Strategy Trade and List Management thread 2.(...the waiting for the hammer to fall edition)

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I still think Eric McKenzie needs to be priority number one. He won't get a game over Barras and McGov, he's exactly what our back six needs. Someone to take the big boys.
 

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I still think Eric McKenzie needs to be priority number one. He won't get a game over Barras and McGov, he's exactly what our back six needs. Someone to take the big boys.
He's only 28, too. Could have a few years of solid footy let in him while the club can develop its young talls (moreso if Cloke is traded for too).
 

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This is what I understand with my "sources"

Our desire for a KPD isn't as strong as people on this board, think, largely because we're bullish about Collins contributing next year, still see Cordy as a KPD, and obviously rate Roberts higher than many on this board do. Hamling's good recent form helps as well. Hurley was targeted moreso as an obtainable AA-quality player as opposed to filling a need for a KPD.

Honeychurch is going to get traded if he's happy to leave despite having a year left on his contract, there's a surprisingly high amount of interest for him from other clubs and we obviously hardly have a spot for him in our best 22 with everyone injured.

The only thing stopping Cloke trade from happening is the extent of how much Collingwood pay his salary. We're not willing to pay anything more than what we would otherwise for a DFA or similar (so say 150k p/y) so Pies will have to pay the 300k or whatever for the rest of his contract next year. We might pivot around that by giving the Pies slightly overs in the trade (a higher pick, or not as much in return if something like Jong does leave). I'd say it's 70/30 that Cloke is in Dogs colours next year (not that I want him but that's what I've heard).

Jong's likely to stay if we change up our negotiations and offer him a 3rd year, which we might do after re-assessing his form in recent weeks, but he's about 30/70 to stay/leave. Collingwood most likely but there's a few others interested.

Whether or not Campbell stays is a matter of whether we get the other fringe ruckmen we're targeting - Nankervis etc. The club sees Roughy/Boyd as the ruck duo for next year onwards at least, and it's not to say that they don't rate Campbell, it's just they think the difference in another fringe ruck for backup between Campbell/Nankervis is smaller than the difference in draft picks/salary cap room. Campbell is considered good backup who can play forward or ruck but unlikely to force his way back into the team.

Stevens is outta here. Demanding obscene amount of money that some team who strikes out with other targets might just suck it up and offer him. We'll trade him cheaply.

Hrovat we've got a cheapish offer on the table, it's just a matter of whether he wants to stay and force his way into the team or earn a bit more game time and money elsewhere. I reckon he'll stay.

Hamling will stay.

Not sure on Boyd.
 

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This is what I understand with my "sources"

Our desire for a KPD isn't as strong as people on this board, think, largely because we're bullish about Collins contributing next year, still see Cordy as a KPD, and obviously rate Roberts higher than many on this board do. Hamling's good recent form helps as well. Hurley was targeted moreso as an obtainable AA-quality player as opposed to filling a need for a KPD.

Honeychurch is going to get traded if he's happy to leave despite having a year left on his contract, there's a surprisingly high amount of interest for him from other clubs and we obviously hardly have a spot for him in our best 22 with everyone injured.

The only thing stopping Cloke trade from happening is the extent of how much Collingwood pay his salary. We're not willing to pay anything more than what we would otherwise for a DFA or similar (so say 150k p/y) so Pies will have to pay the 300k or whatever for the rest of his contract next year. We might pivot around that by giving the Pies slightly overs in the trade (a higher pick, or not as much in return if something like Jong does leave). I'd say it's 70/30 that Cloke is in Dogs colours next year (not that I want him but that's what I've heard).

Jong's likely to stay if we change up our negotiations and offer him a 3rd year, which we might do after re-assessing his form in recent weeks, but he's about 30/70 to stay/leave. Collingwood most likely but there's a few others interested.

Whether or not Campbell stays is a matter of whether we get the other fringe ruckmen we're targeting - Nankervis etc. The club sees Roughy/Boyd as the ruck duo for next year onwards at least, and it's not to say that they don't rate Campbell, it's just they think the difference in another fringe ruck for backup between Campbell/Nankervis is smaller than the difference in draft picks/salary cap room. Campbell is considered good backup who can play forward or ruck but unlikely to force his way back into the team.

Stevens is outta here. Demanding obscene amount of money that some team who strikes out with other targets might just suck it up and offer him. We'll trade him cheaply.

Hrovat we've got a cheapish offer on the table, it's just a matter of whether he wants to stay and force his way into the team or earn a bit more game time and money elsewhere. I reckon he'll stay.

Hamling will stay.

Not sure on Boyd.
Legend. Can't remember the last time it was so murky so late in the year.
 

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Whether or not Campbell stays is a matter of whether we get the other fringe ruckmen we're targeting - Nankervis etc. The club sees Roughy/Boyd as the ruck duo for next year onwards at least, and it's not to say that they don't rate Campbell, it's just they think the difference in another fringe ruck for backup between Campbell/Nankervis is smaller than the difference in draft picks/salary cap room. Campbell is considered good backup who can play forward or ruck but unlikely to force his way back into the team.
Not shooting the messenger here but this just seems absolutely crazy to me. We've played most of our best footy this year with TC in the side. I don't have any confidence at all in having Roughy as the only designated ruck in the side for any extended period of time. I belive it would be better for both Roughy and the team, to have another ruck in the 22 and TC has shown more than enough to lock down that role.
 
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This is what I understand with my "sources"

Our desire for a KPD isn't as strong as people on this board, think, largely because we're bullish about Collins contributing next year, still see Cordy as a KPD, and obviously rate Roberts higher than many on this board do. Hamling's good recent form helps as well. Hurley was targeted moreso as an obtainable AA-quality player as opposed to filling a need for a KPD.

Honeychurch is going to get traded if he's happy to leave despite having a year left on his contract, there's a surprisingly high amount of interest for him from other clubs and we obviously hardly have a spot for him in our best 22 with everyone injured.

The only thing stopping Cloke trade from happening is the extent of how much Collingwood pay his salary. We're not willing to pay anything more than what we would otherwise for a DFA or similar (so say 150k p/y) so Pies will have to pay the 300k or whatever for the rest of his contract next year. We might pivot around that by giving the Pies slightly overs in the trade (a higher pick, or not as much in return if something like Jong does leave). I'd say it's 70/30 that Cloke is in Dogs colours next year (not that I want him but that's what I've heard).

Jong's likely to stay if we change up our negotiations and offer him a 3rd year, which we might do after re-assessing his form in recent weeks, but he's about 30/70 to stay/leave. Collingwood most likely but there's a few others interested.

Whether or not Campbell stays is a matter of whether we get the other fringe ruckmen we're targeting - Nankervis etc. The club sees Roughy/Boyd as the ruck duo for next year onwards at least, and it's not to say that they don't rate Campbell, it's just they think the difference in another fringe ruck for backup between Campbell/Nankervis is smaller than the difference in draft picks/salary cap room. Campbell is considered good backup who can play forward or ruck but unlikely to force his way back into the team.

Stevens is outta here. Demanding obscene amount of money that some team who strikes out with other targets might just suck it up and offer him. We'll trade him cheaply.

Hrovat we've got a cheapish offer on the table, it's just a matter of whether he wants to stay and force his way into the team or earn a bit more game time and money elsewhere. I reckon he'll stay.

Hamling will stay.

Not sure on Boyd.
I cant accept for one minute that the club see Boyd (along with Roughy) the "main" rucks for next year and going forward.
I can accept that Boyd be played in the ruck this year as part of his development to build his tank and also learn to use his body and strength.

But surely next year is one whereby if we can introduce another ruckman to the fold, Boyd plays a role similar to that of Tom Lynch. His time is close to show improvement in this role (FFWD). Especially with an uninterrupted pre season.

Our challenge this off season is to start 2017 with a far more potent attack as well as a game plan that supports it. We have become far too defensive focused this year and have not improved at all in our efforts during the year to rectify it (Bev has often stated that we are working on it).
I see Boyd as pivotal to this improved game plan / forward line next year.
 

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How does trading for other teams rookies work?
Works the same as for main list players, except the rookie traded has to go onto a main list (ie you can't be traded onto a rookie list). Happened with Will Sierakowski in 2011 - traded from Hawthorn's rookie list onto North's main list.
 

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Works the same as for main list players, except the rookie traded has to go onto a main list (ie you can't be traded onto a rookie list). Happened with Will Sierakowski in 2011 - traded from Hawthorn's rookie list onto North's main list.
Or shane biggs
 

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I cant accept for one minute that the club see Boyd (along with Roughy) the "main" rucks for next year and going forward.
I can accept that Boyd be played in the ruck this year as part of his development to build his tank and also learn to use his body and strength.

But surely next year is one whereby if we can introduce another ruckman to the fold, Boyd plays a role similar to that of Tom Lynch. His time is close to show improvement in this role (FFWD). Especially with an uninterrupted pre season.

Our challenge this off season is to start 2017 with a far more potent attack as well as a game plan that supports it. We have become far too defensive focused this year and have not improved at all in our efforts during the year to rectify it (Bev has often stated that we are working on it).
I see Boyd as pivotal to this improved game plan / forward line next year.
We saw on the weekend how far off we are with Minson and Boyd in tandem. Losing Minson (retire / delist FA) next year and Campbell becomes fairly important I would think.

Already we are in need to replace Monson and probably add a younger developing ruck, ie replacing Goetz
 

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Whether or not Campbell stays is a matter of whether we get the other fringe ruckmen we're targeting - Nankervis etc. The club sees Roughy/Boyd as the ruck duo for next year onwards at least, and it's not to say that they don't rate Campbell, it's just they think the difference in another fringe ruck for backup between Campbell/Nankervis is smaller than the difference in draft picks/salary cap room. Campbell is considered good backup who can play forward or ruck but unlikely to force his way back into the team.
Not doubting your source, but this seriously scares me.
Roughy and Boyd don't strike me as the durable types and we'd gamble on just one other ruck being fit?
Campbell was universally the first choice ruck just prior to round 1 this season until injury struck.
 

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I cant accept for one minute that the club see Boyd (along with Roughy) the "main" rucks for next year and going forward.
I can accept that Boyd be played in the ruck this year as part of his development to build his tank and also learn to use his body and strength.

But surely next year is one whereby if we can introduce another ruckman to the fold, Boyd plays a role similar to that of Tom Lynch. His time is close to show improvement in this role (FFWD). Especially with an uninterrupted pre season.

Our challenge this off season is to start 2017 with a far more potent attack as well as a game plan that supports it. We have become far too defensive focused this year and have not improved at all in our efforts during the year to rectify it (Bev has often stated that we are working on it).
I see Boyd as pivotal to this improved game plan / forward line next year.

Totally agree. Don't see Hawkins in the Ruck at Geelong, or Tex at Adelaide, Buddy at Sydney, Kennedy at West Coast, Cameron at GWS.

However, if he's to be developed as a Dean Cox clone then we need a FF.
 

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Not doubting your source, but this seriously scares me.
Roughy and Boyd don't strike me as the durable types and we'd gamble on just one other ruck being fit?
Campbell was universally the first choice ruck just prior to round 1 this season until injury struck.
Doesn't shock me. BTC is unsigned and may not be mobile enough.

Boyd is simply not a good enough contested mark to play fwd permanently and too slow to play fwd with say Cloke and another resting ruck.

Boyd actually looks ok as a follower - moves well in traffic and handballs well...we're paying a tad overs if that is his future though...
 

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Boyd rarely gets outmarked though

Always brings it to ground

Him clunking them consistently is the next step in his development
His marking iq is improving. Yesterday when he knew he wouldny mark the ball tried to punch it to grass near our goals the same play he did which got hunter a goal last week
 

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to be honest, Roughy is in the bottom bunch of worst #1 rucks. Our mids would go to another level with a decent ruck.

the amount of times i see 3rd and 4th man ups and the ball goes no where near our players is so bloody frustrating. If we had a decent ruck maybe we could leave a few small/mid forwards in the forward line and not up the ground
 

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His marking iq is improving. Yesterday when he knew he wouldny mark the ball tried to punch it to grass near our goals the same play he did which got hunter a goal last week
He had the marking power as a kid

You don't lose it overnight. It will come in good time against better opposition
 

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Not doubting your source, but this seriously scares me.
Roughy and Boyd don't strike me as the durable types and we'd gamble on just one other ruck being fit?
Campbell was universally the first choice ruck just prior to round 1 this season until injury struck.
And Campbell is durable? The guy continually gets phantom injuries that rule him out for months.
If we can obtain a durable workhorse type at his expense I'd be okay with it.
 

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What sort of money would Minson be earning, seeing as his last contract was signed when he was AA?

If we aren't going for a KPD then I hope we are loading up to go for Breust next year..

Adds some smarts & firepower to the forward line, yes please.
 
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