those mature players may not have been superstars but they could play.
 

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also need to state how much the coaches had to work with

what was rawlings supposed to do with the dump wallace left on our doorstep? he couldn't turn it into gold
 

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1980's Video with respect of the list mentioned apart from Knights, Richo, Campbell, Bowden and Ottens, B Gale. it is debatable if the other players would be included in the premiership teams of the last 15 years and contribute significantly. Cameron is a possible exception but the Bulldogs let him go for a reason and he did have flaws particularly given the emphasis on the defensive these days and he was aging at the time.

We are on the bottom but our list , despite some inadequacies has never looked better for the last 25 years. It appears, based on some perceptions and observations, not everyone agrees with this which they are entitled to.
 

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1980's Video with respect of the list mentioned apart from Knights, Richo, Campbell, Bowden and Ottens, B Gale. it is debatable if the other players would be included in the premiership teams of the last 15 years and contribute significantly. Cameron is a possible exception but the Bulldogs let him go for a reason and he did have flaws particularly given the emphasis on the defensive these days and he was aging at the time.

We are on the bottom but our list , despite some inadequacies has never looked better for the last 25 years. It appears, based on some perceptions and observations, not everyone agrees with this which they are entitled to.
We are always going to be locked within our own perceptions but I would have loved to see that group in a well coached group like Collingwood were in 2002 and 2003. Even McKee got a gig in that side. I know they didnt get the big one but who are we kidding that we wouldn't take some Collingwood success.
 

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Sincerely, Collingwood have nothing on us.

Collingwood and their Colliewobblies can have there form to themselves. We are far better.

If they didn't have that fight with the Dons they would still have the Colliewobblies.

As for Collingwood, V Brisbane they were just cannon fodder. Massively overated with umpire support from the crowds that don't have the talent to get over the line.

By the way, Gaspar was another that could have been a premiership player in my opinion.

I would rather be a North or Saints supporter than Collingwood. The admiration I have for them is zilch !!!

Tigers live in the real world, pies are dreamers . It is simple as that!!
 

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We are always going to be locked within our own perceptions but I would have loved to see that group in a well coached group like Collingwood were in 2002 and 2003. Even McKee got a gig in that side. I know they didnt get the big one but who are we kidding that we wouldn't take some Collingwood success.
Mick would've made a difference providing we were able to provide facilities that were able to support the preparation of the players to the same degree of the Magpies.

That might've been the difference in getting him to Tigerland.

Money talks. Ask Mick.
 

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Sincerely, Collingwood have nothing on us.

Collingwood and their Colliewobblies can have there form to themselves. We are far better.

If they didn't have that fight with the Dons they would still have the Colliewobblies.

As for Collingwood, V Brisbane they were just cannon fodder. Massively overated with umpire support from the crowds that don't have the talent to get over the line.

By the way, Gaspar was another that could have been a premiership player in my opinion.

I would rather be a North or Saints supporter than Collingwood. The admiration I have for them is zilch !!!

Tigers live in the real world, pies are dreamers . It is simple as that!!
I dont want be a magpie supporter for anything but you cant tell me that you wouldnt like the success they have had under Mick especially compared to what the Dud1 and Dud2 gave us. They pushed the Lions with a team that alot of our players that Spud inherited would have forced out of thier spot.

I want to put down Collingwood when I truly can. At the moment we are doing the dreaming and they are living in the real world. Their success is making our lack of it so much harder.

Just don't think Spud was short changed with the playing list he inherited. He was perhaps in brain matter and in the department of being able to look more human that ape when he laughs.

That our most exciting player of all time was forced to watch players criss cross before looking for him when in his prime looked liked a form of treason.

Does anyone see him on Before the Bounce. Dunstall looks as if the lame humour they do is just something he does for a buck but Spud looks like the little kid with that dumb smile who that crap is aimed for.
 

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I was only a young tacker when Northey was coaching but he did a lot of good for this club. My Dad seems to think something happened at the end of 95 that made him resign as our coach, can anyone fill me in why he resigned when we appeared to be doing so well?
 

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LMAO...shit...its ****ing embarassing isnt it?....maybe it should be more a case of which coach of Richmond since 1990 went on to coach another side, after they were deemed a DUD by us...Then you might want to ask the media why do they think we ate our own and then why the rest of the comp wouldnt shit on them, let alone hire them afterwards...;)
 

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If you're going to put Jewell in this poll, then you have to consider ALL his coaching years, which puts him at No 1 on everyone's list.
 

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If you're going to put Jewell in this poll, then you have to consider ALL his coaching years, which puts him at No 1 on everyone's list.
since 1990 dude, Groucho dont get a gig...think about it and dont spew up laughing...
As for Northey, he just happened to be there when we recruited a few half decent players in Brodders and Butch Gale, with a Tapey to boot. At the end of the day we were just another number in the finals mix and i can guaratee ya that had we given him the extra years he would have been another to get the axe...thats why he didnt back himself with the 1 year..and the rest is history up in Brisbane...the end.;)
 

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since 1990 dude, Groucho dont get a gig...think about it and dont spew up laughing...
As for Northey, he just happened to be there when we recruited a few half decent players in Brodders and Butch Gale, with a Tapey to boot. At the end of the day we were just another number in the finals mix and i can guaratee ya that had we given him the extra years he would have been another to get the axe...thats why he didnt back himself with the 1 year..and the rest is history up in Brisbane...the end.;)
I have to admit that is something you need to take into consideration with Northey.

Picking up Gale and Broderick for Hogg was like stealing the wallet of a bloke lying in the street but that situation presented itself and other clubs did it to Fitzroy before we did.

But that year we were like a team threatening to fall back to the times of the old as opposed to the polish that Geelong and Carlton had yet still winning through hard work, belief and endeavour and it was a priveledge to watch for which Ill always say that Northey COULD coach.
 

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If he had us in 1982 we could have got that one as Bourkey certainly put blokes offside.

Reserves Coach gets senior gig and takes us to massive win over the scum in a premiership and gets sacked for missing the FIVE the next year.
 

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If he had us in 1982 we could have got that one as Bourkey certainly put blokes offside.

Reserves Coach gets senior gig and takes us to massive win over the scum in a premiership and gets sacked for missing the FIVE the next year.
1980 side ran on auto pilot dude..you or me could have sat there and pointed a finger every so often, to look like we had a plan and won that flag. ;)
 

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1980 side ran on auto pilot dude..you or me could have sat there and pointed a finger every so often, to look like we had a plan and won that flag. ;)
We hadnt been in a Grand Final since 1974 so Im not sure about that Cogga.

The way we disposed of Carlton,Geelong and Collingwood was beyond what we did in the season even though we only lost top position in the last round so someone got them up at the right time.

Still, Jewells results at StKilda and Richmond when he returned do give you some ammunition behind your arguement. Just know that Bourke was taking some discontent players into that 1982 GF.
 

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If you're going to put Jewell in this poll, then you have to consider ALL his coaching years, which puts him at No 1 on everyone's list.
I nearly went back to 1980 but then had to consider the coaching merit of, wait for it....

Mike Patterson, Paul Sproule, Francis Bourke.

St Francis was a legend player but not a huge success as coach - bit like Royce Hart and the other 2 well, frankly Paul Sproule was a bit of a bung hole although he did let us collect the balls after training during his time and invited us in afterwards for one of those shit flavoured sports drinks.

Anyway, not memorable at all.

In those days, the Italians used to say that they go through Prime Ministers like Richmond go through coaches!!!!!
 
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