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I reckon after the finals is a good time.
Get all the crap out of the way in here and focus on the good stuff in the new one.
Thoughts?
See I have watched Lipinski a fair bit, and he's quality, and I think you're nit-picking stats. Lipinski is not only playing more often for his team across the last 4 years, but being played out of position and still getting better disposals than Sier. Now I don't even think Sier is a bad player, I would have had him in out guts for most of this year if it was me. Lipinski also has very good skills, and kicking efficiency levels that we could only dream about with most of our players. He's also only 23ish, so plenty of football left.Lipinski has scored 2 goals this season (1 more than Sier) and averages 1 more score involvement than Sier this year in a much higher scoring team.
Again I'm don't know enough about Lipinski to judge. But you're basically buying him on potential rather than proven experience/output. And it's a position (midfield/wing) where we're not exactly lacking in terms of potential (Daicos x2, Macrae, Bianco, Reef, Poulter who will need opportunities going forward).
He's been in the system just as long as Sier for 5 years now in a side that has made a similar number of finals appearances in that time and failed to establish himself as a best 22. If we have ambitions to be a contender again I don't see how getting players that are not good enough for other contenders will help us get there. And if we're buying on potential, I'd rather players who have had less years in the system like a Dylan Stephens who might have higher upside. Prefer to walk him into the PSD over Lipinski.
I reckon after the finals is a good time.
Get all the crap out of the way in here and focus on the good stuff in the new one.
Thoughts?
See I have watched Lipinski a fair bit, and he's quality, and I think you're nit-picking stats. Lipinski is not only playing more often for his team across the last 4 years, but being played out of position and still getting better disposals than Sier. Now I don't even think Sier is a bad player, I would have had him in out guts for most of this year if it was me. Lipinski also has very good skills, and kicking efficiency levels that we could only dream about with most of our players. He's also only 23ish, so plenty of football left.
People need to get the notion that we’ll be after Naish again just because we did last year out of their heads. 12 months ago we had Ned Guy as the list manager, heavily influenced by Hine. Now we have Wright in control, who by the sound of it has a fundamentally different approach to list management, and is very experienced in identifying opposition players who can actually add value.
Now we might end up picking him up, who knows? But I wouldn’t be surprised either if he wasn’t on our radar at all anymore with new blood in charge.
Well aware of our constraints, but that doesn’t mean we have to restrict ourselves to grabbing underwhelming, soft players. We have enough of those already.Regarding any players coming in this year the Pies will be restricted simply because they have few picks to trade with. So a player like Naish who costs nothing would come up in discussions as would free agents. This year more so than usual. Matt Crouch, Chol, Hewett.
Any updates on Ruscoe? Ive been away, he is out of contract I believe.
What would be fair?
If nothing else, they’ve been good at stuffing up first rounders for the last decade. Durdin at 16Garner over Grundy. Ouch
I like all those except dunstan, we don't need a slow mid with s**t disposalIf we could emerge from the trade and draft period with a haul like this, then I'd be pretty happy:
- Pick up Blake Schlensog from South Fremantle as a delisted free agent before the National Draft. He's only 20 and had a strong year as a key position forward and back in the senior WAFL. Previously on Geelong's list, so now should know what's required to make it at AFL level.
- Grab Luke Dunstan from St K as an unrestricted free agent. He's only 26, so we could offer a 3 year deal on average money. He had a good year at St K in 2021, before surprisingly being dropped for the last couple of rounds. We all know his disposal isn't great, but his strength is at clearances and we certainly need support there, until McCrea and McInness get stronger.
- In the National Draft, we grab Daicos, Dib and maybe another if we have the picks available.
- Pre-season draft with our pick #2 -we try to shake loose one of Jarrod Brander, Patrick Lipinski, Dylan Stephens, Nathan Kreuger. I'm not a big wrap for Jake Riccardi.
All of this should keep intact all of our 2022 draft picks. Whatever we do, we should aim not to touch next years draft picks -unless we can improve them. Hopefully trading out Sier, Cox, Thomas and maybe Lynch will raise enough draft points to cover Daicos and Dib. If both Cox and Lynch leave, we'll need to pick up another ruck as support and for the VFL squad.
you believe a North fan has suggested they offer pick 20 in the 2021 Draft for our 1st pick in 2022???!!!
Bonkers!!!
Poor HorneIf nothing else, they’ve been good at stuffing up first rounders for the last decade. Durdin at 16
Well aware of our constraints, but that doesn’t mean we have to restrict ourselves to grabbing underwhelming, soft players. We have enough of those already.
Lots of players are ooc, I imagine there will be significant progress in that now we have a coach. Given Ruscoes significant development in defence this year I’d imagine we wouldn’t want to let him go cheaply, but he’s given no indication of wanting to leave so I’d imagine it’s a moot discussion.
See I have watched Lipinski a fair bit, and he's quality, and I think you're nit-picking stats. Lipinski is not only playing more often for his team across the last 4 years, but being played out of position and still getting better disposals than Sier. Now I don't even think Sier is a bad player, I would have had him in out guts for most of this year if it was me. Lipinski also has very good skills, and kicking efficiency levels that we could only dream about with most of our players. He's also only 23ish, so plenty of football left.
We know what we get from WHE I prefer him on a flank pushing up the ground.
Sidey is getting on and can play mostly anywhere.
Daicos in my opinion is a true HFF elite kicking skills and great around goals just doesn't get enough of the footy when playing full time mid, I think he should be taking the Josh Thomas role.
See what happens I guess.
The next Stevie J I thinkWasn't Garner supposed to be 'the next big thing' at one stage ..??
Wasn't Garner supposed to be 'the next big thing' at one stage ..??
One thing GW has never been, a pushover at the trade tableGW being “bold” might mean not being a complete pushover at the trade table, using PSD leverage etc. Bold but not headline-grabby.
Can Naish play back pocket/small defender, by any chance?
I was using Naish as an example. Surely there is a number of options out there that are an upgrade on Thomas that we can get for nix. Look at Keays at Adelaide for an example. Former pick 24 in draft delisted by Brisbane.I would honestly prefer that mature player to be Thomas over Naish. He's hardly a mature experienced head either. He has 9 games of experience and was drafted in the same year as Murphy who's now played more games than him. Do we think of Murphy as a mature player?
Also you name Jesse White as not useful but what if Naish is another Tony Armstrong (which he mostly likely projects to be)? That's not very useful either. Weideman should be the value of what Peter Wright went for last year (future 4th) or walk him to the PSD. If he's expensive then pass on him and pick up DFA Daniel Talia if we want that mature body. 1 year older than Madgen and a much better experienced head in the backline in a position we clearly lack depth.
Lipinski>Sidebottom>WHE. His 2021 was better than those two and he’s still got development in him that those two don’t.
On Krueger he’s only moving for opportunity so is he a lock for our back 7 with everyone fit? I’m a hundred times yes because it frees up Moore and guarantees the demise of Madgen (if he survives the off-season cull), but do others think it’s getting too tall with three 200cm KPD’s + Howe and Maynard potentially up the field?
He has bags of talent and ability (the sort that can swing games in your team's favour), but his body really stifled his development early on and he hasn't had much luck with injury since.
2014: Hamstring Tendon in pre-season
2015: Fractured Thumb
2016: Hamstring, Knee Cyst
2017: Interrupted pre-season but played 18 games
2018: Groin injury in pre-season, hamstring "tightness"
2019: Brain fade at a nightclub
2020: Hamstring
My comment is more a generic comment about fringe players from other clubs. The assumption that all fringe players are destined to be spuds is wrong. Many will be, but some have turned out to be real finds.Naish is still on topic, yeah? He’s not a mature body.
I’m sold then because Motlop and his groin aside your Geelong word is as good as it gets on here. With Greenwood going out as well at the very least he’ll be good on the training track.
The thing I like about Lipinski is he is good in transition, has size and pace and fits our age profile perfectly. I think he has the potential to be a higher possession winner than Daicos and WHE. He's a guy with flaws so it'd be interesting what a coach like McRae could do with him.