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Waters is EXTREMELY tough, still can't believe he got straight up after that derby hit.
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NO WAY he must be so tough
There is nothing remotely 'tough' about Rugby League....
Its a sport that involves 5 seconds of running then followed by a 20 second rest once the next ball is played... No endurance element at all
Apart from the occassional awesome shoulder charge or 'brick wall' style tackle, which only occurs once a week across 8 games, contact always comes from the front unless there is the 'common' dog-act of drilling a player in the ribs after he's tackled already... other than their size & arguably their strength which makes them 'big', what is actually 'tough' about these guys?
And what classifies them as being 'tougher'? I love the Storm & to me the toughest guy in the game is Cam Smith & Cam reminds me a lot of Lenny Hayes, Luke Ball & Chris Judd because he is tireless, fearless, a tackling machine & gives his all 110% of the game....
Would love to see an experiment involving five 2km time trials (each to be completed in under 9 minutes) with a 1 minute boxing round inbetween.... I dare say the AFL guys would prove to be far far 'tougher'!
Its a sport that involves 5 seconds of running then followed by a 20 second rest once the next ball is played... No endurance element at all
Apart from the occassional awesome shoulder charge or 'brick wall' style tackle, which only occurs once a week across 8 games, contact always comes from the front unless there is the 'common' dog-act of drilling a player in the ribs after he's tackled already... other than their size & arguably their strength which makes them 'big', what is actually 'tough' about these guys?
And what classifies them as being 'tougher'? I love the Storm & to me the toughest guy in the game is Cam Smith & Cam reminds me a lot of Lenny Hayes, Luke Ball & Chris Judd because he is tireless, fearless, a tackling machine & gives his all 110% of the game....
Would love to see an experiment involving five 2km time trials (each to be completed in under 9 minutes) with a 1 minute boxing round inbetween.... I dare say the AFL guys would prove to be far far 'tougher'!
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Are we talking about tough humans or are we talking about tough footballers??
Luke Hodge is a tough dude and probable courageous but he goes to water when he has an opponent and can't handle a tag. He plays his best football (in fact most of the time his only good football) when he's left alone. Put some pressure on him or give him someone other than space to worry about and he's anonymous.
Andrew Swallow is a tough footballer. Jude Bolton is a tough footballer. Luke Ball is a tough footballer. Lenny Hayes, Alan Toovey, Max Rooke, Jordie McKenzie, etc, etc, etc. These guys are tough footballers.
Luke Hodge is a tough dude and probable courageous but he goes to water when he has an opponent and can't handle a tag. He plays his best football (in fact most of the time his only good football) when he's left alone. Put some pressure on him or give him someone other than space to worry about and he's anonymous.
Andrew Swallow is a tough footballer. Jude Bolton is a tough footballer. Luke Ball is a tough footballer. Lenny Hayes, Alan Toovey, Max Rooke, Jordie McKenzie, etc, etc, etc. These guys are tough footballers.
And gets straight back up
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Bloke nearly lost a kidney this pre-season FFS.
Absolute BS mate,
Hodge is close checked every game. No coach lets him run free these days.
He gets touched up every now and then but will usually beat a tag. You don't know this though because you dont watch Hawthorn.
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I do watch Hawthorn but he is the most easily tagged out of the universally regarded elite mids.
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Tom Logan for ports toughest, there's a clip somewhere of him having his head smashed open in a showdown, and getting straight back up to contest the ball before being sent off.
Robert Harvey too, for the whole jumping of the table thing
Robert Harvey too, for the whole jumping of the table thing
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Not just a Nick Maxwell thing, but I love how some fans take one isolated incident (eg. the McGinnity hit) and embellish it into a career-long, consistent pattern of bad behaviour. Darren Milburn has suffered the same fate since knocking out Stephen Silvagni a decade ago. Labelled for life as a "sniper" and a "dog", when he's never been involved in anything nearly as untoward since that regretable hit on SOS.
Does that make everyone in the opposition weak for letting him get away with it?
s**t, I'm a big McGinnity fan and I don't care - I seriously doubt Paddy cares. Injuries and mistakes happen.
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And he gets straight back up without any bullshit.
Classic example of a piss weak person who feels the need to talk down a guy who has more courage than you'd ever even be able to dream of having. You're nothing.
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Ed Lower played half a game against the Dogs last year with a broken collarbone and was still throwing himself into packs in the last few minutes despite the obvious pain. Does that count?
But yeah, Jonno Brown, and anyone else who puts their head in even though they know its gonna get smashed.
But yeah, Jonno Brown, and anyone else who puts their head in even though they know its gonna get smashed.
There's nothing tough about wandering around sticking your finger into other mens bottoms.
Hard to believe they had to bring in a new law just to stop it.
Hard to believe they had to bring in a new law just to stop it.
Maybe in a stand up fight the average thugby league player would beat the average footballer. But there's WAY more to toughness than that, especially in a footballing sense. Your average inside midfielder runs 12-15KMs a game (your average thugby league player would probably need 5 games to run that far) whilst getting bumped, scragged, tackled, jumped on and knocked to the ground over and over. THAT's tough.
I'm with you here ..one incident in a career should not define a players reputation for life.
As for the OP...being tough is not about charging into players with elbows and shoulders when they open and unprotected ...it's standing or jumping in front of a charging forward...or running back for a mark with your eyes on the ball.... knowing the hit is coming.
That is my definition of tough.
for Carlton it's Simpson, Duigan and Robinson as standouts. Judd, Laidler, Scotland, Thornton, Ellard all fit into the category too.
A lot like that.
One of the hardest hits you'll see anywhere.
The rate at which his forward momentum was halted to be knocked back would have just about had a G-force value attached.
All our players are tough, but some are just a bit tougher.
One player for bombers is Sam Lonergan, his a little warrior haha
Love the way Lenny Hayes and Beau Waters play footy, awesome to watch. Waters this year in the derby running back into a pack and getting straight back up just shows you how tough he is.
Then theres guys like Mitch Robinson and Tom Logan who are just absolute nut cases! They will stop at nothing to get the ball and it is seriously good to watch.
In a different way Tom Lonergan and Max Bailey would be right up there in toughness too. Lonergan lost his kidney in a courageous act, came back to the game a couple of years later and reinvented himself as a player. Bailey's had something like 3 knee reconstructions, but he keeps coming back and continues to jump and run even though he can't trust his knees.
Then theres guys like Mitch Robinson and Tom Logan who are just absolute nut cases! They will stop at nothing to get the ball and it is seriously good to watch.
In a different way Tom Lonergan and Max Bailey would be right up there in toughness too. Lonergan lost his kidney in a courageous act, came back to the game a couple of years later and reinvented himself as a player. Bailey's had something like 3 knee reconstructions, but he keeps coming back and continues to jump and run even though he can't trust his knees.
