Strategy Trade and List Management thread 2.(...the waiting for the hammer to fall edition)

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I'd ban players from going overseas during trade week. You never know what deal might pop up.

Port would be absolutely flogging themselves that the Lobbe deal wasn't done last year due to him being out of reach. Bush league.
I'm sure the AFLPA probably wouldn't agree with you. Cameron would laugh at the option of being traded anyway.

Yeah Ports contracts haven't been good ones of late.
 

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I'd ban players from going overseas during trade week. You never know what deal might pop up.

Port would be absolutely flogging themselves that the Lobbe deal wasn't done last year due to him being out of reach. Bush league.
There's no way they can restrict that. It's part of the CBA, players get a set amount of annual leave following their club's last game. You can't then place restrictions on that in the unlikely scenario that a club wants to trade you out.
 

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I'm sure the AFLPA probably wouldn't agree with you. Cameron would laugh at the option of being traded anyway.

Yeah Ports contracts haven't been good ones of late.
Players have way too much power at the moment. The AFLPA act as if the clubs are there to service the players when it's actually the other way around. A balance needs to be struck.

Contracted players nominating destination clubs is screwed. Player (and player manager) greed will eventually see the scales tip the other way ala US sports where clubs are able to ship players off for the best deal.
 

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Did I read the cats are going to wait till next year for Deledio?? Hope we are keeping tabs on this situation.

Even though he's old I'd be all over him. 40 games from Deledio goes a long way to another flag. Don't expect that to be popular on here, though.
 

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There's no way they can restrict that. It's part of the CBA, players get a set amount of annual leave following their club's last game. You can't then place restrictions on that in the unlikely scenario that a club wants to trade you out.
Of course it'll never happen. But hopefully clubs will be able to ship off contracted players without their consent. Players are holding clubs over a barrel, why can't clubs do it?

Not being able to nail a crucial trade because a bloke is kayaking down the Mekong Delta is just amateurish.
 

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Of course it'll never happen. But hopefully clubs will be able to ship off contracted players without their consent. Players are holding clubs over a barrel, why can't clubs do it?

Not being able to nail a crucial trade because a bloke is kayaking down the Mekong Delta is just amateurish.
Because the AFLPA has, unfortunately, been given too many bites of the cherry.
 

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Did I read the cats are going to wait till next year for Deledio?? Hope we are keeping tabs on this situation.

Even though he's old I'd be all over him. 40 games from Deledio goes a long way to another flag. Don't expect that to be popular on here, though.
Now that we have a flag we can take some list risks to make us better IMO.

And if he was fit I'd almost do P18 for Lids. Almost.

Not a fan of how he presents as a bloke but gun skills.
 

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Cooney's summation of Motlop in the H-Sun this morning was spot on.

Oh, and genuine question. When has the delist and re-rookie move ever really worked?? Shouldn't we just cut Prudden altogether?
My take on Prudden.

I doubt he has any suitors.

Delist him with the agreement that he plays with Footscray. Based on some agreed KPIs, if he hits them, he gets picked up in the 2017 draft.
 

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Cooney's summation of Motlop in the H-Sun this morning was spot on.

Oh, and genuine question. When has the delist and re-rookie move ever really worked?? Shouldn't we just cut Prudden altogether?
Neville Jetta is probably a rare example. More often than not when moving from the main list a player lasts 1 more year on the rookie list and is then gone.
 

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Of course it'll never happen. But hopefully clubs will be able to ship off contracted players without their consent. Players are holding clubs over a barrel, why can't clubs do it?

Not being able to nail a crucial trade because a bloke is kayaking down the Mekong Delta is just amateurish.
Easy way to introduce that is also allowing no trade clauses to be provided with contracts to provide some protection to players on longer deals that have shown faith in their clubs.

Contracts should also be traded with the players and trades should also come within a certain percentage of matching the salaries otherwise the trade is not allowed.

Right now it's the Wild West and player agents are having a field day.

It's ridiculous.
 

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Cooney's summation of Motlop in the H-Sun this morning was spot on.

Oh, and genuine question. When has the delist and re-rookie move ever really worked?? Shouldn't we just cut Prudden altogether?
We've made a lot of things work that aren't supposed to during the past two years.

I'm led to believe that we have given some sort of undertaking to Prudden...this comes from another club that, believe it or not, have been scouting him for years. I suspect we will end up rookie listing Josh unless another club picks him up.
 

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Now that we have a flag we can take some list risks to make us better IMO.

And if he was fit I'd almost do P18 for Lids. Almost.

Not a fan of how he presents as a bloke but gun skills.
I think we are in the very fortunate situation where we can top up with a Deledio and it has really no effect on our list in a few years. We have the core of our teams set up for a hopefully long period of sustained success. I don't think anyone else has this but GWS.

Deledio comes in, plays 3-4 seasons of good to great footy, we hopefully win some silverware and a kid eventually takes his place when he retires. Teams like Geelong and Hawks can't do this as they need to keep blooding young kids.

Realistically, who is going to retire over the next two years? Boyd, Moz, Bob. That's it. We're in the perfect position to make the move, just like GWS did with Heath Shaw.

I think Deledio playing 80% forward is good for 20 touches a game and 35 goals a year, that's not easy to find.
 

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I think we are in the very fortunate situation where we can top up with a Deledio and it has really no effect on our list in a few years. We have the core of our teams set up for a hopefully long period of sustained success. I don't think anyone else has this but GWS.

Deledio comes in, plays 3-4 seasons of good to great footy, we hopefully win some silverware and a kid eventually takes his place when he retires. Teams like Geelong and Hawks can't do this as they need to keep blooding young kids.

Realistically, who is going to retire over the next two years? Boyd, Moz, Bob. That's it. We're in the perfect position to make the move, just like GWS did with Heath Shaw.

I think Deledio playing 80% forward is good for 20 touches a game and 35 goals a year, that's not easy to find.
Our forwardline will be stacked next year - Crameri is coming back, Cloke is in, potentially Boyd plays more minutes there.
If we're after players a genuine burst mid would be the thing that elevates us.
 

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I think we are in the very fortunate situation where we can top up with a Deledio and it has really no effect on our list in a few years. We have the core of our teams set up for a hopefully long period of sustained success. I don't think anyone else has this but GWS.

Deledio comes in, plays 3-4 seasons of good to great footy, we hopefully win some silverware and a kid eventually takes his place when he retires. Teams like Geelong and Hawks can't do this as they need to keep blooding young kids.

Realistically, who is going to retire over the next two years? Boyd, Moz, Bob. That's it. We're in the perfect position to make the move, just like GWS did with Heath Shaw.

I think Deledio playing 80% forward is good for 20 touches a game and 35 goals a year, that's not easy to find.

Whats the angle for the deal to the tiges? What do we give up?
 

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Our forwardline will be stacked next year - Crameri is coming back, Cloke is in, potentially Boyd plays more minutes there.
If we're after players a genuine burst mid would be the thing that elevates us.
Lids could play anywhere which suits Bev. HB, wing or HF.

Elite foot skills is more of a need than burst mids IMO - and in any case Lids ain't slow.

Watch the GF again to see how much ball torching went on if there is any doubt on the need for a highly skilled
Player.

(Crameri and Cloke are both ball butchers by the way).
 

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Our forwardline will be stacked next year - Crameri is coming back, Cloke is in, potentially Boyd plays more minutes there.
If we're after players a genuine burst mid would be the thing that elevates us.
Most of the blokes are able to play genuine footy in other parts of the ground, though.

Boyd/Roughead in the ruck, Cordy should go down back, Suckling/JJ can do both, Stringer/Dunkley/Deledio/Bontempelli/Dahlhaus/Libba can go forward/mid. I'd say only Dickson and Cloke are limited. I expect Jake to be mostly a midfielder next year, so my team will probably be different to most.

Even if we go Stringer/Deledio 60/40 in the middle that's a massive weapon.
 

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Not sure the marginal improvement we get from Lids over our 22nd player (Mclean? Possibly someone different once Crammers/Cloke come in and Cordy moves to the backline to cover Hamling) is worth the amount he'd cost in cap & picks.

Unles we're trading for a blatant need (i.e. Tom Boyd) or a nothing trade / signing for a contributor (Biggs trade / Hamling signing) I'd rather give Dal as many cracks at the draft as possible.
 
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