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his ability to read the play is great, doesn't jump and stays down to crumb the goals.
Reminds me of a more athletic Dickson
Gowers doesn't jump? I would say he jumps at the footy in our forward line more so than any other player. It's a good thing, he's taking loads of marks.
 

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I think Richmond have flipped their whole approach and understanding of football, people rave about Dustin Martin
and rightfully so, but in my opinion the other Richmond players allow Dustin a certain freedom in the way he
approaches his football in an attacking sense. I would use the analogy of Sam Murray from Collingwood, he could
have stayed at Sydney and starred in the NEAFL waiting for an opportunity, but Collingwood to their credit came
in and swept him up with the promise of opportunity much like our raid on the great Shane Biggs. I see both
Menadue and Markov in the same light waiting for the opportunity bus even though they both have more exposed
form than Sam Murray and would cost more. 3 to 4 years more advanced than a draftee.
Agree on Murray and on the concept, not sure on Menadue - don't know enough on Markov to really comment. Menadue I think, is just a dud selection...
 

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Gowers doesn't jump? I would say he jumps at the footy in our forward line more so than any other player. It's a good thing, he's taking loads of marks.
meaning that when hes infront of contest he doesn't impact other forwards and wait for the ball to fall

Like his second goal against Freo last week
 

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Statistically only two players in VFL/AFL history are if we're talking about goal accuracy.

Gowers is a rookie listed player who played 6 AFL games.
TBH pre-season I wasn't sure he would have even debuted by now and he's leading our goal-kicking. For any flaws in his game I'm calling his performances a bonus. Consider some of the guys we've had on the rookie list in the past and he's ahead of curve, and consider we traditionally do better via the rookie draft than most clubs do and we should be doing cartwheels to pick up a guy for nothing who is contributing to the team in a area we desperately need help in.
Don't get me wrong, I agree. Also, his kicking this weekend seemed pretty spot on so that is very promising. It was a bit tongue in cheek. Another interesting fact, he is now 8 goals 6 behinds for the year. Whilst I imagine that lacks from not having stats for misses, that type of conversion is welcomed for a team who's conversion rate is far below that number. Averaging over a goal a game as well, Gowers should be proud of what he has done so far. Long may it continue.
 

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Statistically only two players in VFL/AFL history are if we're talking about goal accuracy.

Gowers is a rookie listed player who played 6 AFL games.
TBH pre-season I wasn't sure he would have even debuted by now and he's leading our goal-kicking. For any flaws in his game I'm calling his performances a bonus. Consider some of the guys we've had on the rookie list in the past and he's ahead of curve, and consider we traditionally do better via the rookie draft than most clubs do and we should be doing cartwheels to pick up a guy for nothing who is contributing to the team in a area we desperately need help in.
Just on goal kicking accuracy, here's an unsung hero.

Libba Career stats: 39 Goals 16 Behinds - 70.9% conversion rate
Dickson Career stats: 151 Goals 52 Behinds - 74.4% conversion rate

Granted that it's not strictly set shots and doesn't include shots where they miss the sticks altogether (wouldn't happen often with those two but would bring their respective percentages down a tad) We are currently without our two most accurate shots on goal. I think Dickson averages 1.66 goals a game and Libba 0.3 a game so 2 goals a game on average between them. Plus everything else they do.
 
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Just on goal kicking accuracy, here's an unsung hero.

Libba Career stats: 39 Goals 16 Behinds - 70.9% conversion rate
Dickson Career stats: 151 Goals 52 Behinds - 74.4% conversion rate

Granted that it's not strictly set shots and doesn't include shots where they miss the sticks altogether (wouldn't happen often with those two but would bring their respective percentages down a tad) We are currently without our two most accurate shots on goal. I think Dickson averages 0.7 goals a game and libba 0.3 a game so a goal a game on average between them. Plus everything else they do.
Libba is elite on his left foot - won the kicking test at his Draft Combine IIRC. He's actually one of our best kicks.
 

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Libba is elite on his left foot - won the kicking test at his Draft Combine IIRC. He's actually one of our best kicks.
Not the right thread for it but whilst on the subject we had 27 shots on goal against Carlton for 11 goals. 41% accuracy/conversion. And if you think that's bad, it was 30% better* than our 2017/18 average:eek:
*Champion data stats in Saturday Herald sun. Think I'm reading it right - highlighted in green for a 30% above 2017/18 average stat
 
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Just on goal kicking accuracy, here's an unsung hero.

Libba Career stats: 39 Goals 16 Behinds - 70.9% conversion rate
Dickson Career stats: 151 Goals 52 Behinds - 74.4% conversion rate

Granted that it's not strictly set shots and doesn't include shots where they miss the sticks altogether (wouldn't happen often with those two but would bring their respective percentages down a tad) We are currently without our two most accurate shots on goal. I think Dickson averages 0.7 goals a game and libba 0.3 a game so a goal a game on average between them. Plus everything else they do.
His defensive pressure forward is good too. Could potentially make a go of it there in the future if our other kids come on and he’s not so essential in the guts.
 

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his ability to read the play is great, doesn't jump and stays down to crumb the goals.
Reminds me of a more athletic Dickson
I reckon Billy’s got a lot of the Mitch Hahn’s about him
Bit of a small Jonathan Hey smell about him at the minute Pann, but I am a big fan also saying that.
Nah I reckon he’s having the confidence kicked out of him by a club that allows the ball to waltz out of the centre of the ground. Weitering in one of the kids I hold no fears for. He’s a legitimate star, who’s in a rut. Like Daniher.
Good to see you back posting on here. :)

I was concerned that you had gone over to the Swans as part of the Dal deal. ;)
Clubs couldn’t get a deal done. I thought I was worth a packet of chips and they didn’t agree. So, like Ryan O’Keefe, I’ll pick myself up and stay. And hopefully win a flag.
 

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Just on goal kicking accuracy, here's an unsung hero.

Libba Career stats: 39 Goals 16 Behinds - 70.9% conversion rate
Dickson Career stats: 151 Goals 52 Behinds - 74.4% conversion rate

Granted that it's not strictly set shots and doesn't include shots where they miss the sticks altogether (wouldn't happen often with those two but would bring their respective percentages down a tad) We are currently without our two most accurate shots on goal. I think Dickson averages 0.7 goals a game and libba 0.3 a game so a goal a game on average between them. Plus everything else they do.
Dickson is going at 1.66 a game over his career. That's the best on our list (Redpath 1.58, Gowers and Lipinski 1.33, everybody else < 1.00)
 

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Dickson is going at 1.66 a game over his career. That's the best on our list (Redpath 1.58, Gowers and Lipinski 1.33, everybody else < 1.00)
Quite right. My mistake. Flicked back to the page that gave this season stats rather than career stats but given that he's only played 91 games it shouldn't have escaped notice. Thanks editor in chief. Next time try to get in before publication:thumbsu::p
 

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While we're throwing up Tiger players, what about Corey Ellis? Not playing much, haven't seen much of him. Remember was highly rated and believe a Western suburbs boy. What type of player is he and will he make it?
 

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While we're throwing up Tiger players, what about Corey Ellis? Not playing much, haven't seen much of him. Remember was highly rated and believe a Western suburbs boy. What type of player is he and will he make it?
Corey Ellis 184 cm 79 kg kicked 7 goals 4 behinds from 23 games, Left footed wing/half back.
Connor Menadue 187 cm 80 kg kicked 10 goals 6 behinds from 28 games, quick wing/flanker.
Oleg Markov 188 cm 80 kg kicked 3 goals 2 behinds from 15 games, dashing run and carry flanker.

2017- Ellis 6 games, Menadue 9 games and Markov 7 games. Ellis 9/10/96, Menadue 19/9/96, Markov 8/5/96.
1996 Excellent vintage.
 

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Corey Ellis 184 cm 79 kg kicked 7 goals 4 behinds from 23 games, Left footed wing/half back.
Connor Menadue 187 cm 80 kg kicked 10 goals 6 behinds from 28 games, quick wing/flanker.
Oleg Markov 188 cm 80 kg kicked 3 goals 2 behinds from 15 games, dashing run and carry flanker.

2017- Ellis 6 games, Menadue 9 games and Markov 7 games. Ellis 9/10/96, Menadue 19/9/96, Markov 8/5/96.
1996 Excellent vintage.
Menadue Dogs fan growing up. Family still mad Dogs supporters.
 

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Jon Ralph reporting that all four free agents are close to deals.

Not sure if it's worth all that much.
Knowing how much he loves to spectulate on free agents moving clubs (often 12-18 months in advance), the anti climax of them re-signing with their club would be like a dagger through the heart.
 

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McGovern putting his contract off till next year. I wonder if we still have that Hurley money...
Considering he would want in excess of $1 million, I'd probably pass. Great player but I'd be confident in Naughton becoming out own version of him. Would much prefer to target quick mids and forwards with any cap room.
 
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