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It is if they end up like Cordy , we have to do the right thing by the club if we want success
Cordy was poorly assessed by our recruiters who should have passed on the first round selection that st kilda bid for him. Not his fault but our fault of persisting for far too long on the main list rather than using the rookie list.
 

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Cordy was poorly assessed by our recruiters who should have passed on the first round selection that st kilda bid for him. Not his fault but our fault of persisting for far too long on the main list rather than using the rookie list.
Wasn't there fault he was the best ruckman in the draft , just been on our list way too long
 

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You think walker gets us a flag?????
I think he could be a b grade forward that allows us to use some picks/players in a trade for other areas of need.

Going right now if there was a trade period this week I would trade Walker for Hunter and be quite comfortable with it. We just have so many of the Hunter type players on our list and at the moment Hunter isn't working hard enough to command a best 22 spot. We already have 7 young mids who have proven more than him including Libba, Macrae, Wallis, Bonts, Dahl, Jong, Hrovat and Hunter doesn't exactly command a small forward role when his defensive work isn't in the same ballpark as Honey. Dickson is the more effective goal scorer and Dahlhaus is easily a better mid and half forward than Hunter. When McLean and Dale get some more games in the VFL and start reguarly being in the bests they will both put massive pressure on Hunter.

Crunch time for Lachie, we have plenty of talented small utilities. He needs to get back into this best 22 and deliver regular strong performances this season. I always thought we may need to balance our list up with trading a small so he needs to take his opportunity.
 

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You think walker gets us a flag?????
You think Hunter does...?

Hunter may well be a special talent. May. He's done some flashy things, but a lot of nothing as well. He also seems to have attitude problems leading to his own team mates suspending him from the club. Yeah he may be the next Stevie Johnson. Or he may just be an over privileged big head who is not going to kick on. At present Hunter isn't even best 22, with Boyd, Libba and Bont out, so make that best 25.

Josh Walker seems a good player in the making who fits our needs. Hawkins and Clarke are keeping him out. Walker has proven finals form. Hunter has never played a final.

If the Dogs decided to trade Hunter for Walker (and who knows may be some balancing picks our way) I wouldn't be fussed.

And I hope we have learnt from the Acye experience that hanging on to father sons too long, is well, highly fraught.
 

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Hunter is one of the younger players who has class, he's a poor kick for goal but very good kick around the ground. I would be stunned if he doesn't end up a good player I'm much more confident in Hunter than I am in Honeychurch.


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I've decided to start listening to podcasts while I exercise. I've subscribed to Triple M's The Rub and I'm glad I did. I want to draw your attention to a segment called 'Tell me something I don't know'

Wayne Carey for his bit, said he'd spoken to Dodoro and McConville, manager of Carlisle and said that he would 'guarantee' Carlisle will stay at the Bombers. I'm not doubting Fronk's mail, just find it very interesting, especially how emphatic he was about it.

This next but isn't trade related but I'm putting it here anyway. Jay Clark then stepped up and talked about David Stevenson. Said we were close to announcing a big scalp to join our football department to join, Jay's quote - David Lowe and Ben Graham. BT said David and Jay said exactly so a bit more research needed by Jay there but he suggested an announcement to be made in the next fortnight or so.
Interesting timing for that Kelvin Templeton article a few days ago.
If we could get him back in some capacity, even a part time mentoring role that would be huge.
 

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I'm not against trading one of our young mids for the right piece. I'm a massive U.S. Sports fan and I actually think, in general, as a fan base, we're way too conservative with our views on trading.

But I do think hunter is being seriously undervalued here. Walkers 2 years older. If hunters not a better afl footballer than walker in 2 years time, I'll.........well I don't know what I'll do. But I'll start by being very very surprised.

See how quick Two Planks was to find the deal very very amenable to Geelong????
Don't worry. Before long Hunter will be showcasing his talent in the 1's & Walker will be relegated to the reserves, and a 3rd round pick for Walker will seem fair and Hunter will be untouchable...
 

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I do want walker but as others have said he is worth a third rounder. Hunter has been given a wake up call, if he takes it and gets to work, then is worth more than walker.
 

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Hunter is one of the younger players who has class, he's a poor kick for goal but very good kick around the ground. I would be stunned if he doesn't end up a good player I'm much more confident in Hunter than I am in Honeychurch.


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Agreed. Hunter has something special - you can see it in the unique way he moves around and plays. He's a talent that, if properly nurtured, can be a 250 gamer IMO.
 

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OK, not a FA - is he at least OOC next year? If so, the old 'nominated club' bizzo gives us some leverage.

I have no problem giving up high draft picks for proven quality players. Let us reunite Cram and Carlisle.
Our problem as I see it is....The dilemma that to get a mature of the quality we need, we most likely would have to give up at least our first round pick, plus a quality young player, most likely one we can ill afford to lose. Sorry, but I just don't see any point at all in shuffling deck chairs.
Then to continue improving our list we need kids of the quality you can only reasonably expect to pick up in the first round. We need to keep bringing in more potential 'A' grade youngsters for a couple more seasons. Though it occasionally happens, you can't 'expect' you will be able to get elite kids in round 2-3 and beyond.
If we could get a WHE, or a Carlisle for just our first pick, that might be ok as they are as young as much of our list. But beyond that I would keep our first picks for the next couple of seasons safely in the bank.

At last draft Dal picked up some kids that would appear to have some real potential, but it is a little unreasonable to expect him to be able to pick up potential 'A' graders with 3rd or 4th round picks. And we are simply not yet close enough to justify bringing in a load of mature fringe players, unless they come seriously cheap, or for free.
 
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What do you see as his deficiencies Dannnnnn ...?
In general play, his kicking is below average - he misses targets and picks incorrect ones. Under pressure his ball use drops off even further. Even at VFL level he is a scrappy user of the ball and as a player whose greatest attributes are commonly referred to as being "skill and class" it's not really a glowing endorsement. In addition he very much struggles to keep his head in the game. Early days we believed that this was due to endurance, but now that he has a nice tank it's still happening. He'll bob up and look threatening for five minutes then go unsighted for the rest of the match. Low impact + inconsistency is not a good combination.

However my biggest concern is just what role he plays at AFL level. As a forward he doesn't provide enough of a target; aside from the odd screamer or crumb he's not getting to the right spots as a small and he's not presenting well or often enough to have an impact playing taller. He's a dreadful set shot, he applies very minimal pressure and too often lets his man run off him. As a result of these things he's not excelling offensively (ie. he's not a consistent goal scoring threat), nor is he excelling defensively (he's not contributing to locking the ball in). On the wings he struggles with his disposal by foot, doesn't offer much speed, doesn't apply pressure and doesn't accumulate heavily; as a result he is again a low impact player. He hasn't proven that he's capable of stepping inside the contest aside from as a pinch-hitter and doesn't win the ball often, nor is he an imposing figure in close.

In my opinion, in order to excel Hunter needs to become more relevant inside the contest; he needs to be winning 50-60 odd percent of his disposals contested and using his dangerous handballs to open up the ground and clear the pressure zones. He also needs to up his work rate to be capable of (a) pressuring constantly; and (b) pushing up and down the field heavily to impact in all areas of the ground. We want him delivering the ball inside 50 but that can't be his only trick. At present it pretty much is at AFL level.

He does have strengths, though; I'm not biased to the point where I can't see any - he can run all day, has great entries inside 50, uses excellent attacking handballs, has a very creative footy brain, excellent vertical leap, pretty good aerial judgement, reads the game extremely well, excels at opening the ground up, can kick goals from the midfield, is very agile, etc. He's talented - not denying that.

Don't get me wrong - Hunter is extremely talented and obviously still very young; he certainly does have the ability to develop into a superb player. As such I would very much prefer to keep him. That said - I don't think we can be afraid of moving a player if the right deal presents (and they're happy with it, obviously). As it stands he's not in our best team even with injuries to Wood, Boyd, Bont etc, and I struggle to see him becoming a permanent fixture as we attempt to add more outside speed and genuine skill. My only point is that he's one of very few that, in my mind, could have OK value in a trade without hurting us too much - BUT the deal would have to be right. I'm not looking to ship him out for whatever we can get.
 

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I agree with everyone's view here, which leaves me in a predicament. My view is that we can't trade anyone until October, and I would hope that we would see a lot of Hunter between now and then, which will give us all a better chance to gauge his worth in the the side. Does he offer things we don't have? Is he best 22? What's his best position? If we get to October and we don't have answers to these, or we don't think he presents as best 22, we can move him on, providing there's an opportunity to secure someone who will serve us better moving forward. Moving out a talented player "just because" is fraught with danger.
 

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It's only round three, I think by the end of the year a lot of people will see a place for Hunter in the team.

I see him as playing hf/mid, especially if we keep Dahl in the midfield when Libba comes back. I reckon he'll be one of these players where it will all just 'click' one day, much like Stevie J.
 

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I agree with everyone's view here, which leaves me in a predicament. My view is that we can't trade anyone until October, and I would hope that we would see a lot of Hunter between now and then, which will give us all a better chance to gauge his worth in the the side. Does he offer things we don't have? Is he best 22? What's his best position? If we get to October and we don't have answers to these, or we don't think he presents as best 22, we can move him on, providing there's an opportunity to secure someone who will serve us better moving forward. Moving out a talented player "just because" is fraught with danger.
Agree, first step - get a game. Maybe even turn up to training on time..
 
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