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I don't know that we'd necessarily be "absolutely stupid":

- Poor character is blatantly obvious
- A potential WADA ban looming ominously
- The rumour that has spread through this board (if it's false, then obviously it's irrelevant. If not, he should not be pursued)
- Essendon are terrible to deal with at the trade table
- He apparently wants a fairly long contract (4-5 years) worth around 500k a year (correct me if this is wrong) - that seems excessive for a bloke whose bargaining power rests almost entirely on his form from the first half of 2013. The rest of his bargaining power is merely flashes of brilliance across two years, showing both his brilliant natural ability but also his inconsistency, lack of noteworthy versatility and poor attitude

It's worth looking at, but I'd only sign him on our terms, not on terms forced upon us by his management or Essendon. He's not worth overpaying for in my opinion


Not sure what planet you are on mate but quality key position swingman don't fall off trees. By rates he's entitled to do what he likes. Wada or no wada. Former supporter of the club why wouldn't we look at bringing a kid that grew up with Libba and Mitch Wallis? Just curious
 

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Not sure what planet you are on mate but quality key position swingman don't fall off trees. By rates he's entitled to do what he likes. Wada or no wada. Former supporter of the club why wouldn't we look at bringing a kid that grew up with Libba and Mitch Wallis? Just curious
There's at least one good reason which you yourself posted twice.
 

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It's not a matter of whether we want Carlisle anymore, we need him now. Well, him or Haynes and I know which will be easier to get. I'd much prefer Haynes as he isn't a douchenozzle with ears but Carlisle can play, so maybe I can shirk the no-dickheads rule just this once.
 

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Id love hickey. Reckon he had some really good games as a mobile ruckman.
But I think this would have come out by now.

If the rumours are fact that we have a number 1 ruck locked away then I can only guess its from a teams still playing finals.
hawks rucks are too old, Nicnat aint going anywhere and neither is goldy, that leaves freos ruck division.

So I can only guess it may be a mobile ruck like a zac clarke or something.
Hickeys game against GWS last season was enormous

He was absolutely everywhere that game, think it was round 3 IIRC, only issue is he's injury prone also, he broke down the next week, but he played forward a lot more this season and played a few more games than normal.
 

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I don't know that we'd necessarily be "absolutely stupid":

- Poor character is blatantly obvious
- A potential WADA ban looming ominously
- The rumour that has spread through this board (if it's false, then obviously it's irrelevant. If not, he should not be pursued)
- Essendon are terrible to deal with at the trade table
- He apparently wants a fairly long contract (4-5 years) worth around 500k a year (correct me if this is wrong) - that seems excessive for a bloke whose bargaining power rests almost entirely on his form from the first half of 2013. The rest of his bargaining power is merely flashes of brilliance across two years, showing both his brilliant natural ability but also his inconsistency, lack of noteworthy versatility and poor attitude

It's worth looking at, but I'd only sign him on our terms, not on terms forced upon us by his management or Essendon. He's not worth overpaying for in my opinion
My wife often comments about how boring Footy is before going back to her facebook gossip and soap operas.

If only she knew.
 

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Which post are you referring to?
Sorry, it's on this thread

Just about my first post for the year but as usual, a consistent and devoted reader through out 2015.

As most of you know I only ever post with strong opinions or inside knowledge which is not too sensitive to release. I do struggle at times to find the balance of what to divulge and what to keep close similarly to some other posters on here.

Straight to it -

- Jake Carlisle will not be playing at us next year. For whatever messed up reason he wants to and will land up at Carlton. Good luck to him - disaster avoided as far as I'm concerned. It's done.

- Michael Talia - what a disgrace. it makes me sick. He will still land up at the crows even after today's events. Without sounding too much like Caro, my sources tell me he has pulled a real dirty on us and released some pretty critical bits of info. Betts swooping out the back like a pigeon in the first quarter constantly had insiders absolutely baffled. If evidence can be found get set for a serious shit storm. Gordon will be seriously fiery.

- I am still hearing that as Stevo alluded to, a reasonably high profile ruck has been locked up. Ala Boyd and Mcevoy, sometimes names pop up out of no where. I am not entirely sure who it is, but I heard a few names, a couple that may surprise no doubt. No - sadly Nic Nat is not one of them.

- High pick rumour - I have not been able to gain any real info on this one so would love to hear more if fronkalicious was happy to reach out privately.

- Lastly, but not least. Hunter is not going anywhere.
 

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Not sure what planet you are on mate but quality key position swingman don't fall off trees. By rates he's entitled to do what he likes. Wada or no wada. Former supporter of the club why wouldn't we look at bringing a kid that grew up with Libba and Mitch Wallis? Just curious
Firstly, I would not call Carlisle a "quality key position swingman" - unless of course, the quality to which you refer is "mediocre". He's shown great ability as a defender, but only patches of good form as a forward. Moreover, he has quite clearly made it clear that he does not want to spend time in the forward line - hardly a promising trait for a so called "swingman"

I'm not sure what you mean with "by rates he's entitled to do what he likes". If you mean he can ask for any contract he would like to, then yes, I agree, he can do that. And if he asks for an unreasonable contract, we can tell him to go and play for Carlton or take the offer we deem him worthy of receiving

"wada or no wada" - what does this mean? Are you suggesting it is irrelevant that he is in the midst of an investigation that could land him with a ban as long as two years? I don't want to put words into your mouth but that is genuinely what it sounds like you are saying, which, quite frankly, is ludicrous

On him being a former supporter of the club who grew up with Libba and Wallis (didn't know that, there ya go), I would say the reasons why I might be hesitant to recruit him are those which I listed above in the post that you quoted...

I never said 'don't get him', I said get him if we believe we are getting him for what he is worth and the rumour about him is false
 
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Firstly, I would not call Carlisle a "quality key position swingman" - unless of course, the quality to which you refer is "mediocre". He's shown great ability as a defender, but only patches of good form as a forward. Moreover, he has quite clearly made it clear that he does not want to spend time in the forward line - hardly a promising trait for a so called "swingman"

I'm not sure what you mean with "by rates he's entitled to do what he likes". If you mean he can ask for any contract he would like to, then yes, I agree, he can do that. And if he asks for an unreasonable contract, we can tell him to go and play for Carlton or take the offer we deem him worthy of receiving

"wada or no wada" - what does this mean? Are you suggesting it is irrelevant that he is in the midst of an investigation that could land him with a ban as long as two years? I don't want to put words into your mouth but that is genuinely what it sounds like you are saying, which, quite frankly, is ludicrous

On him being a former supporter of the club who grew up with Libba and Wallis (didn't know that, there ya go), I would say the reasons why I might be hesitant to recruit him are those which I listed above in the post that you quoted...

I never said 'don't get him', I said get him if we believe we are getting him for what he is worth and the rumour about him is false



Ok mate....loved the way you broke it down for me.

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Boys the Carlisle rumours are still relevant. Caro, Robbo and I have worked out the story. My story is right, Fronk's is right and Mattdougie's is right, but there needs a serious amount of maneuvering to get Jake in, but that maneuvering, I have to believe, is being done (although I can't prove it :(). I don't have the confidence of others that it'll be done, but the stories all make sense and if you ever hear them, you'll understand; it makes sense.

I've said all along he's exactly what we need, but I was told categorically he wasn't coming, so I need to maintain that. I've worked out Dally wasn't lying, but things may change in the near future that means his introduction may be workable. It's not simple, but it's a chance.

I have no reason to lie, if I was going to lie, it'd be about him coming the whole time, not the other way around.

I appreciate I'm talking in riddles a bit, but it has to be that way.

My bet, until he signs, is still no, but I, more than anyone, would be the happiest person here if he joined. Jake on field is the more perfect fit out there. I hope he comes and I hope Fronk is right.

Go Dogs.
 
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Boys the Carlisle rumours are still relevant. Caro, Robbo and I have worked out the story. My story is right, Fronk's is right and Mattdougie's is right, but there needs a serious amount of maneuvering to get Jake in, but that maneuvering, I have to believe, is being done (although I can't prove it :(). I don't have the confidence of others that it'll be done, but the stories all make sense and if you ever hear them, you'll understand; it makes sense.

I've said all along he's exactly what we need, but I was told categorically he wasn't coming, so I need to maintain that. I've worked out Dally wasn't lying, but things may change in the near future that means his introduction may be workable. It's not simple, but it's a chance.

I have no reason to lie, if I was going to lie, it's be about him coming the whole time, not the other way around.

I appreciate I'm talking in riddles a bit, but it has to be that way.

My bet, until he signs, is still no, but I, more than anyone, would be the happiest person here if he joined. Jake on field is the more perfect fit out there. I hope he comes and I hope Fronk is right.

Go Dogs.
Nobody reckons you've been lying Pann. Really appreciate all the info. For what it's worth, I can see how all the seemingly contradictory info can actually fit together. Complicated though.
 

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Nobody reckons you've been lying Pann. Really appreciate all the info. For what it's worth, I can see how all the seemingly contradictory info can actually fit together. Complicated though.
I do. But not about Carlisle or the little bird's information.
I have it on good authority that Pannalstaroz is not his real name.
 

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I do. But not about Carlisle or the little bird's information.
I have it on good authority that Pannalstaroz is not his real name.
glory be you Immortal, my parents hated me. I've carried the stigma of having a strange name my entire life and you're now just fueling the fire.

Pannalstaroz Humperdink is my name, and I'm proud of it.
 

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Iv always heard the term, Key Possition players dont grow on trees.

However If we can pick up Carsile that would make it 2 in 2 off seasons and anyone who is doubting Carlsiles ability or anything. Look back to him in his hay days before the supplement scandles. He was absolutely untouchable. Mark my words both will go on tobe All Australian.
 

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Boys the Carlisle rumours are still relevant. Caro, Robbo and I have worked out the story. My story is right, Fronk's is right and Mattdougie's is right, but there needs a serious amount of maneuvering to get Jake in, but that maneuvering, I have to believe, is being done (although I can't prove it :(). I don't have the confidence of others that it'll be done, but the stories all make sense and if you ever hear them, you'll understand; it makes sense.

I've said all along he's exactly what we need, but I was told categorically he wasn't coming, so I need to maintain that. I've worked out Dally wasn't lying, but things may change in the near future that means his introduction may be workable. It's not simple, but it's a chance.

I have no reason to lie, if I was going to lie, it'd be about him coming the whole time, not the other way around.

I appreciate I'm talking in riddles a bit, but it has to be that way.

My bet, until he signs, is still no, but I, more than anyone, would be the happiest person here if he joined. Jake on field is the more perfect fit out there. I hope he comes and I hope Fronk is right.

Go Dogs.
Are you thinking the original negative rumours regarding Carlisle's character may have been wrong or at least exaggerated?

He is a great fit as a player but not at any cost (ie if he's an arse).

btw I don't think anyone thinks you've been lying. We all appreciate your info and views.
 

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Are you thinking the original negative rumours regarding Carlisle's character may have been wrong or at least exaggerated?

He is a great fit as a player but not at any cost (ie if he's an arse).

btw I don't think anyone thinks you've been lying. We all appreciate your info and views.
Neither, but there's a card to fall which makes everything easier. If that doesn't happen, he's a million to one to come, if it does, he's a better chance - but not over the line IMO. I hate talking in riddles, but I'm not going to be the one who goes with it on a public forum, sorry.
 
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