List Mgmt. Trade: Allen Christensen traded to Brisbane in exchange for National Draft selection no. 21

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Ethical framework.....are you kidding me. So trade period opens, in which the club and he had it seems a handshake deal that 'in principle' the
terms of a new contract were settled. Then, two days into the trade window, bang. No consultation or negotiation based upon this in principle
agreement.

Not his fault???? FFS get a grip. This is his workings, not the AFL. He is not an unrestricted free agent. So the system is not built around him
and his poor decisions.

What pains me the most is this tree-hugging crap for every lame excuse we give to people who make a lot of money playing a sport.
There is no accountability for his actions, just the club as a whole taking it wholeheartedly in the you know what.

I like how you state he owes nothing to the club, raising the long term injury issues. Tell me when we've delisted someone due to long term
injuries, where the player's behaviour was above standard and was a club champion? Menzel, Snell, Domsy, are just a few over the years to which
the club has held onto and supported throughout their injuries. Catsinamerica on here stated well we are only giving this long term support to talented players, ie. without talent, you would be delisted. I beg to differ, Domsy wasn't that great as a forward and hadn't really been switched back yet, still we kept him on the list to better support him.

Yet you know better?

This decision by Bundy speaks highly of his behavioural problems, all linked to his virtues and ethics. This is a fair assessment of this decision,
but, is not an excuse by me to attack him, just the tree-huggers who believe this is not his fault. It is most definitely his fault and the club has
to now deal with it.
Give it a rest.
 

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What pains me the most is this tree-hugging crap for every lame excuse we give to people who make a lot of money playing a sport.
There is no accountability for his actions, just the club as a whole taking it wholeheartedly in the you know what.
You are seeing the ball beautifully today. I think you're a chance for a hundred before lunch. :)

I like how you state he owes nothing to the club, raising the long term injury issues. Tell me when we've delisted someone due to long term
injuries, where the player's behaviour was above standard and was a club champion? Menzel, Snell, Domsy, are just a few over the years to which the club has held onto and supported throughout their injuries. Catsinamerica on here stated well we are only giving this long term support to talented players, ie. without talent, you would be delisted. I beg to differ, Domsy wasn't that great as a forward and hadn't really been switched back yet, still we kept him on the list to better support him.
Yep. And really, if we're being honest, they've been generous with Simpson, Brown, Vardy and McCarthy too (have I missed anyone? I mentioned Cowan earlier). There might be many things we disagree with at the club (and I absolutely do), but I'd find it pretty hard to accuse them of being ruthless with injured players. There seems to be a lot of evidence that suggests they are exactly the opposite.

This decision by Bundy speaks highly of his behavioural problems, all linked to his virtues and ethics. This is a fair assessment of this decision,
but, is not an excuse by me to attack him, just the tree-huggers who believe this is not his fault. It is most definitely his fault and the club has to now deal with it.
Correct. Even now, if he came out and said "look I've got my reasons, and I've changed my mind. I acknowledge it puts the club out, but is how I want to proceed", I'd say well at least he's owned up to it. We're not even getting that. Instead we'll get the time-honoured footy tradition of real reason hidden, false reasons invented for PR spin.
 

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you have no idea. its actually laughable. There is a reason that depression is rife amongst young footballers. I'd bet london to a brick you'd never get through a preaseason.
What a terrible post. You have no idea what our athletic abilities are. Footballers aren't gods, and the sooner you get used to that idea the better. There are many far harder professions both physically and mentally out there, who don't receive a fraction of support that AFL players do. At least they receive support for depression, unlike many people I've known, who've had to deal with it alone. I'm disappointed with your post, you have always seemed like a good poster to me.
 
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Hang on a little. Played a solid game, but he didn't dominate. That sprang from Robert Walls, and you could hear the legend growing during the telecast.

During the call, Walls actually says "King has almost been the most effective ruckman on the ground".

Two days later in the paper, it had become "King was the most effective ruckman on the ground".

Say it again, repeating something many times doesn't make it more true. We've all got the DVD to watch. He played a solid game, was very good in the third quarter. But he didn't dominate.
He was effective. Certainly worth more than pick 91.
 

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I thought that we got rid of King and Gardiner for a low pick in order to save salary cap space, nothing more. The reason why is was pick 90 was becasue St Kilda probably only wanted King but Geelong was only willing to trade king if we offloaded Gardiner.
 

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some of you guys have enjoyed success far far too much.

Can anybody name a worse trade than we are about to cop. Welcome to the record books.
yep colbert. all we got was spriggs and bray.....oh wait....there was that guy with the long hair and that half back flanker too....what were their names.....

my point actually is that if colbert was worth a young tall, pick 15, pick 17 and pick 47, what is chriso really worth? 2 spuds and 2 premiership heroes for colby, i will take 1 spud and 1 premiership hero for chriso. :D
 
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Sadly something he seems to be good at

Why not just move to the otherside of Geelong,where he works for Mitho,and it's way away from Lara
Instead he's just screwing the club because he screwed up off field.

If he goes I hope if he plays Geelong next year the Geelong players target him.Of course he'll probably be missing through injury or concussion.
Move to Melbourne, iirc Bartel, Hmac and Rivers live in Melbourne. No shortage of a lift to training. If my experiences are anything to go by, move down the surfcoast, hardly anyone I know down that way is a Geelong fan... We're actually in the minority.
Hopefully he says that Eagles are a genuine option and have indicated a better deal.

Yeah that's right.
You draft up the contract, I'll sign it on his behalf;) tbh I'd send him to WCE just to send the message that you can't make demands like this.
 

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you have no idea. its actually laughable. There is a reason that depression is rife amongst young footballers. I'd bet london to a brick you'd never get through a preaseason.
And I bet most of the players wouldn't be able to handle being stuck in a job they hate earning 60k a year and supporting a wife and toddler

I'm not saying for a moment they don't have issues but a lot of them could do with a dose of living in the real world
 

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He was effective. Certainly worth more than pick 91.
As has been mentioned plenty of times, including last night - unless we could have got a pick higher than 50 and in particular a pick in the top 30 for King, then whatever trade was done for him wouldn't have really made much difference to our eventual draft that year. Pick 50 was our last live picked used on Dan McKenna, we then used pick 60 on Donohue (f&s selection) - do you think St Kilda would have seriously offered a a pick for King that was higher then 50 or 40? What pick should we have got from the Saints - they had already given #26 to the Swans for Schneider & Dempster, so the only other picks of theirs which would have impacted our draft were either #9 or #42 and neither of those would have happened. Even if we traded King for pick 57 we still pick up Donohue and it makes no difference to our drafting that year.

We get it that you don't like some of the trade that Geelong have done in the past, but maybe go look at the draft order & other trades done during those years and offer a realistic alternative as to what we could have done instead and if it would have actually made any difference to the end result.
 

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So the message from Emma Quale last night is that Bundy is out of contract, but with that being the case this line in the article about him choosing Brisbane seems a tad weird:
The Gold Coast also have less room in their salary cap compared with Brisbane to accommodate his estimated $400,000 pay packet.

If he is out of contract, couldn't GC negotiate a new contract with him and maybe pay less next year and adjust it over the remaining years of a deal so it aves out at $400k a season - or is the $400k his asking price and he won't budge from it, even if it averages out at that over a 3/4 year deal. Just seems a weird line for a player out of contract where his salary isn't set for next year. Things are just confusing.
 

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And I bet most of the players wouldn't be able to handle being stuck in a job they hate earning 60k a year and supporting a wife and toddler

I'm not saying for a moment they don't have issues but a lot of them could do with a dose of living in the real world
Even better, what about those earning 45K a year with 3 kids?

You'd be hard pressed to find a more insulting and ignorant comment than what you responded to. Footballers are gods, and everyone else should worship them.
 

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Even better, what about those earning 45K a year with 3 kids?

You'd be hard pressed to find a more insulting and ignorant comment than what you responded to. Footballers are gods, and everyone else should worship them.
The way everything across the AFL has played out since the GF is really starting to put me off the game. Players who have been in the system 2 years walking out on clubs wanting better opportunities... spare me. Coaches being sacked because the players don't like getting told they aren't as good as they think they are or they aren't getting enough love... Christ do they want people to wipe their arses for them as well?? Then add to that the whole Essendon crap which has hijacked the game for 2 years and would have been sorted out instantly if they hadn't arrogantly and stubbornly fought every step of the way

It makes it hard to keep enjoying everything because it's only going to get worse as well.

Bring on the start of the A- League and the Victory tonight I say... f**k trade week and footy until the practice matches are about to start
 

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puts things into perspective doesn't it.
Bundy would have to be on about 250K - 300K wouldn't he?

I know there's a lot of successful folk in here but that's just ridiculous money for 21-23yr old's. 200K! You can virtually have your first house entirely paid off before your 25th birthday :p
Thats a bloody big house!
 

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So the message from Emma Quale last night is that Bundy is out of contract, but with that being the case this line in the article about him choosing Brisbane seems a tad weird:
The Gold Coast also have less room in their salary cap compared with Brisbane to accommodate his estimated $400,000 pay packet.

If he is out of contract, couldn't GC negotiate a new contract with him and maybe pay less next year and adjust it over the remaining years of a deal so it aves out at $400k a season - or is the $400k his asking price and he won't budge from it, even if it averages out at that over a 3/4 year deal. Just seems a weird line for a player out of contract where his salary isn't set for next year. Things are just confusing.
we are meeting with him today
 
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