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Ha Libba and Bennel similar. Now I've heard it all.
Bennel has continually broke team rules, has been caught several times with drugs including sensationally on the front page of the Herald Scum, and has been ill-disciplined at training and during games.
Libba was caught with a pill once, had a bit too much at an end of season b & f, and missed a couple of meetings during an extended period off because of injury. Not a good look for Tom but he's been outstanding in his preseason work every year, does what the coach asks him on-field and has never missed or turned up worse for wear at a training session. He and Harley are nothing alike.
Two talented young players who like to take recreational drugs - of course they are similar, its just a matter of degree.

I would take Bennel for the right price - a change of environment couldnt hurt - out of his comfort zone and new teammates to win over. We are ahead of the Suns with our team first stuff. Talented players have been known to pull their head in and go on to have great careers.
 

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Two talented young players who like to take recreational drugs - of course they are similar, its just a matter of degree.

I would take Bennel for the right price - a change of environment couldnt hurt - out of his comfort zone and new teammates to win over. We are ahead of the Suns with our team first stuff. Talented players have been known to pull their head in and go on to have great careers.
In the same way a Tiger and a house cat are similar.
 

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Two talented young players who like to take recreational drugs - of course they are similar, its just a matter of degree.
The league is genuinely full of recreational drug takers - not just the younger guys either. And to be honest, many of them are very successful players, they just don't get caught out and face the public scrutiny that damages their personal and professional livelihoods
 

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The league is genuinely full of recreational drug takers - not just the younger guys either. And to be honest, many of them are very successful players, they just don't get caught out and face the public scrutiny that damages their personal and professional livelihoods
Yeah, of course. Libba was found passed out in the middle of the street on E. I guess hes smart enough not to let that happen again. Bennell managed to get a photo of himself doing lines leaked. Much of a muchness, but Bennel needs to really fly under the radar and improve his onfield consistency.
 

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Yeah, of course. Libba was found passed out in the middle of the street on E. I guess hes smart enough not to let that happen again. Bennell managed to get a photo of himself doing lines leaked. Much of a muchness, but Bennel needs to really fly under the radar and improve his onfield consistency.
on E, didn't he have one in his pocket?
Anyhow
 

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My mate works in a shop In Geelong and is a social club member.He told me 2 weeks ago we had put a huge offer to Blicavs.I don't think he was lying and it is interesting why he has not put pen to paper.All the ruckmen that have been mentioned I don't think bev would b interested in any of them.
Well I hope your mate is right, because Blicavs is a gun :)

Plot twist: you and topdog have never met each other in real life, but you're both getting info from the same guy :p
 

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on E, didn't he have one in his pocket?
Anyhow
Mate if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

We don't know enough about Bennell or Libba to say one or another. We don't know if Libba has a raging habit, just like we don't know if Bennell does.

We do know Libba hasn't got the same public history of disciplinary lapses as Bennell, and for that reason I hope we stay away from him.
 

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Mate if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

We don't know enough about Bennell or Libba to say one or another. We don't know if Libba has a raging habit, just like we don't know if Bennell does.

We do know Libba hasn't got the same public history of disciplinary lapses as Bennell, and for that reason I hope we stay away from him.
I am just saying what I remember reading, I think its unfair and disrespectful to say he for sure was on ecstasy. But hey, that's just my opinion.
 

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My opinion on Talia is well known, but consider:

We have poor KPD stocks. We have a ex-back who's more suited to ruck/forward/utility (Roughead), and two players who are inexperienced and no guarantee to make it.

Surely we need to do everything to keep the bloke who's shown better peak performance than any other key defender on our list?

Talia isn't going to go on the scrapheap should we trade him. Other teams would genuinely offer him a three year deal - teams that need him less than we do. Teams with better KPD stocks than us.

Are people saying he's gone because they want him gone, because they don't rate him as a player, or are they saying he's gone because they believe he hasn't signed yet, he must be gone, or do people say he's gone because they reckon other clubs rate him more than we do, or are chasing him because of their KPD needs?

All three points are foolish. Your opinion of a player isn't perfect, and like I've posted many times, Talia's a much better player than this board gives him credit. Not only has he shown, before he's played 50 games as a key defender, he's up to the level? Alex Rance's first 50 games anyone? How about the fact he hasn't signed yet? Maybe he just has a hardball manager. There was an article in the paper after his good run of form earlier in the year suggesting his manager was demanding 400-500k, an absurd amount. His manager seems to be the hardball type. And if other clubs rate him more than we do, like I stated above, that's ridiculous. We probably have more of a need to keep KPDs than other clubs. Hamling and Roberts are no guarantee, both are young and inexperienced. Don't get me wrong, the optimist in me thinks that Roberts has the potential to be an A-grader and Hamling a solid role player, but be realisic. We have no established KPD's yet people actively are saying we should get rid of the only one we have who's reasonably experienced and shown he can play at this level.
 

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I am just saying what I remember reading, I think its unfair and disrespectful to say he for sure was on ecstasy. But hey, that's just my opinion.
Just my opinion but I think you are being very generous to Libba. At best he was in possession of an illicit substance and publicly intoxicated.

And do you think it was unfair that the club suspended him if he'd done nothing wrong?
 

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I am just saying what I remember reading, I think its unfair and disrespectful to say he for sure was on ecstasy. But hey, that's just my opinion.
My experience with people on E is they are rarely passed out and rarely have any left in their pockets.
Mate if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

We don't know enough about Bennell or Libba to say one or another. We don't know if Libba has a raging habit, just like we don't know if Bennell does.

We do know Libba hasn't got the same public history of disciplinary lapses as Bennell, and for that reason I hope we stay away from him.
Exactly, Bennell was described by the head coach as having a rockstar attitude.
Libba was described by our head coach as a leader, brother and fantastic teammate.

Are people really that dense? Read between the lines (pun intended ).
 

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Just my opinion but I think you are being very generous to Libba. At best he was in possession of an illicit substance and publicly intoxicated.

And do you think it was unfair that the club suspended him if he'd done nothing wrong?
do I think it was unfair of what the club did, I don't think that's relevant to the point I was trying to make

Possession and intoxicated, doesn't necessarily mean he was also under the influence of drugs. I think its unfair to assume that he was, just because he was in possession of ecstasy
 

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My opinion on Talia is well known, but consider:

We have poor KPD stocks. We have a ex-back who's more suited to ruck/forward/utility (Roughead), and two players who are inexperienced and no guarantee to make it.

Surely we need to do everything to keep the bloke who's shown better peak performance than any other key defender on our list?

Talia isn't going to go on the scrapheap should we trade him. Other teams would genuinely offer him a three year deal - teams that need him less than we do. Teams with better KPD stocks than us.

Are people saying he's gone because they want him gone, because they don't rate him as a player, or are they saying he's gone because they believe he hasn't signed yet, he must be gone, or do people say he's gone because they reckon other clubs rate him more than we do, or are chasing him because of their KPD needs?

All three points are foolish. Your opinion of a player isn't perfect, and like I've posted many times, Talia's a much better player than this board gives him credit. Not only has he shown, before he's played 50 games as a key defender, he's up to the level? Alex Rance's first 50 games anyone? How about the fact he hasn't signed yet? Maybe he just has a hardball manager. There was an article in the paper after his good run of form earlier in the year suggesting his manager was demanding 400-500k, an absurd amount. His manager seems to be the hardball type. And if other clubs rate him more than we do, like I stated above, that's ridiculous. We probably have more of a need to keep KPDs than other clubs. Hamling and Roberts are no guarantee, both are young and inexperienced. Don't get me wrong, the optimist in me thinks that Roberts has the potential to be an A-grader and Hamling a solid role player, but be realisic. We have no established KPD's yet people actively are saying we should get rid of the only one we have who's reasonably experienced and shown he can play at this level.
Love reading your different opinions but please don't call my and other opinions foolish because we don't agree with you.

FWIW I agree we should keep Talia but that's not because I rate him, it's because we have no-one else.

And he may well leave because he remains unsigned and because it appears the club doesn't have him as first choice. I wish him well whatever he decides and of course I hope you are right about Talia, but I don't think you are, and there are very good reasons for this which we debated many times.
 

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My opinion on Talia is well known, but consider:

We have poor KPD stocks. We have a ex-back who's more suited to ruck/forward/utility (Roughead), and two players who are inexperienced and no guarantee to make it.

Surely we need to do everything to keep the bloke who's shown better peak performance than any other key defender on our list?

Talia isn't going to go on the scrapheap should we trade him. Other teams would genuinely offer him a three year deal - teams that need him less than we do. Teams with better KPD stocks than us.

Are people saying he's gone because they want him gone, because they don't rate him as a player, or are they saying he's gone because they believe he hasn't signed yet, he must be gone, or do people say he's gone because they reckon other clubs rate him more than we do, or are chasing him because of their KPD needs?

All three points are foolish. Your opinion of a player isn't perfect, and like I've posted many times, Talia's a much better player than this board gives him credit. Not only has he shown, before he's played 50 games as a key defender, he's up to the level? Alex Rance's first 50 games anyone? How about the fact he hasn't signed yet? Maybe he just has a hardball manager. There was an article in the paper after his good run of form earlier in the year suggesting his manager was demanding 400-500k, an absurd amount. His manager seems to be the hardball type. And if other clubs rate him more than we do, like I stated above, that's ridiculous. We probably have more of a need to keep KPDs than other clubs. Hamling and Roberts are no guarantee, both are young and inexperienced. Don't get me wrong, the optimist in me thinks that Roberts has the potential to be an A-grader and Hamling a solid role player, but be realisic. We have no established KPD's yet people actively are saying we should get rid of the only one we have who's reasonably experienced and shown he can play at this level.
Well said 3NP [apart from the mean comment about foolish points :p]
 

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Wonder whether Rory Thompson is the mystery big man. Roughie, Boyd and Thompson as a 200cm, ruck, forward and back trio.

Strange that Thompson's name hasn't come up much in the media given he hasn't re-signed yet.
2013: Dogs linked to Patton for ages, doesn't happen but Dogs get Patton's teammate Boyd in 2014 after no reported interest previous until Boyd requested a trade request.

2014: Dogs go after May, he rejects us. In 2015, May's teammate Thompson remains unsigned and the Dogs have publicly said they're not after Kreuzer and Carlisle.

Hhhhhmmmmmm........
 

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2013: Dogs linked to Patton for ages, doesn't happen but Dogs get Patton's teammate Boyd in 2014 after no reported interest previous until Boyd requested a trade request.

2014: Dogs go after May, he rejects us. In 2015, May's teammate Thompson remains unsigned and the Dogs have publicly said they're not after Kreuzer and Carlisle.

Hhhhhmmmmmm........
And we had talent scouts at every Boyd game last year - AFL or NEAFL.

Anyone been watching our scouts?
 

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Ok, GC Board from looking at a page or two, they think they'll lose McKenzie and Smith also, Smith's not really a surprise while McKenzie is surplus.

They said Rockets after a 3rd forward and a medium defender, they reckon they're after Baguley and Baguley is not happy at Essendon at all like Meltsham, so they could be onto something there plus Baguley is an excellent lockdown small/medium type, something Gold Coast doesn't really have as they're all rebounders in Malceski, Kolodjashnij, Harbrow, Shaw, Saad etc.

If they're after a 3rd forward, would they be after Jarrad Grant or Jeremy Howe as they're the only two players of that description IIRC that are out of contract, maybe they'd trade for Aaron Black as he's on the outer at Norf but still in contract, Hhmmmm, got a feeling GC will be the biggest player at the trade table this year, not Carlton
 

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My opinion on Talia is well known, but consider:

We have poor KPD stocks. We have a ex-back who's more suited to ruck/forward/utility (Roughead), and two players who are inexperienced and no guarantee to make it.

Surely we need to do everything to keep the bloke who's shown better peak performance than any other key defender on our list?

Talia isn't going to go on the scrapheap should we trade him. Other teams would genuinely offer him a three year deal - teams that need him less than we do. Teams with better KPD stocks than us.

Are people saying he's gone because they want him gone, because they don't rate him as a player, or are they saying he's gone because they believe he hasn't signed yet, he must be gone, or do people say he's gone because they reckon other clubs rate him more than we do, or are chasing him because of their KPD needs?

All three points are foolish. Your opinion of a player isn't perfect, and like I've posted many times, Talia's a much better player than this board gives him credit. Not only has he shown, before he's played 50 games as a key defender, he's up to the level? Alex Rance's first 50 games anyone? How about the fact he hasn't signed yet? Maybe he just has a hardball manager. There was an article in the paper after his good run of form earlier in the year suggesting his manager was demanding 400-500k, an absurd amount. His manager seems to be the hardball type. And if other clubs rate him more than we do, like I stated above, that's ridiculous. We probably have more of a need to keep KPDs than other clubs. Hamling and Roberts are no guarantee, both are young and inexperienced. Don't get me wrong, the optimist in me thinks that Roberts has the potential to be an A-grader and Hamling a solid role player, but be realisic. We have no established KPD's yet people actively are saying we should get rid of the only one we have who's reasonably experienced and shown he can play at this level.
I think Talia may be in trouble for the same reason that Minson & even possibly Campbell are.

It's not that we don't need players who play their position, and it's not that they are not AFL standard players, it's just that they are not the STYLE of player Bev wants in that position.

All 3 may move club and have great seasons elsewhere, but I have no problem with this if Bev is convinced they can not play the role he requires. In fact if that is the case we owe it to those players to move them on.
 

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Ok, GC Board from looking at a page or two, they think they'll lose McKenzie and Smith also, Smith's not really a surprise while McKenzie is surplus.

They said Rockets after a 3rd forward and a medium defender, they reckon they're after Baguley and Baguley is not happy at Essendon at all like Meltsham, so they could be onto something there plus Baguley is an excellent lockdown small/medium type, something Gold Coast doesn't really have as they're all rebounders in Malceski, Kolodjashnij, Harbrow, Shaw, Saad etc.

If they're after a 3rd forward, would they be after Jarrad Grant or Jeremy Howe as they're the only two players of that description IIRC that are out of contract, maybe they'd trade for Aaron Black as he's on the outer at Norf but still in contract, Hhmmmm, got a feeling GC will be the biggest player at the trade table this year, not Carlton
They're really shooting for the stars with those players....
 

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Dodo I think it was unfair of what the club did, I don't think that's relevant to the point I was trying to make

Possession and intoxicated, doesn't necessarily mean he was also under the influence of drugs. I think its unfair to assume that he was, just because he was in possession of ecstasy
How do you even see through those rose coloured glasses?
 
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