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Lingsface

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Oliver would be a good chance to be number 1 on my list. Also he doesn't feature in these lists often but Blicavs would be selected by 18 coaches in every best 18 in the comp. Man has influence big time.
This is a great call I should have blitz in there. Underrated by myself as well.
 

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_Mike_

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Wouldnt have English there, has the potential but doesnt back it up with consistent output, lacks a tank.
 

bigboysdontcry

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Wouldnt have English there, has the potential but doesnt back it up with consistent output, lacks a tank.
Bit rough there Mike! If he didn’t have injury setbacks last season, he would have been All Australian. Big reason why we lost games we shouldn’t have. Arguably our 2nd most important player between Tim and Naughton.
 

ItsAllAboutMe

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  1. Jeremy Cameron
  2. Patrick Cripps
  3. Max Gawn
  4. Clayton Oliver
  5. Tom Stewart
  6. Christian Petracca
  7. Lachie Neale
  8. Charlie Curnow
  9. Toby Greene
  10. Andrew Brayshaw
  11. Tom Hawkins
  12. Dustin Martin
  13. Callum Mills
  14. Touk Miller
  15. Hugh McCluggage
  16. Sam Walsh
  17. Jordan De Goey
  18. Zach Merrett
  19. Sean Darcy
  20. Patrick Dangerfield
  21. Connor Rozee
  22. Jack Sinclair
  23. Isaac Heeney
  24. Marcus Bontempelli
  25. Tom Lynch
  26. Jacob Weitering
  27. Travis Boak
  28. Steven May
  29. Darcy Moore
  30. Harry McKay
  31. James Sicily
  32. Jack Steele
  33. Dion Prestia
  34. Luke Parker
  35. Josh Dunkley
  36. Chad Warner
  37. Jarrod Witts
  38. Shai Bolton
  39. Nick Daicos
  40. Darcy Moore
  41. Noah Anderson
  42. Braydan Maynard
  43. Sam Taylor
  44. Adam Saad
  45. Mark Blicavs
  46. Tyson Stengle
  47. Charlie Cameron
  48. Bailey Fritsch
  49. Max King
  50. Aaron Naughton
 

Trav 20

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Think about this from my perspective. I'm a dees fan. I've got no reason to rate one player higher than another. But Oliver is just better. Oliver is probably better than Petracca at almost every facet of the game other than overhead marking. Petracca was the worst goal kicker in the afl last year. Essentially 19 goals, 46 behinds/on the fulls. Horrendous converting. Oliver is just so much better in the contest too. And has much better vision, much cleaner, better awareness and much more consistent. He's also quicker, fitter and better defensively.
In endeavouring to enhance Oliver you're making absurd claims about Petracca.

Petracca has fantastic vision and decision making, he had more goal assists than any player in 2022, was 2nd for score assists, he was no.1 for inside 50s, he sets up a tremendous amount of play by bursting through stoppages and dishing off, his ''metres gained'' for a contested bull is elite (AFL top 10), and he's a midfield goal-kicker. The best mids in history are goal-kickers.

Oliver is not ''so much better in the contest''. Oliver may finish his career as the best contested mid the game has seen, but Petracca is also a fantastic contested player. Petracca had the 5th most CP in 2022.
 

danster168

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In endeavouring to enhance Oliver you're making absurd claims about Petracca.

Petracca has fantastic vision and decision making, he had more goal assists than any player in 2022, was 2nd for score assists, he was no.1 for inside 50s, he sets up a tremendous amount of play by bursting through stoppages and dishing off, his ''metres gained'' for a contested bull is elite (AFL top 10), and he's a midfield goal-kicker. The best mids in history are goal-kickers.

Oliver is not ''so much better in the contest''. Oliver may finish his career as the best contested mid the game has seen, but Petracca is also a fantastic contested player. Petracca had the 5th most CP in 2022.
yeah I'm probably a little harsh on his vision and decision making. But I do think Oliver is much better in the contest. 8.7 clearances to Petracca's 4.6. I don't think stats always tell a story but I think the clearance numbers do. And both play the exact same role. I still rate petracca as a top 12 player in the comp but I want his execution to improve dramatically next season because he is unplayable up forward at the moment. Out of all 600 players, he was the worst shot for goal in the afl last season for anyone kicking more than 10 goals.
 

bigboysdontcry

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Was Dunkley in your top 5 (at Dogs)?
If he was still at the dogs this year, I’d rank him in order as most important :

Bontempelli
English
Naughton
Macrae
Dunkley

Libba now takes that spot. Bont to play more midfield minutes which gives him a huge chance in the Brownlow. Now with Lobb, Naughton, Ugle-Hagan, Darcy. Bont won’t be required as much forward.
 

Gavin Excell

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If he was still at the dogs this year, I’d rank him in order as most important :

Bontempelli
English
Naughton
Macrae
Dunkley

Libba now takes that spot. Bont to play more midfield minutes which gives him a huge chance in the Brownlow. Now with Lobb, Naughton, Ugle-Hagan, Darcy. Bont won’t be required as much forward.
Ugle Hagan had a break out year
Naughton can go another level I think

Macrae would be borderline top5 IMO
 

Young Redleg

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Even in big games? I think Trac has more X factor and potential to bust games wide open. Oliver is more consistent though.


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Meh I find the Petracca/Oliver debate to be a bit redundant tbh. I tend to grimace when opposition supporters say that Petracca is much better than Oliver but the bottom line is that they're both brilliant players and I feel extremely lucky to have both.
 

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_Mike_

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Bit rough there Mike! If he didn’t have injury setbacks last season, he would have been All Australian. Big reason why we lost games we shouldn’t have. Arguably our 2nd most important player between Tim and Naughton.

He does lack consistency, still lacks endurance to run out games. But that’s going to happen when he was the only ruck playing. Darcy should help in 2023
 

g_TRAIN

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English is overrated based on the 4-6 excellent games he played this year.

His body of work is still well below the competition's elite ruckman for mine.

No doubt he has potential.
 
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Do the Dew

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Thought I would have a crack and it’s a lot harder than I thought. I’m sure I’ve missed some and open to changes so let loose on me (never doubted).

  1. Jeremy Cameron
  2. Marcus Bontempelli
  3. Lachie Neale
  4. Christian Petracca
  5. Tom Stewart
  6. Patrick Cripps
  7. Touk Miller
  8. Toby Greene
  9. Jack Steele
  10. Clayton Oliver
  11. Harry Mckay
  12. Zach Merrett
  13. Max Gawn
  14. Sam Walsh
  15. Andrew Brayshaw
  16. Callum Millls
  17. Tom Hawkins
  18. Connor Rozee
  19. Ollie Wines
  20. Jack McRae
  21. Tom Lynch
  22. Steven May
  23. Issac Heeney
  24. Charlie Curnow
  25. Shai Bolton
  26. Jack Crisp
  27. Patrick Dangerfield
  28. Travis Boak
  29. Darcy Moore
  30. Nat Fyfe
  31. Jeremy McGovern
  32. Nick Daicos
  33. Charlie Cameron
  34. Mitch Duncan
  35. Tom Barrass
  36. Luke Parker
  37. Hayden Young
  38. Tim English
  39. Dane Rampe
  40. Lachie Whitfield
  41. Noah Anderson
  42. Hugh Mcluggage
  43. Jordan Ridley
  44. Cam Guthrie
  45. Caleb Serong
  46. Zak Butters
  47. Aaron Naughton
  48. Darcy Parish
  49. Tom Mitchell
  50. Sean Darcy
1 and 5 are good snipers!
 

Gavin Excell

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  1. Jeremy Cameron
  2. Patrick Cripps
  3. Max Gawn
  4. Clayton Oliver
  5. Tom Stewart
  6. Christian Petracca
  7. Lachie Neale
  8. Charlie Curnow
  9. Toby Greene
  10. Andrew Brayshaw
  11. Tom Hawkins
  12. Dustin Martin
  13. Callum Mills
  14. Touk Miller
  15. Hugh McCluggage
  16. Sam Walsh
  17. Jordan De Goey
  18. Zach Merrett
  19. Sean Darcy
  20. Patrick Dangerfield
  21. Connor Rozee
  22. Jack Sinclair
  23. Isaac Heeney
  24. Marcus Bontempelli
  25. Tom Lynch
  26. Jacob Weitering
  27. Travis Boak
  28. Steven May
  29. Darcy Moore
  30. Harry McKay
  31. James Sicily
  32. Jack Steele
  33. Dion Prestia
  34. Luke Parker
  35. Josh Dunkley
  36. Chad Warner
  37. Jarrod Witts
  38. Shai Bolton
  39. Nick Daicos
  40. Darcy Moore
  41. Noah Anderson
  42. Braydan Maynard
  43. Sam Taylor
  44. Adam Saad
  45. Mark Blicavs
  46. Tyson Stengle
  47. Charlie Cameron
  48. Bailey Fritsch
  49. Max King
  50. Aaron Naughton
No Shai Bolton
 

1972championsofaust

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Thought I would have a crack and it’s a lot harder than I thought. I’m sure I’ve missed some and open to changes so let loose on me (never doubted).

  1. Jeremy Cameron
  2. Marcus Bontempelli
  3. Lachie Neale
  4. Christian Petracca
  5. Tom Stewart
  6. Patrick Cripps
  7. Touk Miller
  8. Toby Greene
  9. Jack Steele
  10. Clayton Oliver
  11. Harry Mckay
  12. Zach Merrett
  13. Max Gawn
  14. Sam Walsh
  15. Andrew Brayshaw
  16. Callum Millls
  17. Tom Hawkins
  18. Connor Rozee
  19. Ollie Wines
  20. Jack McRae
  21. Tom Lynch
  22. Steven May
  23. Issac Heeney
  24. Charlie Curnow
  25. Shai Bolton
  26. Jack Crisp
  27. Patrick Dangerfield
  28. Travis Boak
  29. Darcy Moore
  30. Nat Fyfe
  31. Jeremy McGovern
  32. Nick Daicos
  33. Charlie Cameron
  34. Mitch Duncan
  35. Tom Barrass
  36. Luke Parker
  37. Hayden Young
  38. Tim English
  39. Dane Rampe
  40. Lachie Whitfield
  41. Noah Anderson
  42. Hugh Mcluggage
  43. Jordan Ridley
  44. Cam Guthrie
  45. Caleb Serong
  46. Zak Butters
  47. Aaron Naughton
  48. Darcy Parish
  49. Tom Mitchell
  50. Sean Darcy
Holy F**k Man…. Am I missing the reigning B&F of his club and the most expensive AFL Fantasy Footy Player in Rory Laird?
 

bungalow_bill

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It's crazy that Daicos is only 19 and people already have him in lists like this, He's going to be one hell of a player.

Barring injury young Ashcroft will be top 20 with a bullet this time next year

Re this list McCluggage needs to be much higher and Zac Bailey deserves a spot
 

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