Strategy Trade and List Management thread 2.(...the waiting for the hammer to fall edition)

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Cooney's summation of Motlop in the H-Sun this morning was spot on.

Oh, and genuine question. When has the delist and re-rookie move ever really worked?? Shouldn't we just cut Prudden altogether?
Kane Mitchell maybe, was still serviceable and played a fair few games for Port. But if I were leading our recruitment team, him and Hamilton would be gone and Jong would be too.

If Hamling goes, I'm wanting Brand.
 

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B: Biggs - Adams - Boyd
HB: Wood - Morris - JJ
C: Macrae - Bontempelli - Hunter
HF: Crameri - Cloke - Stringer
F: Deledio - Boyd - Dickson
R: Roughead - Liberatore - Dahlhaus

Murph, Suckling, Daniel, Picken, Dunkley, Smith, McLean, Roberts, Webb, Cordy, Williams, Smith.

That's just a very quick team. I've bolded players who I think can genuinely play their best footy in multiple positions. I think that (along with kicking inside 50) is Deledio's big strength, I also think that's our biggest strength as a team.
 

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Not sure the marginal improvement we get from Lids over our 22nd player (Mclean? Possibly someone different once Crammers/Cloke come in and Cordy moves to the backline to cover Hamling) is worth the amount he'd cost in cap & picks.

Unles we're trading for a blatant need (i.e. Tom Boyd) or a nothing trade / signing for a contributor (Biggs trade / Hamling signing) I'd rather give Dal as many cracks at the draft as possible.
I might be alone but I think Deledio is a fair upgrade on McLean. He'd be in our top 10 players IMO. I just think he compliments us perfectly.
 

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Carlton have the upper hand in this instance so I can understand why SOS is going hard. But I agree that its highly unlikely that Cameron would leave Adelaide.
Should be targeting the McGovernator. Really need a decent forward and an inside mid. Adelaide have very few inside mids, so get the forward d you need.
 

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The hand-wringing over Hamling is getting a bit over the top. Good player but much like Jong not one worth overpaying for.
Does anyone honestly think a team able to fit the salary of Hurley under their cap can't afford to match Fremantle's offer? This has nothing to do with who we've signed back up and everything to do with getting value out of our contracts.
 

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I might be alone but I think Deledio is a fair upgrade on McLean. He'd be in our top 10 players IMO. I just think he compliments us perfectly.
For argument's sake, yes Deledio was superior in 2016 - but how much will the gap close in 2017?
He's a 29 year old against a 20 year old in his second season.

For shits and giggles:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d2=8&type=A&pid1=1484&pid2=4057&fid1=S&fid2=S

Deledio is superior but not by as much as you'd expect, and we have to factor in the opportunity cost as well which for me is the sticking point.
Additionally, we're already losing players due to senior opportunity - I'd hate to lose Mclean as well.
 

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B: Biggs - Adams - Boyd
HB: Wood - Morris - JJ
C: Macrae - Bontempelli - Hunter
HF: Crameri - Cloke - Stringer
F: Deledio - Boyd - Dickson
R: Roughead - Liberatore - Dahlhaus

Murph, Suckling, Daniel, Picken, Dunkley, Smith, McLean, Roberts, Webb, Cordy, Williams, Smith.

That's just a very quick team. I've bolded players who I think can genuinely play their best footy in multiple positions. I think that (along with kicking inside 50) is Deledio's big strength, I also think that's our biggest strength as a team.
Where's Jong???:eek: Doesn't make your top 30:fire:

People are going to have fun predicting teams next year. Such an even list.

If you ranked on ball use - Lids beats nearly everyone bar Murphy and Daniel IMO. It's why he could be very good for us IMO.

Would not be surprised if we are having a sniff. Same goes with Motlop.
 

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I might be alone but I think Deledio is a fair upgrade on McLean. He'd be in our top 10 players IMO. I just think he compliments us perfectly.
I think he's 30 and injury prone (not a great combination). Hard to be in anyone's top 10 sitting on the sidelines.
 
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And how many of the players who played in the GF were from aggressive trades other than T. Boyd?

The media and supporters get sucked in to the trade period, yet reality is a very small percentage of player trades make a significant difference to success. The Hawks traded little for Lake and Frawley was a free agent. Other than Burgoyne their dynasty was built. Other than Ottens Geelong's Dynasty was built. Surprisingly as was Sydneys.

Our list has a large upside. Adams, Collins and Cordy all can replace Hamling if he goes. We will still trade some depth then regenerate with quality drafting, which not surprisingly got us the flag this year.
Agree and there is also these myths created about clubs like the Hawks who apparently have never made a trading mistake Jono Roarke would be just one off the top of my head.
Quite relaxed to leave our gurus at the club to work out they have done alright by us so far.
 

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Should be targeting the McGovernator. Really need a decent forward and an inside mid. Adelaide have very few inside mids, so get the forward d you need.
Personally, I reckon Carlton should just take 13 and use that to get a better player from Geelong in any potential Tuohy trade. But that's not really something that's relevant to this board :D
 

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I might be alone but I think Deledio is a fair upgrade on McLean. He'd be in our top 10 players IMO. I just think he compliments us perfectly.
I think you are alone on this one! McLean is improving consistently and will be a very dangerous forward, even mid option, going forward. Deledio's best football is behind him and the comparison does make much sense IMO.
 

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Why wait a year for him to probably go to Geelong? Get a kid in. Unless he says he's not leaving this year or next.
The geelong angle for deledio doesn't work for me.

They don't seem to want to give up caddy and have no first.

Richmond dont seem to be keen on motlop.
 
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I think he's 30 and injury prone (not a great combination). Hard to be in anyone's top 10 sitting on the sidelines.
I just re watched the Hawks game last night and Maclean gets better the more closely you watch him. Yes the occasionally he drops his knees but when he does it is always in heavy traffic and for someone of his build and age to put his body on the line is impressive. His hands are elite, he can mark better than someone his size should and is a quick thinker.
 

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I think you are alone on this one! McLean is improving consistently and will be a very dangerous forward, even mid option, going forward. Deledio's best football is behind him and the comparison does make much sense IMO.
No he is not alone. McLean not yet qualified to clean Lids shoes as a footy player IMO.

Key rider for Lids is fitness. Specifically an Achilles. If he is over it - go for it.

Would make a massive improvement to the team. Salivating at the thought of Murphy and Lids delivering the ball to our fwds. Would instantly make our fwds much better players.
 

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I think he's 30 and injury prone (not a great combination). Hard to be in anyone's top 10 sitting on the sidelines.
We did just win a cup with probably the most injury prone team in history. All that's gotta happen is for them to be reasonably fit at the right time and you're in with a red hot chance.

Deledio is still a stud player.
 

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I just re watched the Hawks game last night and Maclean gets better the more closely you watch him. Yes the occasionally he drops his knees but when he does it is always in heavy traffic and for someone of his build and age to put his body on the line is impressive. His hands are elite, he can mark better than someone his size should and is a quick thinker.
He's going to be a special player. I'm talking a 25 touch, 1 goal sort of player. He just moves so well and has terrific game sense and awareness. In the top handful at the club in terms of being a natural footballer.
 
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No he is not alone. McLean not yet qualified to clean Lids shoes as a footy player IMO.

Key rider for Lids is fitness. Specifically an Achilles. If he is over it - go for it.

Would make a massive improvement to the team. Salivating at the thought of Murphy and Lids delivering the ball to our fwds. Would instantly make our fwds much better players.
Happy to get lids but not for Maclean too much potential upside with him
 

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No he is not alone. McLean not yet qualified to clean Lids shoes as a footy player IMO.

Key rider for Lids is fitness. Specifically an Achilles. If he is over it - go for it.

Would make a massive improvement to the team. Salivating at the thought of Murphy and Lids delivering the ball to our fwds. Would instantly make our fwds much better players.
There's no doubt that Deledio would be a welcome addition to any team but I don't get why McLean's name has to come up as some type of comparative. Deledio these days is a creative half-back or part time mid, both of which we have loads of. McLean plays an entirely different role and we don't have many in that category. I hope that it is not a suggestion from you or Pogba that we should entertain a trade for Deledio using McLean. If so, I would not have a bar of it.
 

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No way would I trade McLean for an oldie like Lids.

But Lids at his best is AA silk. He made AA last year IRRC. If fit, P18 would be ok by me.
I just don't agree. He would be an upgrade on McLean (a slight one in my view based on his expected improvement), and certainly not at the cost of pick 18 and one year less development.
 

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I just don't agree. He would be an upgrade on McLean (a slight one in my view based on his expected improvement), and certainly not at the cost of pick 18 and one year less development.
And I said the the exact same thing as you prior to winning a flag.

Doing a cream trade for a player like Lids now though I would be fine with.

But not devastated if we don't either.
 

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This isn't just Jong

Resigning Campbell is moronic if we are bringing Cloke in. He will now be 5th in line.

So to keep a 3rd string average at best ruckman an lose a Kpb makes no sense to me.

And Jong for a 2nd rounder was a no brainer.
Yeah mate, maybe if we had people like you in charge we'd be able to actually win something... oh wait

Ffs people still listen to this trash
 
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