Strategy Trade and List management (Add your rumour to the simmering stew that is the post season. Edition.)

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Yeah Adelaide knew what the compo was going to be and didn’t think that was enough so they matched and went to trade.
I think Adelaide indicated to Geelong that they'd match, so Geelong didn't bother putting in a FA bid and went straight through to trade negotiation
Eagles and saints keen on Roughead with him likely to leave according to Stevo/Ch7
Lycett must be leaving then

NicNat, Vardy, Roughead, wowee, think of that rehab room
What are people's thought on Aaron Hall?

I dont mind him as a low cost option.
Hard to imagine a fringe player at a basket case like GC commands top dollar...

But then, we are talking Norf who resemble a drunk at a nightclub when its 2am and ugly hour commences...we've all been there.
Hall is hardly a fringe player, pretty sure he's been injured this year

His one way running is the biggest knock on his game, but his speed from congestion would be handy for us
Would be a fan if he was 2-3 years younger.

Also, just saw that Michael Rischitelli has played 19 games for the Suns this year and is averaging 10 disposals. Wtf is that? No wonder they’d be throwing silly money at Wallis.
Rischitelli is playing off half back too

Horrendous output from someone who used to find his own footy fairly easily before he had his knee issues
He's not cheap, but North are stuck with the Goldy contract.

TBH I really think we only need a 1-2 year ruck, English will be a gun and will play more games next year before pushing to be a week in - week out proposition in another 18 months. I've suggested Zac Clarke as a cheap WAFL pick up but it might just be a Boyd/Trengove/English rotation next year anyway.
No point looking at Preuss who's worth a fortune to North while we've invested in Boyd, Trengove and English

Clarke could work provided BTC and Roughy are shipped out
 

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Our initial offers were made well before GWS were even talking to him. We let it slide and as the season wore on GWS started the conversation.
That makes a lot more sense to me than to say we lost him to GWS for $50k.

We may have lost him because we didnt take advantage of the time before GWS made their offer but then how were we or anyone for that matter to know exactly which player they were targeting when the player himself didn't know. The way the story was told in the media was that he would have rejected the big money offer for the sake of another $50k.
 

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This ruck merry go round is all a bit strange.
If St Kilda are indeed into Lycett, then that makes more sense rather than going after Menzel, Roughy or Hannebery who seem to be cooked or close to it at the moment, with Longer and Hickey being busts also.

He'd improve them a little bit in that position
 
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As a Lions supporter I agree, no priority picks rewarding bad management. We have been really crap for a long time and yes we got a pick but only after we were raided with the "go Home" factor. Carlton, St Kilda and the Suns have been their own worst enemies and have done badly at drafting and trading and so had the Lions until we fixed the off field management first which them started out kids developing again where they had stagnated and just did time until they left. If we loose to the suns this week we will finish behind St Kilda and if they get a priority pick,by definition we will get one and we don't need or want one. These compromised drafts are a pain in the ass but what it does do, a we are proof, is that is makes you focus internally on development and care of players rather than trying to 'buy' a winning team.
Brisbane are pulling together a very, very good team, and will definitely start to reap the rewards for what has been a really tough journey.
 

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If St Kilda are indeed into Lycett, then that makes more sense rather than going after Menzel, Roughy or Hannebery who seem to be cooked or close to it at the moment, with Longer and Hickey being busts also.

He'd improve them a little bit in that position
Don't know why he wouldnt request a trade to Port, if we wants to leave WC,as he is a Port boy and Ryder is 31 next year.
Also WC would fight to keep him with NicNat out the entire 2019 season you would think.
 

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Don't know why he wouldnt request a trade to Port, if we wants to leave WC,as he is a Port boy and Ryder is 31 next year.
Also WC would fight to keep him with NicNat out the entire 2019 season you would think.
He's linked with Port also apparently

Perhaps he may think he won't be first choice there in the medium term, Ryder will be 31 start of next season, if his achilles can be managed then he may play 2-3 more years, Port are better off investing in the likes of Frampton while Ryder is managed, then make the call on their ruck situation at a later date.

Reckon Lycett would be clear number one at St Kilda
 

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If we lose Roughy, surely we try and keep BTC. Rather than bringing someone in who will need to learn the systems, why wouldn't we just try and keep someone who already knows how we play and is on bare basics coin wise. I'd imagine whichever of the two we end up with will be break glass in case of emergency anyway, so we'd be hoping not to use them anyway.
 

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If we lose Roughy, surely we try and keep BTC. Rather than bringing someone in who will need to learn the systems, why wouldn't we just try and keep someone who already knows how we play and is on bare basics coin wise. I'd imagine whichever of the two we end up with will be break glass in case of emergency anyway, so we'd be hoping not to use them anyway.
I can’t see it mate. So many chances to play Campbell and Bevo has just flat out refused. Add to that the rumours of us trying to push him out last year, he’s gone IMO regardless of what happens to Rough. Rough staying or going may only change our views on whether we find a ruckman from somewhere else that we see upside in, like Zac Clarke.
 

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I can’t see it mate. So many chances to play Campbell and Bevo has just flat out refused. Add to that the rumours of us trying to push him out last year, he’s gone IMO regardless of what happens to Rough. Rough staying or going may only change our views on whether we find a ruckman from somewhere else that we see upside in, like Zac Clarke.
Exactly this
 

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Hold fire on shiel. He’s a free agent in 12 months. No need to blow picks on him now.
Do you really want to get in a bidding war with Norf/Saint Kilda though? I'd rather go now if it saves us a bit of cap space. Dont need any more picks if we add Shiel and West to this list anyway. Itll be all about retention at that point.
 

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Even with Dunkley, McLean, Williams playing there are still games going to Jong, Roarke Smith, Honeychurch, Biggs this year.

Considering this club's potential for serious injury, there is still a huge requirement for actual AFL players to top off the team selected each week and provide quality depth.

Lowballing or letting go guaranteed commodities during a rebuild for the potential of higher ceilings elsewhere through the draft is how Brisbane and Carlton ended up in the shit they're in. That bottom tier of guys each week has stood out like a sore thumb for us this year. If Dahl and Wallis become that bottom tier, were a much better team.
Would completely agree with you if Dahl and Wallis were on Jong/Honeychurch type money. Then I'd be keeping them for sure.
 

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Do you really want to get in a bidding war with Norf/Saint Kilda though? I'd rather go now if it saves us a bit of cap space. Dont need any more picks if we add Shiel and West to this list anyway. Itll be all about retention at that point.
Regardless, you’ll find yourself in a bidding war anyway. I’d sooner get in a bidding war for Josh Kelly next year.
 

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Regardless, you’ll find yourself in a bidding war anyway. I’d sooner get in a bidding war for Josh Kelly next year.
Shiel for $900k a year at a cost of no picks, or Kelly for $1.2m a year at a cost of at least 2 first round picks??
 

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If we lose Roughy, surely we try and keep BTC. Rather than bringing someone in who will need to learn the systems, why wouldn't we just try and keep someone who already knows how we play and is on bare basics coin wise. I'd imagine whichever of the two we end up with will be break glass in case of emergency anyway, so we'd be hoping not to use them anyway.
Trengove, Boyd, English, Gowers, Dunkley and Jong already gives us six ruck options. Bitcoin will never play for us again.
 

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Shiel for $900k a year at a cost of no picks, or Kelly for $1.2m a year at a cost of at least 2 first round picks??
Yeah I can’t see us winning his signature for $900k but I take your point.

Think the money side will be similar. But I like the class of Kelly and he’s two years younger.

The sensible choice is Shiel. I’d be pretty pleased if next year we decided to not be very sensible.
 

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Shiel for $900k a year at a cost of no picks, or Kelly for $1.2m a year at a cost of at least 2 first round picks??
I think North will offer more for both. I don't think Kelly's coming to us, but I'd be all over Shiel if there was any chance he was gettable.
 
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