Top 5 picks - How many has your team got?

[Falchoon]

A few father son picks going around would have been top 5.

and maybe the odd zone pick cough Tredrea cough Lade

 

[Blue Dawn]

True that- Geelong have got at least two (Ablett and Hawkins) who unquestionably would have gone tap 5.

Beat me to it - exactly what i was about to post. The pussies have killed it with the Father-Son rule, more than made up for any lack of top 5 opportunities.

 

[TheRealComptroller]

Essendon should really be down as 3 and the Saints as 8 as Matthew Lloyd and Steven King were effectively top five picks. Although they went in the 95 pre-season draft rather than the draft proper, they were compensatory picks of players who were too young to be in any previous draft.

Ditto David Wirrpanda 12 months later; the buzz about him as a junior was massive.

True that- Geelong have got at least two (Ablett and Hawkins) who unquestionably would have gone tap 5.

Hawkins - yes

Ablett - Hell no! Speculation varies from about #15-30. This was not a Hawkinsesque acquisition it had more sentimental buzz than any inevitable superstar factor. GAJ would certainly not have gone top 5 in 2001.

Prior to Tom Hawkins the GFC's brightest F/S prospect was Marc Woolnough; he was rated a certain top 10 selection in the 1997 ND. Geelong also took Scarlett in that draft but Woolnough was the one they were happier to receive.

Jesse Smith was apparently a lock for the top 10 in 2004.

J Brown would have gone very high; not #1 but perhaps #2 after Fraser?

 

[JeffDunne]

It cost West Coast 1 top 5 pick to have two top 5 picks on their list.

It cost Carlton 6 top 5 picks to have five top 5 picks.

It cost St Kilda 5 top 5 picks to have seven top 5 picks.

This list is meaningless.

 

[AngelEyes]

I wonder if people will take the same negative stance against Hawthorn as they did St Kilda a couple of years ago? I remember alot of people thought St Kilda didn't deserve a gig due to their priority picks. Do people think the same about Hawthorn? Lets not forget this list distorts St Kilda's top 5 picks as guys like Gardiner and Fiora were no where near top 5 picks when they acquired them.

 

[JeffDunne]

Of course they won't AngelEyes.

Collingwood never get the finger pointed at them and they've gone to the well as much as anyone. Bulldogs too.

 

[krisholio14]

Interesting list, shows how good Adelaide have been over the years to remain strong despite no top 5 picks. Kudos to them.

What it doesn't show is the father/son picks.
Gee I wonder who has done best out of that...

Get over yourself ya sook!

 

[Exhale You]

Ablett - Hell no! Speculation varies from about #15-30. This was not a Hawkinsesque acquisition it had more sentimental buzz than any inevitable superstar factor. GAJ would certainly not have gone top 5 in 2001.

Exactly right.

People see that he's become a superstar and just assume he would have been a lock for the top 5 in his draft.
Neither he or Scarlett were rated highly going into their draft, and whilst Ablett would have gone higher than he otherwise would have because of his name, there's no chance he would have been a top 5 pick.

 

[krisholio14]

True that- Geelong have got at least two (Ablett and Hawkins) who unquestionably would have gone tap 5.

Hawkins yes, Ablett no ____ing way.

It's funny how hindsight makes our father son picks look better value than many perceived at the time. No one and I mean NO ONE, was bleating about us snagging Ablett or Scarlett where we did, simply because we drafted them at best 10 to 15 picks later than they possibly would have gone anyway.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Some clubs have the luxury of picking up genuine top 5 picks later on in the drat due to the now extinct father/son rule....

Without this, IT would be a very different case.

 

[*PAF]

and maybe the odd zone pick cough Tredrea cough Lade

Possibly true as all "new" sides do get concessions. WCE and Adelaide got even more than Freo and Port.

wrt top 5 father son, Brown is another.

EDIT: As far as the list goes, some of those top 5 picks mentioned came because of trade not concessions. Hodge is but one example. Port traded pick 4 to St Kilda for Wakelin but not sure who they got for it, however it wasn't a "concession" pick.

 

[DaveW]

Also, has Adelaide done good enough to never have qualified for a top 5 pick?

Well we finished fifth last in 2004. But it happened to be in a year where three teams - Richmond, Hawthorn, Bulldogs - double dipped.

 

[stewie griffen]

just out of interest where was andy mcleod 'officially' drafted at?

 

[Alberton_Magpie]

Salopek was Pick 5

 

[Grimreepah]

People see that he's become a superstar and just assume he would have been a lock for the top 5 in his draft.

Same thing with Brown. As Brown states:

"My situation was also a little different because I was no guarantee to be drafted when I committed to the Lions. For Marc Murphy there would have been more pressure because everyone probably knew he was the projected No.1 pick."

 

[Gopies 2002]

Of course they won't AngelEyes.

Collingwood never get the finger pointed at them and they've gone to the well as much as anyone. Bulldogs too.

Everyone except the Saints of course who stand alone at the top of the table.

 

[passthebottle]

We didnt need any top 5 picks because we got these gems from the father/son!!
Tim Callan, Marc Woolnough and David Clarke.

 

[JeffDunne]

Everyone except the Saints of course who stand alone at the top of the table.

Would you like to back that up with some stats?

No team has had the concessions Carlton has had.

Of the others, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Richmond, Bulldogs & Melbourne have all had as much if not more access than St Kilda because of poor performance.

 

[HAWKERS91]

thought i saw grants name under the bulldogs list for top 5 picks. chris grant was taken at over 100 in the draft. bout 105 i think.

 

[WN123]

Essendon must have got pick 4 in 1994(Lucas) on a trade because we won the flag the year before (the time is right to reflect on past glories) and Lloyds pick was definitely a trade.

 

[Underdog]

thought i saw grants name under the bulldogs list for top 5 picks. chris grant was taken at over 100 in the draft. bout 105 i think.

I'm sure that refers to Jarrad Grant...a pick 5

 

[RED STRIPE MAGIC]

i always thought lloyd was a top five pick.. essendon gave 2 players away for the number one or number 2 pick to pick llody up

 

[DeeHughMan]

Geelong have well and truly offset the lack of high picks using the father son rule.

no point in trying to guess when Scarlett and Ablett would have gone without the father son. My guess is High both were very good juniors especially ablett who is my age.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Essendon must have got pick 4 in 1994(Lucas) on a trade because we won the flag the year before (the time is right to reflect on past glories) and Lloyds pick was definitely a trade.

1994 draft, not 1993....

 

[OneEyedHawk]

Geelong have well and truly offset the lack of high picks using the father son rule.

no point in trying to guess when Scarlett and Ablett would have gone without the father son. My guess is High both were very good juniors especially ablett who is my age.

Absolutely.
Picked up their best player (Ablett), their Premiership and AA Full-Back (Scarlett), their Premiership CHF (N Ablett), a bloke some say would've gone at #1 (Hawkins)...I'm sure I'm missing someone too.

That's not a criticism, that was the system and took advantage of it. Good on them.