Roast Top 5 players that have gone backwards

[sloth6]

From rounds 1 to about 7 I would've said crisp to number one with a bullet.

He wasshorrible but his last six or so weeks have been sensational and more resemble his form of last year.

 

[Horaceg]

Statistically he's having a better year than his AA 2011.

That's good news

 

[adammania9]

Players have stagnated and stopped, but no one has moved backwards. The only guy I could put forward here is Cloke.

De Goey has improved absolutely, and I tend to discard any other opinion about his development. Check the 2014 midfield draftees and tell me he isn't the best performing midfielder thus far. Yeah I wouldn't mind Peter Wright either, however De Goey has shown everything needed to be a league0beater.

Langdon - yeah I'll give you that. He was putrid in that Melbourne game earlier but injuries haven't given him a chance to redeem himself.
Witts - was never more than average anyway.
Frost - played very well at times this season. inconsistent yes, but he did pretty well until being dropped.

 

[Markfs]

I've said it before and I will say it again. I think first or second year players should be kept out of these conversations. We all know that it takes most players 50-70 games before we really see what they have to offer. Judging guys like DeG and Moore is a bit silly. Personally the fact that they are holding their spots despite their age and inexperience is a good sign.
Take Grundy for example. Started his career with a lot of promise, then had a couple of average type years, started this season ok but over the past 6 or so weeks has stepped up big time. Don't be surprised if guys like DeG do the same thing in the coming years.

I disagree. It's in their first few years that most players are open to attack. If we give them time to find their feet, we might never be able to criticise them.

 

[BEEG]

Toovey went backwards 3 years ago

 

[dmoore30]

I don't understand hate for the thread, it's an opinion and one I some what agree with, Langdon has been injured but when fit we all wanted him dropped which suggested below average performances from him.

De Goey is a second year player so he has not gone backwards as many of us know that a lot of players get "second year blues" and De Goey has been ok but we would except more but has not gone backwards in my opinion.

Frost has gone backwards in my eyes, but well done to marsh for coming in and playing an excellent role, unlike frost marsh marks the ball and intercepts, and he takes the game on without running into trouble. Frost needs to work on a few things if he wants to play for us but has gone backwards.

Witts. Mm, has he gone backwards, or is he not good for our structure or is Grundy just playing that well that he can not make the best 22? His VFL performances suggest that he should be playing AFL regularly, hard to assess, I think at many other clubs he'd do very well as a first ruckman. I don't know about this one.

Toovey. Toovey is so far back now it's beyond salvageable. Toovey was a great warrior but he's past it. Toovey, or former Mr. Reliable will likely be gone at seasons end.


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[DWil6]

My top 5 players that have gone backwards:

Gary Ablett - harsh I know but was the best now not
Adam Goodes - headline machine last year, gone quiet barely gets a kick
Nat Fyfe - brownlow hangover
Andrew Bogut - dumped from NBA team
Jarrad Hayne - dumped from a couple of sports

All these guys have gone backwards and I pity them....#fall from grace.

Lance Armstrong? Unsighted in this years Tour de France!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Langdon hasnt played since round six and is out for the season with injury. The entire team was shit in the first six rounds.

Pathetic troll thread.

 

[Pdid]

sounds like most of you muppets no sweet **** all about footy (Y)

 

[DWil6]

sounds like most of you muppets no sweet **** all about footy (Y)

'Know'

 

[PIES 4 LIFE]

The very first Thread on our main board is a Mod notice - Think twice before posting.
It should be changed to - Think twice before starting a thread

 

[MarkT2]

COLD

Tom Langdon
Jordan Degoey
Jack Frost
Jarrod Witts
Alan Toovey

I've haven't included any that haven't played more than one senior game in 2016.

Witts hasn't gone backwards at all. he's not improved in 2 years or so but he hasn't gone backwards. De Goey is probably doping what many players his age do and having a plateau or lull early in his career. Toovey has gone backwards since his knee injury. Frost maybe has gone backwards but to me he's just been shown up for his talent level in an ordinary side. Langdon has gone backwards. Cloke could be added to the list but he's been on that trajectory since 2012. Maccaffer has gone backwards.

What I'm more concerned with is the lack of advancement in a large group including Williams, Sinclair, Elliot, Brown, White, Fasolo, Witts, Broomhead and before this year Kennedy & Seedsman. Injuries don't help but they all play the same game to the same effect with the same inconsistency as they have for 3-5 years.

I'm not sure how much is due to their talent level (therefore a recruitment issue) our development or coaching. One way or another we have gone nowhere and made no ground in 3-4 years of prematurely rebuilding.

 

[MarkT2]

Here is my top 5 players who have improved this year. I would love to hear your comments

Adams
Grundy
Reid
Fasolo
Cox

I'll comment if I may.

If that's all we have then that's a pretty aweful result even it was accurate but it isn't.

Fasolo has improved on his previous year or so but he's always been up and down and his up has always been very good. If he gets a good run with injury he will have more ups than previously. Reid hasn't improved. He was better pre his long term injury and he is just starting to get back to that now he's fit again. he's an AA defender. Cox is a first year player just introduced to the game. Of course he's improved but he still isn't a senior player in a top side yet. Plenty or upside though.. Grundy's had a good month or so after an indifferent start to the year. He's a ruckman. He'll improve over the next 3-5 years all things being equal. Adams has continued his upward trajectory.

If we'd had real improvement in the requisite number of players we'd be in the 8.

 

[MarkT2]

I have a controversial nomination - Darcy Moore.

I'm not saying he has gone backwards from last season. But he also hasn't shown a lot of improvement too.

A bit like De Goey, I don't feel his development is coming on strong. If anything it is very slow or stagnant.

Mind you there are some mitigating reasons. With Cloke horribly out of form and Mason Cox pretty much a rookie, opposition teams have been sending their no. 1 defender to mark Darcy Moore and maybe he is struggling to deal with it.

1.3 goals per game isn't a great return when he has mainly played as our deepest key forward.

Pretty simple IMO for those 2. They are following the 100 year path of 2nd year 19/20 olds. They haven't taken the giant leap some people unrealistically expected of them. Maybe they never will - a lot don't. Most players drafted early don't really become the player many punters expect them to be until year 3 or 4.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

De Goey is probably doping

hahahah

Even assuming its not a spelling mistake its still not the stupidest comment on this thread. That belongs on post 1

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

What I'm more concerned with is the lack of advancement in a large group including Williams, Sinclair, Elliot, Brown, White, Fasolo, Witts, Broomhead and before this year Kennedy & Seedsman. Injuries don't help but they all play the same game to the same effect with the same inconsistency as they have for 3-5 years.

Injuries dont help > LOL. why even mention injured players?

Williams has had injuries. Poor form, since returning, he'll be fine, might need a preseason.
Sinclaier is in career best form after being finally injury and concussion free
Elliot. Out injured all year.
Brown. Limited but our best negating fullback ahead of Frost and should not have been dropped after just one bad game against the flat track bully Eagles. Agree hasnt improved, hes as good as he will get but plenty good enough
White is in career best form, also a victim of selection errors
Fasolo when fit has been in career best form. Minor injury this time.
Witts is a victim of team balance and carries enormous trade value
Broomhead has been injured and is possibly overrated
Seedsman and Kennedy are good ordinary players who helped us land Aish and (from memory) Treloar.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Pendlebury
Varcoe
Cloke
Crisp

All down on past years

Varcoe isn't in the top 5. He's been sensational the past month and Pendlebury could be top 5 for the Brownlow don't know about top 5 gone backwards at Collingwood.
Cloke fair enough.
Crisp yes but been ok lately.

 

[mike123]

Jordan De Goey is having a better year than he did in 2015. The only thing that has gone backwards is his tackling.

Last year he only got over the 20 possession mark once, this year he's already done it 5 times.

 

[THATSGOLD]

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Jordan De Goey is having a better year than he did in 2015. The only thing that has gone backwards is his tackling.

I'm not really in to stats.
Is getting caught holding the ball a stat?
Are second effort ie running to the next contest to apply pressure a stat?

 

[mike123]

I'm not really in to stats.

Neither am I unless there is a large disparity which there is in this case.

Is getting caught holding the ball a stat?

Yes its a free kick against. Ans you're more likely to get caught holding the ball when you get more of the ball.

Are second effort ie running to the next contest to apply pressure a stat?

Pressure acts or one percenters.

 

[MarkT2]

Injuries dont help > LOL. why even mention injured players?

Williams has had injuries. Poor form, since returning, he'll be fine, might need a preseason.
Sinclaier is in career best form after being finally injury and concussion free
Elliot. Out injured all year.
Brown. Limited but our best negating fullback ahead of Frost and should not have been dropped after just one bad game against the flat track bully Eagles. Agree hasnt improved, hes as good as he will get but plenty good enough
White is in career best form, also a victim of selection errors
Fasolo when fit has been in career best form. Minor injury this time.
Witts is a victim of team balance and carries enormous trade value
Broomhead has been injured and is possibly overrated
Seedsman and Kennedy are good ordinary players who helped us land Aish and (from memory) Treloar.

If you honestly think injuries are the explanation for our underwhelming performances over an extended period and the lack of advancement in so many players then you are deluded. All clubs have injuries. we may or may not make a small advance up the ladder for the first time in 6 years having given up two consecutive first round picks to land an established mid to help us do it. That's the reality of our results and that has to be driven by recruitment, development and coaching. We haven't advanced as a side because we haven't had nearly enough advancement in our players. I'm not taking a 2016 stand alone view. We haven't had enough development on a large number of players for a number of years. That's why I mentioned some currently injured players and acknowledged the fact injuries impact. I didn't mention Scharenberg or Ramsey because they've barely had any chance but others have actually had exposed form and opportunities.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

If you honestly think injuries are the explanation for our underwhelming performances over an extended period and the lack of advancement in so many players then you are deluded. All clubs have injuries. we may or may not make a small advance up the ladder for the first time in 6 years having given up two consecutive first round picks to land an established mid to help us do it. That's the reality of our results and that has to be driven by recruitment, development and coaching. We haven't advanced as a side because we haven't had nearly enough advancement in our players. I'm not taking a 2016 stand alone view. We haven't had enough development on a large number of players for a number of years. That's why I mentioned some currently injured players and acknowledged the fact injuries impact. I didn't mention Scharenberg or Ramsey because they've barely had any chance but others have actually had exposed form and opportunities.

This thread is about players that have gone backwards in 2016. To name players like Langdon and Elliot in that context is laughable.

Two other players you named are in career best form.

The entire thread is a joke and your repetitive highhorse whinging is irrelevant.

 

[Run n Spread]

COLD

Tom Langdon
Jordan Degoey
Jack Frost
Jarrod Witts
Alan Toovey

I've haven't included any that haven't played more than one senior game in 2016.

Langdon- yep. I thought he was going to be a gun. Still might.
DeGoey- Not that bad. Second year blues but given age and experience I think has been OK if progressing slower than expected.
Frost- Good one on one. Role player of brilliance. Crap skills. A modern day Zac Dawson. No change.
Witts- Tbh never really rated.
Toovey- Alarmingly so. May be concussion, cooked a Cloke like slump. Who knows? I was off him from the beginning then miraculously converted like a Born again hand clapper then back again.

 

[mike123]

This thread is about players that have gone backwards in 2016. To name players like Langdon and Elliot in that context is laughable.

Two other players you named are in career best form.

The entire thread is a joke and your repetitive highhorse whinging is irrelevant.

Elliot is because he's been out the whole year but Langdon was poor even when he was fit this year.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Elliot is because he's been out the whole year but Langdon was poor even when he was fit this year.

Who wasnt poor in the first 6-7 rounds?

If you made a list after five rounds Pendlebury would be in it!