Opinion Top 50 2012

[Barnzy]

Wondering how Deledio has dropped from about 5/6th to 13th in the space of 3 weeks based off 1 poor game and good 2 games?

 

[eaglespremiers]

Can you do little up and down symbols next to the names? Easier to track movements that way.

I'm sure that will be easy enough to implement. Will start next week.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Josh Kennedy isn't top 5 anymore IMO, he has been playing good but not great.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Wondering how Deledio has dropped from about 5/6th to 13th in the space of 3 weeks based off 1 poor game and good 2 games?

It's not him playing badly at all.
It's Swan, Selwood, Franklin and Beams playing so irresistibly that they have moved ahead of him.
I knew people wouldn't have liked how much I have dropped him, but I must reiterate, usually it would be highly irregular for him to drop (given his reasonable form) but other players are playing so well it was unavoidable for them to be in the top 10.
Stanton > Deledio doesn't quite sit with me but the others I believe have earned their spots ahead of Deledio.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Josh Kennedy isn't top 5 anymore IMO, he has been playing good but not great.

I get what you are saying.
The problem I have is who do I replace in the 5?
Beams? Franklin?
Usually Cotchin maintaining 3rd while only having a good game seems bizarre but Ablett was beaten by Scooter and Kennedy was not better than Cotchin on the weekend. So I'm left with a static top 5.

There's some gap between Watson and Thompson and then between Thompson and Cotchin.
Positions from 3 and below are really up for grabs.
So, no, Kennedy has not maintained his start of season form, and I fully expect him to be replaced this coming week, but for the moment he's at fifth.
I am open to suggestions, though.

 

[AG]

1. Jobe Watson
2. Scott Pendlebury (I didn't like dropping players because of injury, so he'd of stayed here until missed 5+ games)
3. Scott Thompson
4. Trent Cotchin
5. Gary Ablett
6. Josh Kennedy
7. Lance Franklin
8. Dayne Beams
9. Brett Deledio
10. Joel Selwood
11. Dane Swan

Sidebottom the only real issue for mine in the top few. He's too high. I think those guys are a semi clear top 11, not confident with the order though.

 

[AG]

Josh Kennedy isn't top 5 anymore IMO, he has been playing good but not great.

Sort of agree but he was coming down from 6 BOG's to start the year. Has still polled in 10 out of 13 games for us, and another was a 6th BOG just missing out on votes. Haven't seen every game of Thompson, Cotchin etc. to know how he compares perfectly but as a rough comparison 5th-8th seems about right for Kennedy. Maybe Beams and Franklin jump him. Still top 10 though.

Watson no.1 is the only certainty in my mind.

 

[Barnzy]

It's not him playing badly at all.
It's Swan, Selwood, Franklin and Beams playing so irresistibly that they have moved ahead of him.
I knew people wouldn't have liked how much I have dropped him, but I must reiterate, usually it would be highly irregular for him to drop (given his reasonable form) but other players are playing so well it was unavoidable for them to be in the top 10.
Stanton > Deledio doesn't quite sit with me but the others I believe have earned their spots ahead of Deledio.

Rightio. It just seemed odd but when you look deeper, fair enough.

I agree Swan and Beams especially have been too hard to ignore. Beams would be in my top 5 and I would drop Kennedy and Sidebottom a few places. Both have fallen off their previous standards just a tad.

 

[eaglespremiers]

1. Jobe Watson
2. Scott Pendlebury (I didn't like dropping players because of injury, so he'd of stayed here until missed 5+ games)
3. Scott Thompson
4. Trent Cotchin
5. Gary Ablett
6. Josh Kennedy
7. Lance Franklin
8. Brett Deledio
9. Dayne Beams
10. Joel Selwood
11. Dane Swan

Sidebottom the only real issue for mine in the top few. He's too high. I think those guys are a semi clear top 11, not confident with the order though.

Well I've done something in between.
Instead of fully penalizing Pendlebury for games missed I'm rewarding players who continue playing well.
I think there are issues with maintaining Pendlebury at 2. Waiting until five games to start downgrading a player seems too much when we are 12-14 games in. Five games is more than 1 in 3 games missed.
I think Pendlebury ranked at 9 is a fair compromise.

Regarding Sidebottom, perhaps he is too high but I don't think I am the only one who thinks he has been the most consistent Magpie.
Many Pies supporters rate him higher than Beams, so, for the moment, he is ahead.

 

[robertg22]

Well I've done something in between.
Instead of fully penalizing Pendlebury for games missed I'm rewarding players who continue playing well.
I think there are issues with maintaining Pendlebury at 2. Waiting until five games to start downgrading a player seems too much when we are 12-14 games in. Five games is more than 1 in 3 games missed.
I think Pendlebury ranked at 9 is a fair compromise.

Regarding Sidebottom, perhaps he is too high but I don't think I am the only one who thinks he has been the most consistent Magpie.
Many Pies supporters rate him higher than Beams, so, for the moment, he is ahead.

I'd be comfortable with Sidebottom being around the 10-15 range. Swan is almost top 5 now though isn't he? Averaging 35 touches, 6 marks and a goal a game. Would personally have him ahead of Kennedy, Sidebottom, Beams, Stanton & Selwood.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I'd be comfortable with Sidebottom being around the 10-15 range. Swan is almost top 5 now though isn't he? Averaging 35 touches, 6 marks and a goal a game. Would personally have him ahead of Kennedy, Sidebottom, Beams, Stanton & Selwood.

I understand your argument but we mustn't forget how well Kennedy and Stanton started the season.
Also Swan can get a lot of the ball without impacting the game hugely (like against us).
Having said that his form is undeniable and there's really nothing between 3rd and 15th ATM.
In round 10 I ranked him at 50th, now at round 14 he's ranked 12th, so there has been a huge jump for him in the past month.
Sometimes we can get too carried away by recent form. I'd personally take Beams' season to date (despite his quiet start).
But it's pretty much a line ball after Thompson and fluctuates quickly. Swan is capable of breaking well into the top 10 this week.

 

[jezaroo]

From NM v StK:
10 - Daniel Wells
9 - Lenny Hayes, Andrew Swallow
8 - David Armitage, Ben McEvoy
6 - Nick Dal Santo
5 - Brendan Goddard
3 - Nick Riewoldt

I take it you thought St Kilda won? And if you gave Riewoldt votes then surely you could've given Kosi some?

 

[Dwight Schrute]

I take it you thought St Kilda won? And if you gave Riewoldt votes then surely you could've given Kosi some?

He is only giving votes to players in contention for the top 50.

 

[Donakebab]

I take it you thought St Kilda won? And if you gave Riewoldt votes then surely you could've given Kosi some?

It's not a voting system, they are a players game rating from 1/10(11).

 

[eaglespremiers]

I take it you thought St Kilda won? And if you gave Riewoldt votes then surely you could've given Kosi some?

I'm not ranking all the players, just those that are in top 50 contention.
Hence, why there is only two Roos players mentioned.
I could've added:
9 - Leigh Adams, Nathan Grima
8 - Todd Goldstein, Liam Anthony
7 - Drew Petrie, Sam Gibson, Jack Ziebell, Michael Firrito, Scott McMahon
6 - Lachie Hansen, Luke Delaney
5 - Ryan Bastinac, Jamie MacMillan, Brent Harvey, Lindsay Thomas, Shaun Atley
4 - Sam Wright
3 - Kieran Harper
2 - Robbie Tarrant, Matt Campbell

I'm not sure that I'd give Kosi any votes.
At best his three touches would be worth one vote.

 

[eaglespremiers]

From Carl v Coll:
10 - Judd
9 - Robinson, Carrazzo
7 - Sidebottom, Scotland
6 - Swan
5 - Beams, Cloke, Jolly

 

[Red Black and Blue]

A bit generous to Swan, Beams and Cloke who all had touches but barely influenced the match, thought Sidebottom(/Thomas) was best for the pies.

 

[eaglespremiers]

A bit generous to Swan, Beams and Cloke who all had touches but barely influenced the match, thought Sidebottom was best for the pies.

All fixed.
I put the Collingwood players perhaps slightly higher because I was mainly watching the Carlton boys tonight.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I was mainly watching the Carlton boys tonight.

I think you nailed their votes

 

[eaglespremiers]

From NM v WCE:
10 - Cox
9 - Priddis, Swallow
8 - Naitanui, Glass, Kerr
7 - Shuey, Wells
5 - Scooter

Almost didn't give Cox 10 for his kicking in the first half but he got 201 CD points so could almost qualify for a bonus point.

 

[eaglespremiers]

From Melb v Rich:
9 - Tuck, Grigg
8 - Jones, Cotchin
7 - Deledio
6 - Maric, Riewoldt

Didn't catch the game, what are people's thoughts?

 

[eaglespremiers]

Quick Question: Robinson v Judd?
I am considering bringing one of these guys into the 50 on the back of their good games last night.
If you had to chose either Carlton player, who deserves to come in?
Or do neither?

 

[kaiserchief13]

From Carl v Coll:
10 - Judd
9 - Robinson, Carrazzo
7 - Sidebottom, Scotland
6 - Swan
5 - Beams, Cloke, Jolly

Where is Yarran???????? BOG IMO

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Where is Yarran???????? BOG IMO

 

[eaglespremiers]

Where is Yarran???????? BOG IMO

I'm only ranking those in top 50 considerations.
Yarran is not.
I gave him a 9.
I gave Judd the 10 but I understand that arguments could be made for Yarran, Carrazzo or Robinson.